Create your ideal 18-race calendar

[Jeroen Krautmeir]

Here we go!

Australia- Albert Park, Melbourne
Malaysia- Sepang, Kuala Lumpur
China- Shanghai, Shanghai
Brazil- Interlagos, Sao Paulo
Argentina- Autódromo Oscar Alfredo Gálvez, Buenos Aires
Netherlands- Zandvoort, Zandvoort
Belgium- Spa-Francorchamps, Spa
Spain- Jerez, Jerez
Monaco- Monte Carlo, Monte Carlo
Austria- A1-Ring, Spielberg
Germany- Hockenheimring, Hockenheim (pre 2002 layout)
France- Paul Ricard, Castellet
Italy- Monza, Monza
United Kingdom- Silverstone, Silverstone
Canada- Circuit Gilles Villeneuve, Montreal
United States- Watkins Glen, New York
South Africa- Kyalami, Midrand
Japan- Suzuka, Suzuka

[FullMetalJack]

I'd also add the Fictional Grand Prix, the Gran Turismo 1 layout for Special Stage Route 11, what an amazing track that was.

[bighaydo]

I'm seeing the Australian race go to a few venues here: Mt Panorama, Albert Park, Adelaide... great circuits all.

Would anyone vouch for an F1 twilight/night race at Surfer's Paradise? I went to a couple of Indy races there and the party scene is electric.. sure the circuit is a goat track, but this would be an awesome venue for an end of year party...

[RAK]

1. Red Bull Vegas Grand Prix --> streets of Las Vegas (former Champ Car layout)
2.Gran Premio Tecate --> Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez (Mexico)
3. Grand Prix of Argentina --> Circuito de Potrero de los Funes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potrero_de_los_Funes_Circuit)
[this track is more modern and has many more passing opportunities than Juan y Oscar Galvez]
4. Brazilian Grand Prix --> Interlagos
5. South African Grand Prix --> streets of Durban (A1 GP layout)
[this street circuit has two different layouts that could alternate each year. It would provide more exciting racing than Kyalami]
6. Macau Grand Prix --> Guia Circuit (Although it is tight, it would provide some exciting racing/scenery)
7. Malaysian Grand Prix --> Sepang
8. Grand Prix of China --> Either Shanghai or a street race in Beijing.
9. Japanese Grand Prix --> Suzuka
10. Australian Grand Prix --> Adelaide (alternate night and day each year)
11. British Grand Prix --> Either Silverstone or a street race in London. [the Need for Speed layout would be nice]
12. Portuguese Grand Prix --> Autódromo Internacional do Algarve
13. Grand Prix of France --> Paul Ricard (would be nice to see Le Mans make an appearance as well)
14. Belgium Grand Prix --> Spa
15. Spanish Grand Prix --> Valencia street race (night race)
16. Italian Grand Prix --> Alternate between Monza and a street race in Rome
17. Grand Prix of Monaco --> Monte Carlo
18. United States Grand Prix --> Indianapolis Motor Speedway (road course)
[Americans LOVE the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, if F1 returned they would see very large crowds]
19. Canadian Grand Prix --> Gilles Villeneuve
20. Singapore Grand Prix --> street circuit (night race)
21. Abu Dhabi Grand Prix --> Yas Marina Circuit

Too many street races, and too many on the calendar as it is already. They don't give good racing - they're challenging, but not televisually friendly.

[RejectSteve]

Fairly balanced, I think you can all agree...

Sounds like a calender for the BTCC championship

The new Aurora AFX Championship?

I'd also add the Fictional Grand Prix, the Gran Turismo 1 layout for Special Stage Route 11, what an amazing track that was.

Yes, sir!

[rdbextreme]

I'm seeing the Australian race go to a few venues here: Mt Panorama, Albert Park, Adelaide... great circuits all.

Would anyone vouch for an F1 twilight/night race at Surfer's Paradise? I went to a couple of Indy races there and the party scene is electric.. sure the circuit is a goat track, but this would be an awesome venue for an end of year party...

I LOVE Surfers Paradise. IndyCar/ChampCar races were so fun to see there. It's quite the picturesque circuit. It was hard for me to choose whether or not to put that one in instead of Adelaide. I ultimately didn't choose it though, b/c the track is too narrow, and lacks much excitement other than waiting for someone to crash. If they would put together another layout around the same area, with fewer chicanes in the straights and wider areas to pass it would be unstoppable as the best circuit in Australia.

[Captain Hammer]

Would anyone vouch for an F1 twilight/night race at Surfer's Paradise? I went to a couple of Indy races there and the party scene is electric.. sure the circuit is a goat track, but this would be an awesome venue for an end of year party...

