Rantbox

Tealy · Post by **Tealy** » 05 Dec 2010, 10:22

Wizzie wrote:Why is Australia not the season opener?

So we can get the worst race out of the way before the real season starts?

Seriously though yeah it's oil money. The Bahrain GP organisers pay Bernie's exorbitant fee to have their GP appear first. Abu Dhabi have done it last year and this to be the season finale but they've stopped paying it now and its back at Brazil for 2011.

Post by **mario** » 05 Dec 2010, 17:09

Wizzie wrote:Why is Australia not the season opener?

Simple - all you need to know is what Bernie spends most of the day dreaming about:

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 05 Dec 2010, 20:45

Wizzie wrote:Why is Australia not the season opener?

Another good question is why is Japan 5th last in 2011?

tristan1117 · Post by **tristan1117** » 06 Dec 2010, 01:11

Why do they keep decreasing the engine sizes in F1?

http://www.planetf1.com/news/18227/6553 ... es-in-2013

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 06 Dec 2010, 02:24

mario wrote:
Wizzie wrote:Why is Australia not the season opener?

Simple - all you need to know is what Bernie spends most of the day dreaming about:

Or more alternatively...

JohnMLTX · Post by **JohnMLTX** » 06 Dec 2010, 04:20

The new guys were getting mad because their xtrac components kept taking them out of races.
xtrac was mad because the new teams weren't completing full race distances to collect data.

:?:

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 06 Dec 2010, 13:05

Mark Webber seems to be the new Jean Alesi, pretty much everyone likes him. And we all know that everyone, and I mean everyone, loved Jean Alesi.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 06 Dec 2010, 22:09

redbulljack14 wrote:Mark Webber seems to be the new Jean Alesi, pretty much everyone likes him. And we all know that everyone, and I mean everyone, loved Jean Alesi.

I don't like Jean Alesi...

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 06 Dec 2010, 22:21

JeremyMcClean wrote:I don't like Jean Alesi...

Don't come back to this forum ever again.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 07 Dec 2010, 20:40

[Ponderbox spin-off]

Jim Clark is the greatest racing driver of all time hands down. Ayrton Senna does not deserve to even be considered for such acclaim because of his on-track antics.

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 07 Dec 2010, 20:52

kostas22 wrote:Ayrton Senna does not deserve to even be considered for such acclaim because of his on-track antics.

I don't know if it makes you happy or not, but I agree with you.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 07 Dec 2010, 21:16

Klon wrote:
kostas22 wrote:Ayrton Senna does not deserve to even be considered for such acclaim because of his on-track antics.

I don't know if it makes you happy or not, but I agree with you.

I have often been afraid to express that opinion but have to agree with it. It is why I hold Alain Prost in higher regard.

thehemogoblin · Post by **thehemogoblin** » 07 Dec 2010, 21:50

kostas22 wrote:[Ponderbox spin-off]

Jim Clark is the greatest racing driver of all time hands down. Ayrton Senna does not deserve to even be considered for such acclaim because of his on-track antics.

Talent trumps personality.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 07 Dec 2010, 22:18

kostas22 wrote:[Ponderbox spin-off]

Jim Clark is the greatest racing driver of all time hands down. Ayrton Senna does not deserve to even be considered for such acclaim because of his on-track antics.

+1

It's one thing to push your car to, and possibly beyond, it's limit - it's another to push a rival's car off the road. You can respect Ayrton Senna for that 'win at all costs' mentality, but stooping to such levels is what puts him behind Jim Clark in my book. That, and I believe Jim Clark was more naturally talented anyway - the problem was that his Lotus was always very fragile.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 07 Dec 2010, 22:48

What is Glock doing wasting his time at Virgin? If I was Ferrari, I would snap him up and give Massa the boot.

F1000X · Post by **F1000X** » 08 Dec 2010, 20:11

thehemogoblin wrote: Talent trumps personality.

+1

watka · Post by **watka** » 08 Dec 2010, 21:02

redbulljack14 wrote:What is Glock doing wasting his time at Virgin? If I was Ferrari, I would snap him up and give Massa the boot.

Doesn't really matter who's in Ferrari #2 now, it's Alonso's team. They may as well bring in Nelsinho.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 08 Dec 2010, 21:41

If Lotus Racing was named something else, they would have been gone by now.

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 08 Dec 2010, 21:43

Jim Clark got his ass whooped on an asphalt track by A.J. Foyt in a dirt car which should never have been competitive. Foyt had a problem in the pits I believe and therefore didn't win the race.

