2011 Car Launches

Wookey · Post by **Wookey** » 28 Jan 2011, 07:14

Early render of new HRT car 2011!

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 28 Jan 2011, 09:48

Ferrari become the first team to reveal their 2011 car.

Personally it looks too conservative but that's something we've come to expect of Ferrari in recent years.

patrick · Post by **patrick** » 28 Jan 2011, 10:00

Wizzie wrote:Ferrari become the first team to reveal their 2011 car.

Personally it looks too conservative but that's something we've come to expect of Ferrari in recent years.

Indeed, it looks like the '09 rear end and '10 front end. It seems most of the innovation and improvements that Ferrari have talked about will be on the inside.
I'm disappointed, but hey, twelve more to come!

eytl · Post by **eytl** » 28 Jan 2011, 10:24

patrick wrote:
Wizzie wrote:Ferrari become the first team to reveal their 2011 car.

Personally it looks too conservative but that's something we've come to expect of Ferrari in recent years.

Indeed, it looks like the '09 rear end and '10 front end. It seems most of the innovation and improvements that Ferrari have talked about will be on the inside.
I'm disappointed, but hey, twelve more to come!

The most interesting aspects for me are the Italian flag on the rear wing and the new logo on the engine cover to replace the nothingness. Which confirms that the car itself at first glance doesn't seem that exciting. But yes, a conservative-looking Ferrari at the launch (or even during the season proper) doesn't necessarily mean an uncompetitive Ferrari on the track ...

the Masked Lapwing · Post by **the Masked Lapwing** » 28 Jan 2011, 10:26

Wizzie wrote:Ferrari become the first team to reveal their 2011 car.

Personally it looks too conservative but that's something we've come to expect of Ferrari in recent years.

You know what? I prefer the shark fins.

S951 · Post by **S951** » 28 Jan 2011, 10:48

nice render from that game wookie

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 28 Jan 2011, 10:52

Wizzie wrote:Ferrari become the first team to reveal their 2011 car.

Personally it looks too conservative but that's something we've come to expect of Ferrari in recent years.

It doesn't look to bad. Just like last year. We will see next week how it behaves on the track.

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 28 Jan 2011, 10:54

I hate boring cars, and Ferrari just came up with one.... Again.

Why can't designers be more creative like what Paolo did? (The pic Wookey posted). It doesn't matter how slow the cars are, we need more Eifellands! :lol:

Post by **mario** » 28 Jan 2011, 11:05

eytl wrote:
patrick wrote:
Wizzie wrote:Ferrari become the first team to reveal their 2011 car.

Personally it looks too conservative but that's something we've come to expect of Ferrari in recent years.

Indeed, it looks like the '09 rear end and '10 front end. It seems most of the innovation and improvements that Ferrari have talked about will be on the inside.
I'm disappointed, but hey, twelve more to come!

The most interesting aspects for me are the Italian flag on the rear wing and the new logo on the engine cover to replace the nothingness. Which confirms that the car itself at first glance doesn't seem that exciting. But yes, a conservative-looking Ferrari at the launch (or even during the season proper) doesn't necessarily mean an uncompetitive Ferrari on the track ...

Well, the indication is that the car is more of an evolution of the F10 instead of a totally new car; given that the F10 was fairly competitive and a quite stable platform, it isn't a bad place to start from. There are a few interesting quirks here and there - they've modified the front and rear suspension, and there are lots of tweaks here and there once you look closer. Admittedly, not everything on this car is new - the front wing, for example, is off the 2010 car - but there are still a few interesting modifications. The most difficult aspect is working out where the exhausts are: you suspect that they must be going into the diffuser at some point to blow it, but I can't quite see where just yet.

Peter · Post by **Peter** » 28 Jan 2011, 11:10

patrick wrote:
Wizzie wrote:Ferrari become the first team to reveal their 2011 car.

Personally it looks too conservative but that's something we've come to expect of Ferrari in recent years.

Indeed, it looks like the '09 rear end and '10 front end. It seems most of the innovation and improvements that Ferrari have talked about will be on the inside.
I'm disappointed, but hey, twelve more to come!

Hey, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. This is the car that almost won the title last year, but only bad luck cost it. The only car that could ever be consistently within half a second of the Red Bulls.

Peter · Post by **Peter** » 28 Jan 2011, 11:11

Wookey wrote:Early render of new HRT car 2011!

Say wut? That actually looks good. HRT for 2011 title? lol jk

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 28 Jan 2011, 11:12

mario wrote:The most difficult aspect is working out where the exhausts are: you suspect that they must be going into the diffuser at some point to blow it, but I can't quite see where just yet.