In that case ... no. Not a chance. Racing should come first.

[FullMetalJack]

I'd also add the Fictional Grand Prix, the Gran Turismo 1 layout for Special Stage Route 11, what an amazing track that was.

Yes, sir!

Thank you, the Gran Turismo 3 layout wasn't as good I don't think. At least it's going to be on GT5.

[RAK]

I'd also add the Fictional Grand Prix, the Gran Turismo 1 layout for Special Stage Route 11, what an amazing track that was.

Yes, sir!

Thank you, the Gran Turismo 3 layout wasn't as good I don't think. At least it's going to be on GT5.

Damn, I remember the effort I had to go through in order to get the International A licence in the original Gran Turismo, largely held back by that track. So many places to screw up...

[DemocalypseNow]

If fictional tracks are allowed, how about having the upcoming Rome Grand Prix on the Rome-Night Circuit they had on GT2? The last two turns are like Turns 18 & 19 at Bahrain except flipped horizontally.

[Pointrox]

1. Bathurst [Australian GP]
2. Brands Hatch [British GP]
3. Watkins Glen [USA GP]
4. Monza [Italian GP]
5. Estoril [Portuguese GP]
6. Okayama [Japanese GP]
7. Interlagos [Brazilian GP]
8. Anderstorp [Scandinavian GP]
9. Kyalami [South African GP]
10. EuroSpeedway Lausitz [German GP]
11. Moscow Ring/ADM [Russian GP]
12. Wellington Street Circuit [Kiwi GP]
13. Monaco
14. Balatonring [Hungarian GP]
15. Marrakech Street Circuit [Moroccan GP]
16. Circuit de la Sarthe [French GP]
17. Dubai Autodrome [Arabian GP]
18. Automotodrom Grobnik [Croatian GP]

And notice, that none of these tracks are designed by Hermann Tilke

[watka]

I'd also add the Fictional Grand Prix, the Gran Turismo 1 layout for Special Stage Route 11, what an amazing track that was.

Yes, sir!

Thank you, the Gran Turismo 3 layout wasn't as good I don't think. At least it's going to be on GT5.

Are they ever going to release that game? I bought my XBox 360 because I couldn't wait any longer for the game, and I settled for Forza. This was about 2 and a half years ago.

[DemocalypseNow]

Thank you, the Gran Turismo 3 layout wasn't as good I don't think. At least it's going to be on GT5.

Are they ever going to release that game? I bought my XBox 360 because I couldn't wait any longer for the game, and I settled for Forza. This was about 2 and a half years ago.

If Polyphony Digital was a postal service, it would take 8 months to post a letter to my next-door neighbour.

[dr-baker]

Early Season Flyaways

1. Brazil - Interlagos
2. US GP South - Austin, Texas (benefit of the doubt at the moment)
3. US GP East Coast - Martinsville, Virginia
4. US GP North/New England GP/West Atlantic GP - Monticello Motor Cub, New York State
5. Canadian GP - Ile de Notre Dame, Montreal

European Season

6. Icelandic GP/North Atlantic GP - Iceland MotoPark (http://www.carlin.co.uk/iceland_motopark.php)
7. Monaco GP - Monte Carlo (positioned here in the calendar to fit in with it always being over Pentecost weekend otherwise would be later)
8. Manx GP - Douglas street track using TT track pits/Manx TT track
9. British GP - Silverstone
10. East Atlantic GP/European GP - Brands Hatch
11. Belgian GP - Spa
12. German GP - Eurospeedway Lausitz (combination of oval and infield, reminisant of old Monza combo)
13. San Marino GP - Imola
14. Italian GP - Monza

Late Season Flyaways

15. Japanese GP - Suzuka
16. Pacific GP - Fuji
17. Austalian GP - Melbourne
18. Oceania GP - Surfer's Paradise
19. New Zealand GP - Taupo

Statistics

Tracks active in 2010 for F1: 1, 5, 7, 9, 11, 14, 15, 17 (8 tracks, 42%)
Tracks used in past or future F1: 2, 10, 13, 16 (4 tracks, 21%)
Real tracks never used for F1 races: 3, 4, 6, 8, 12, 18, 19 (7 tracks, 37%)

[Captain Hammer]

And notice, that none of these tracks are designed by Hermann Tilke

I also notice you left out Monaco. Blasphemer!

[DemocalypseNow]

And notice, that none of these tracks are designed by Hermann Tilke

I also notice you left out Monaco. Blasphemer!

Nobody really cares about Monaco. Without it's 'street cred' nobody would care if there was a race held there or not at all.