Clark and Senna wouldn't be regarded as highly as they are if both hadn't been killed.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 08 Dec 2010, 22:03

Cynon wrote:Jim Clark got his ass whooped on an asphalt track by A.J. Foyt in a dirt car which should never have been competitive. Foyt had a problem in the pits I believe and therefore didn't win the race.

Clark and Senna wouldn't be regarded as highly as they are if both hadn't been killed.

Takuma Sato also passed Fernando Alonso once. In a Super Aguri. One race does not a career make.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 08 Dec 2010, 22:57

watka wrote:
redbulljack14 wrote:What is Glock doing wasting his time at Virgin? If I was Ferrari, I would snap him up and give Massa the boot.

Doesn't really matter who's in Ferrari #2 now, it's Alonso's team. They may as well bring in Nelsinho.

I know that, but I'm just stating that Glock deserves to be in a good team.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 08 Dec 2010, 23:05

Telling Colin Kolles to go home was so Summer 2010, everyone tells Proton to go home now.

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 08 Dec 2010, 23:24

redbulljack14 wrote:Telling Colin Kolles to go home was so Summer 2010, everyone tells Proton to go home now.

I say we switch it to Go Home Danny Bahar!

DonTirri · Post by **DonTirri** » 09 Dec 2010, 09:30

Cynon wrote:Jim Clark got his ass whooped on an asphalt track by A.J. Foyt in a dirt car which should never have been competitive. Foyt had a problem in the pits I believe and therefore didn't win the race.

Clark and Senna wouldn't be regarded as highly as they are if both hadn't been killed.

Luckily you are American and thus any opinions you have at motor racing are totally irrelevant.

thehemogoblin · Post by **thehemogoblin** » 09 Dec 2010, 10:33

DonTirri wrote:
Cynon wrote:Jim Clark got his ass whooped on an asphalt track by A.J. Foyt in a dirt car which should never have been competitive. Foyt had a problem in the pits I believe and therefore didn't win the race.

Clark and Senna wouldn't be regarded as highly as they are if both hadn't been killed.

Luckily you are American and thus any opinions you have at motor racing are totally irrelevant.

I object.

F1000X · Post by **F1000X** » 09 Dec 2010, 12:21

DonTirri wrote: Luckily you are American and thus any opinions you have at motor racing are totally irrelevant.

U MAD

fjackdaw · Post by **fjackdaw** » 09 Dec 2010, 12:28

Cynon wrote:Jim Clark got his ass whooped on an asphalt track by A.J. Foyt in a dirt car which should never have been competitive. Foyt had a problem in the pits I believe and therefore didn't win the race.

Clark and Senna wouldn't be regarded as highly as they are if both hadn't been killed.

They were both highly regarded while they were alive. Similarly, you could point to incidents where a 'minor' driver has passed the still-very-much-alive Schumacher, but he's still generally regarded as one of the all-time greats.

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 09 Dec 2010, 16:57

fjackdaw wrote:
Cynon wrote:Jim Clark got his ass whooped on an asphalt track by A.J. Foyt in a dirt car which should never have been competitive. Foyt had a problem in the pits I believe and therefore didn't win the race.

Clark and Senna wouldn't be regarded as highly as they are if both hadn't been killed.

They were both highly regarded while they were alive. Similarly, you could point to incidents where a 'minor' driver has passed the still-very-much-alive Schumacher, but he's still generally regarded as one of the all-time greats.

You mean Schumacher isn't a robot? Damn, there goes my argument...

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
Cynon wrote:Jim Clark got his ass whooped on an asphalt track by A.J. Foyt in a dirt car which should never have been competitive. Foyt had a problem in the pits I believe and therefore didn't win the race.

Clark and Senna wouldn't be regarded as highly as they are if both hadn't been killed.

Takuma Sato also passed Fernando Alonso once. In a Super Aguri. One race does not a career make.

Stephane Sarrazin might disagree with that statement. Point taken, but Clark was not a better driver than A.J. Foyt or Mario Andretti.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 09 Dec 2010, 17:21

JeremyMcClean wrote:If Lotus Racing was named something else, they would have been gone by now.

I object. My evidence? HRT. They weren't called Lotus and are in deeper poop and yet have still survived... So far. But long enough to refute your point, I think. And they are changing their name anyway. To Team Lotus.