[Captain Hammer]

Nobody really cares about Monaco. Without it's 'street cred' nobody would care if there was a race held there or not at all.

Yep, no-one cares about Monaco in the same way no-one in IndyCar cares about the Indianapolis 500, and no-one in Australia cares about Bathurst. Monaco is the one race in the season that everyone wants to win; in many ways, Monaco is Formula 1. Just try and remove it and see what kind of reaction you get.

[thehemogoblin]

Nobody really cares about Monaco. Without it's 'street cred' nobody would care if there was a race held there or not at all.

Yep, no-one cares about Monaco in the same way no-one in IndyCar cares about the Indianapolis 500, and no-one in Australia cares about Bathurst. Monaco is the one race in the season that everyone wants to win; in many ways, Monaco is Formula 1. Just try and remove it and see what kind of reaction you get.

What he's saying is that the race itself is generally of poor quality. It's the event, not the race itself, that draws people in.

[FullMetalJack]

Nobody really cares about Monaco. Without it's 'street cred' nobody would care if there was a race held there or not at all.

Yep, no-one cares about Monaco in the same way no-one in IndyCar cares about the Indianapolis 500, and no-one in Australia cares about Bathurst. Monaco is the one race in the season that everyone wants to win; in many ways, Monaco is Formula 1. Just try and remove it and see what kind of reaction you get.

What he's saying is that the race itself is generally of poor quality. It's the event, not the race itself, that draws people in.

It's only really a big event for drivers as it's a challenge for them. Wet races are the only really exciting ones such as 1984, 1996, 1997 and 2008.

[DemocalypseNow]

Nobody really cares about Monaco. Without it's 'street cred' nobody would care if there was a race held there or not at all.

Yep, no-one cares about Monaco in the same way no-one in IndyCar cares about the Indianapolis 500, and no-one in Australia cares about Bathurst. Monaco is the one race in the season that everyone wants to win; in many ways, Monaco is Formula 1. Just try and remove it and see what kind of reaction you get.

thehemogoblin explained it better than I did, but I think the other 2 events are more important to their respective sports; especially Bathurst, which is the longest race of the year (All the other enduros are only 500 miles right?). Monaco is just the same old race format as any other event on the calendar.

[thehemogoblin]

Nobody really cares about Monaco. Without it's 'street cred' nobody would care if there was a race held there or not at all.

Yep, no-one cares about Monaco in the same way no-one in IndyCar cares about the Indianapolis 500, and no-one in Australia cares about Bathurst. Monaco is the one race in the season that everyone wants to win; in many ways, Monaco is Formula 1. Just try and remove it and see what kind of reaction you get.

thehemogoblin explained it better than I did, but I think the other 2 events are more important to their respective sports; especially Bathurst, which is the longest race of the year (All the other enduros are only 500 miles right?). Monaco is just the same old race format as any other event on the calendar.

I'm pretty sure Indy is IndyCar's only 500 miler now too.

[dr-baker]

Monaco is just the same old race format as any other event on the calendar.

Apart from Friday practice being on Thursday...

...But your point still stands as being perfectly valid.

[Jeroen Krautmeir]

Sorry for gravedigging this, but I was pacing around my room as usual, imagining my makebelief series set in 1998. And I came up with the following:

1. Brands Hatch
2. Paul Ricard
3. Spa-Francorchamps
4. Zandvoort
5. Nordschleife (Yes, really.)
6. Mugello
7. Jerez
8. Estoril
9. Mont-Tremblant
10. Road America
11. Hermanos Rodriguez
12. Interlagos
13. Durban Street Circuit (the one used in A1)
14. Macau (The Monaco of the series)
15. Suzuka
16. Adelaide

[Shizuka]

01. Surfers Paradise
02. Macau
03. Laguna Seca
04. Montreal

05. Monza
06. Monaco
07. Snetterton
08. Dijon
09. Spa-Francorchamps
10. Norisring
11. Imola
12. Brands Hatch
13. A1-Ring
14. Pau

15. Sugo
16. Sepang
17. Adelaide
18. Bathurst

[Vepe]

1. Australian GP - Bathurst
2. Brazilian GP - Interlagos
3. Mexican GP - Hermanos Rodriguez
4. Indy 500 (adapted rules to accommodate both F1 and IndyCars)
5. Monaco GP
6. French GP - Paul Ricard (the original track)
7. German GP - Lausitzring (endurance version)
8. Scandinavian GP - Alternating between Anderstorp and Ahvenisto
9. British GP - Brands Hatch
10. Italian GP - Monza
11. Spanish GP - Barcelona pre-1994
12. European GP - Alternating between Nürburgring(pre-02), Assen(pre-02) and A1-Ring
13. Czech GP - Brno
14. Mediterranean GP - Alternating between Jerez and Imola(pre-94)
15. Canadian GP - Edmonton City Centre Airport
16. US GP - Elkhart Lake
17. American GP - Alternating between Laguna Seca and Watkins Glen
18. Japanese GP - Suzuka
19. New Zealand GP - Taupo
20. Oceanian GP - Alternating between Adelaide and Surfers Paradise