DonTirri · Post by **DonTirri** » 09 Dec 2010, 18:54

thehemogoblin wrote:
DonTirri wrote:
Cynon wrote:Jim Clark got his ass whooped on an asphalt track by A.J. Foyt in a dirt car which should never have been competitive. Foyt had a problem in the pits I believe and therefore didn't win the race.

Clark and Senna wouldn't be regarded as highly as they are if both hadn't been killed.

Luckily you are American and thus any opinions you have at motor racing are totally irrelevant.

I object.

Anyone who even considers ranking people like Clark and Senna even on the same category as people who spend the better part of their lives just turning left is either A) An idiot or B) American (With rare cases of C) Both of the above)

watka · Post by **watka** » 09 Dec 2010, 20:03

DonTirri wrote:Anyone who even considers ranking people like Clark and Senna even on the same category as people who spend the better part of their lives just turning left is either A) An idiot or B) American (With rare cases of C) Both of the above)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkmEZs_Kcms

Sorry.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 09 Dec 2010, 20:35

watka wrote:
DonTirri wrote:Anyone who even considers ranking people like Clark and Senna even on the same category as people who spend the better part of their lives just turning left is either A) An idiot or B) American (With rare cases of C) Both of the above)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkmEZs_Kcms

Sorry.

Someone had to post it.

Myrvold · Post by **Myrvold** » 09 Dec 2010, 20:51

Haha, The last page have been fantastic :lol:

Oh well, some ranting...

I bathplug hate the damn shitty politics that seems to ruin F1 these days... I know there have always been politics in it, but many races are boring, and then topped by some stupid decisions, I want to watch a good race, and a fantastic season without having to think about politics, the way this is heading you need to have a degree in law and justice, and then work as a politic person for 10-15 years before you can get a grip on this, once so fantastic sport. (Or you can do like me, use all the spare time to be a F1-geek).The thing that made it is the idiotic malaysians in Proton and Danny Bahar(from a country as well?), I'm fed up, I want the good old Team Lotus back, and then I want a team in Renaults place, that's it, not any new Lotus without money, or anything, I don't care if it is a brand new team or they revive Cooper og BRM, I don't care, just please, give us a season of GOOD racing, much overtaking, exitement and NO freaking politics to make everything sour.

Pweeew, good to get it out of the system!

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 09 Dec 2010, 22:01

Cynon wrote:
BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
Cynon wrote:Jim Clark got his ass whooped on an asphalt track by A.J. Foyt in a dirt car which should never have been competitive. Foyt had a problem in the pits I believe and therefore didn't win the race.

Clark and Senna wouldn't be regarded as highly as they are if both hadn't been killed.

Takuma Sato also passed Fernando Alonso once. In a Super Aguri. One race does not a career make.

Stephane Sarrazin might disagree with that statement. Point taken, but Clark was not a better driver than A.J. Foyt or Mario Andretti.

That's your opinion. Personally, I think Jim Clark is better than AJ Foyt and Mario Andretti - all 3 have success in multiple types of racing, but I think Clark's achievements were simply more impressive. He could conceivably win in anything, from BTCC, to F1, to the Indy 500, and also would've won the 1966 Rally of Great Britain had he not crashed.

Ferrim · Post by **Ferrim** » 09 Dec 2010, 22:49

Go home, Dany Bahar.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 10 Dec 2010, 01:10

So, I agree that stupid politics are making us discuss if Jim Clark is better than A.J. Foyt or Mario Andretti and thus depriving us of driving great, exciting races in the States.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 10 Dec 2010, 01:11

Now seriously, this is what I think of the subject...
1-Jim Clark

2-Mario Andretti

3-A.J. Foyt

There.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 10 Dec 2010, 05:23

I've just gone to the first page and I found this:

CarlosFerreira wrote:- I wish Rosberg goes into Brawn and shows the world how useless Button is.

Well he did show just how useless a certain M. Schumacher is... :lol:

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 10 Dec 2010, 15:15

Wizzie wrote:I've just gone to the first page and I found this:
CarlosFerreira wrote:- I wish Rosberg goes into Brawn and shows the world how useless Button is.

Well he did show just how useless a certain M. Schumacher is...

And Button isn't useless

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 18 Dec 2010, 20:54

More than a year has passed, but it still feels like saying "Jenson Button - Formula 1 Driver's World Champion" is insulting to everyone who was this before him and everyone who will be this in the years to come. He's like the David Arquette of motorsport.