[Waris]

I also noticed I hadn't posted in this thread yet. I had a go at this before, but the document is on a computer that I can't access right now, so I will try to the best of my memory:

(this is not my list of the 18 best circuits, because I think it's good that there are some circuits F1 doesn't go to. I also think some tracks, like the Hungaroring which is bad (though not nearly as bad as some other tracks), are good to have on the calendar precisely because they are so annoying. Also, it should be obvious that this calendar is not actually possible.)

1. Australia, Albert Park
2. Switzerland, Bremgarten
3. Netherlands, Zandvoort (pre-1970s layout)
4. Monaco, Monte-Carlo (the layout with La Rascasse, but before they put all the runoff)
5. Indy 500, Indy 500
6. USA, Watkins Glen
7. Canada, Montreal
8. France, Paul Ricard (1980s layout)
9. Europe, Brands Hatch OR Donington (1993 layout)
10. Great Britain, Silverstone (pre-1970s OR 2010 layout)
11. Austria, Oesterreichring (old track)
12. Germany, Nuerburgring (Nordschleife)
13. Hungary, Hungaroring
14. Belgium, Spa-Francorchamps (pre-1985 track)
15. Italy, Monza (old track with the oval)
16. Japan, Suzuka
17. Brazil, Interlagos (present track)
18. Argentina, Potrero de los Funes

[rdbextreme]

I really like your enthusiasm for bringing ovals into F1. I think it would surely bring a greater diversity and an even more rounded overall champion to the series, however Bernie Ecclestone and the rest of the F1 paddock would not even consider the idea. It's partially b/c there is an arrogance, feeling that F1 is far above the idea of an oval, and partially b/c they are scared that ovals are unsafe. The rest is of course lack of interest in the idea. But once again I commend your dreams of uniting the two.

[nome66]

Mine.

1) Spain- Jerez
2) Britain- Silverstone (if they can somehow bring back the old, square Luffield)
3) North American GP- alternating between Watkins Glen and Indy (current infield layout, which has the much talked about chicane)
4) Australia- Adelaide
5) Monaco
6) Belgium- Spa Francochamps
7) Brazil- Interlagos (with better security)
8) Abu Dhabi
9) USA- Las Vegas (Don't be worried. it's not the parking lot. Search "Las Vegas Motor Speedway" on Google maps, great road course)
10) Canada- Notre Dame
11) European GP- not Valencia, PLEASE not Valencia. Like Nuerburg or something. hell, maybe even the Norisring.
12) Italy- Monza. Flatten the banking and run the "Florio" course.
13) Japan- Sazuka
I ran out of ideas

[Rocks with Salt]

Wow, I wasted way too much time setting this up, but at least I feel fulfilled. I never thought that it would be so hard to condense it into 18 races, but it turns out it's almost painful doing so... And yes, I put the Vatican GP on there (Popemobile safety car FTW!).

1. Australian GP - Phillip Island (GP layout)
2. South African GP - Kyalami (1990's GP layout)
3. German GP - Hockenheimring (Original layout + stands around the 3 chicanes)
4. French GP - Le Mans-Bugatti Circuit
5. Monaco GP - Streets of Monte Carlo
6. Italian GP - Monza
7. Vatican GP - Streets of Rome
8. San Marino GP - Imola (Pre-1995 layout)
9. Korean GP - Yeongam
10. British GP - Donington Park (2010 GP layout)
11. Austrian GP - Red Bull Ring (Westschleife extension)
12. Spanish GP - Montjuïc
13. Belgian GP - Spa-Francorchamps
14. Japanese GP - Suzuka
15. Mexican GP - Autódromo Hermanos Rodríguez
16. American GP - Sebring
17. Canadian GP - Montreal
18. Brazilian GP - Interlagos

[nome66]

i agree with everyone that thinks they should include f1 in the Indy500. I remember when CART, USAC, and IndyCar(then called AAA) were all in that one race.
then IndyCar monopolized it. Maybe split them into classes like LeMans or something.
BTW::
#14 on my dream calender
France- Paul Ricard, my way.

anyone? is it good?

[SuperAguri]

Although probably wouldn't work, I propose this.

Yes and Indy 500, have the F1 cars modified to Indycar spec and have them all qualifying and racing alongside their american counterparts. I could see HRT being dead last here.... points are scored for positions ignoring the Indycar drivers. I know the rules stated 1GP per country but as the US is a large place and has had 3 GPs (Long Beach, Detroit, Ceasers Palace) before I didn't find a reason not to repeat it here

Circuits arranged so that the distance between them is short and fits in with May being Indy and Monaco days...

1 - US West - Long Beach (1982 layout)
2 - US East - Detroit
3 - Canada - Montreal
4 - Mexico - Mexico City (1962 layout)
5 - Brazil - Interlagos (90s layout)
6 - Indy 500
7 - Monaco - Monte Carlo
8 - France - Paul Ricard (1986 club circuit layout)
9 - Belgium - Spa (1981 layout)
10 - British - Silverstone
11 - Germany - Hockenheim (1992 layout)
12 - Hungary - Hungaroring (2003 layout proposal)
13 - Italy - Monza
14 - Turkey - Istanbul
15 - Singapore - Marina Bay
16 - Malaysia - Sepang
17 - Japan - Suzuka (1983 layout)
18 - Australia - Adelaide

[the Masked Lapwing]

Wishful thinking?

1 - USA - Indy
2 - Canada - Montreal
3 - Brazil - Interlagos
4 - Britain - Brands Hatch
5 - Germany - Hockenheim (pre Tilke)
6 - France - Paul Ricard
7 - Spain - Jerez
8 - Monaco
9 - Italy - Monza
10 - Netherlands - Zandvoort
11 - Belgium - Spa
12 - Hungary - Hungaroring
13 - Europe - Nurburgring
14 - Turkey - Istanbul
15 - Malaysia - Sepang
16 - Japan - Suzuka
17 - Pacific - Surfers Paradise
18 - Australia - Adelaide

[Phoenix]

My calendar (not in any particular order):
1-Adelaida.
2-Indianapolis oval course.
3-Zandvoort.
4-Suzuka.
5-Spa-Francorchamps.
6-Monza.
7-Brands Hatch.
8-Paul Ricard.
9-Montjuïch.
10-Interlagos old course.
11-Nürburgring Nordschleife.
12-Long Beach.
13-Potrero de los Funes.
14-Hermanos Rodríguez.
15-Kyalami pre-1992 course.
16-Estoril.
17-Silverstone.
18-Hockenheimring old course.

[Dj_bereta]

1-US GP - Indy
2-Mexican GP - Hermanoz Rodriguez
3-Brazilian GP - Interlagos
4-Australian GP - Melbourne
5-Chinese GP - Shangai
6-Spanish GP - Jerez
7-French GP - Paul Richard
8-British GP - Snetterton
9-Germany GP - Hockenhein (1994-2001 layout)
10-Holland GP - Assen
11-Belgium GP - Spa
12-Italian GP - Monza
13-European GP - Lausitzring (with 1st turn of oval)
14-Monaco GP
15-Canadian GP - Montreal
16-Pacific East GP - Vancouver
17-Pacific West GP - Fuji
18-Japanese GP - Suzuka

[QuickYoda41]

1. Australian GP - Melbourne
2. Malaysian GP - Sepang
3. USA GP - Sebring
4. Portuguese GP - Estoril
5. French GP - Dijon
6. German GP - Hockenheim
7. Turkish GP - Istanbul
8. Abu Dhabi GP - Yas Marina
9. Austrian GP - Österreichring
10. Italian GP - Monza
11. Monaco GP - Monaco
12. Belgian GP - Spa (with old Bus Stop chicane)
13. British GP - Silverstone
14. South African GP - Kyalami (old)
15. Brazilian GP - Interlagos
16. Canadian GP - Montreal
17. Singapore GP - Marina Bay
18. Japanese GP - Suzuka

[rdbextreme]

I really think that we can ALL agree that the current F1 calender needs to be updated and improved.

[nome66]

Well, isn't that kinda the idea?

[FullMetalJack]

Well, isn't that kinda the idea?

Yes, that was what I thought about when I created this thread.

[rdbextreme]

well of course, I just wish Bernie and his group of thugs would see that the fans are NOT content with the current situation. However, he's making too much money off of the current venues and herman tilke-made tracks. What a horrbile combination

[shinji]

1. Bahrain
2. Malaysia
3. Fuji
4. Catalunya
5. Monaco
6. Turkey
7. Indy
8. Donington
9. Magny-Cours
10. Hockenheim
11. Hungaroring
12. Russia
13. Imola
14. Bulgaria
15. Singapore
16. Korea
17. India
18. China
19. Abu Dhabi


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