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't blown diffusers banned for this year?

Peter · Post by **Peter** » 28 Jan 2011, 11:14

Wizzie wrote:
mario wrote:The most difficult aspect is working out where the exhausts are: you suspect that they must be going into the diffuser at some point to blow it, but I can't quite see where just yet.

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't blown diffusers banned for this year?

As far as I know, only Double diffusers are banned.

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 28 Jan 2011, 11:14

Right, so next up are the two Loti and Sauber. I've subscribed to Team Lotus to get the first look of the TL11, or so they say. Expecting bold designs from Renault and Lotus, and a fairly new but not too exciting Sauber.

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 28 Jan 2011, 12:34

In the case of Sauber, I'll settle for an actual livery. No doubt Telmex will feature prominently, and Mad Croc have redboubled their sponsorship of the team.

Wookey · Post by **Wookey** » 28 Jan 2011, 13:03

The Ferrari is always boring, much red. But that is happen always!

I want Massa to do bad, so we see Jules Bianchi become France F1 driver.

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 28 Jan 2011, 13:13

Wookey wrote:The Ferrari is always boring, much red. But that is happen always!

I want Massa to do bad, so we see Jules Bianchi become France F1 driver.

Yes, the Ferrari is always red.

I agree with you, in that I want to see Jules enter Formula One. The sport needs another French hero in my opinion, and he (along with GRRRRRSSSSSSJJJJJJNNNNNNNN) are people I want to see in F1. Where's Lapierre by the way? I still have that cap he gave me, and have been waiting almost 6 years for his F1 debut....

Post by **mario** » 28 Jan 2011, 14:38

Peter wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
mario wrote:The most difficult aspect is working out where the exhausts are: you suspect that they must be going into the diffuser at some point to blow it, but I can't quite see where just yet.

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't blown diffusers banned for this year?

As far as I know, only Double diffusers are banned.

They've modified the regulations to limit the height of the diffuser in the central region (i.e. the area around the gearbox), and the only additional opening allowed in that region is the hole for the starter motor.
A blown diffuser is still possible, but the regulations have been designed such that you can only create an opening for the exhaust in the outermost 50mm of the diffuser (as some teams - most notably Red Bull - were using the same loophole in the rules that allowed the openings for the double diffuser to direct the exhausts into the diffuser).

It's interesting to note that Ferrari have said that part of the current bodywork, and the front wings in particular (which are directly off the F10) are effectively placeholders, with several components carried over from the F10 to act as a benchmark for the team.

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:Right, so next up are the two Loti and Sauber. I've subscribed to Team Lotus to get the first look of the TL11, or so they say. Expecting bold designs from Renault and Lotus, and a fairly new but not too exciting Sauber.

There have been a few teaser pictures of the R31, showing the top of the chassis when Renault fired up the R31 for the first time in the factory.
http://a.yfrog.com/img615/9379/3zhg.jpg
It looks as if the nose might be considerably higher on the R31 for a start, although we can't tell too much more at the moment. I would expect to see a more marked difference with the R31, given what Renault have been saying, and Team Lotus have been hinting that their new car should be a lot sleeker and more aerodynamically efficient than the 2010 car.

Although we have to wait a bit longer for it, though, apparently Mclaren seem to have been very adventurous this year with their car - so, over the next few days, I expect that most of the cars - with the exception of the Sauber C30, which they have already said will be fairly conservative - to look a bit more radical.

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 28 Jan 2011, 19:53

the new logo on the ferrari engine cover looks like half a malboro logo..... but sssssh i dont want to start that controversy again.....

Myrvold · Post by **Myrvold** » 28 Jan 2011, 20:19

It's like an open Marlboro pack, with one sticking out (Ferrari-logo).

Post by **mario** » 28 Jan 2011, 20:42

And here is a shot showing the adjustable rear wing mechanism in action during Alonso's 100km of shakedown testing today. [Massa, meanwhile, will carry out 100km of shakedown testing tomorrow, as per the regulations.]

Also, answering my earlier query (perhaps), it looks like the exhausts exit just under the rear suspension arms. Admittedly, we can't be sure that it is not a dummy exit, like on the RB6 when Newey tried to trick everybody about where the exhaust exit was during testing, but it does seem to be in a logical position, and an area where the regulations would allow you to blow the diffuser.
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/u ... ior-12.jpg

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 28 Jan 2011, 20:55

Really cool comparison of the new Ferrari and last year's car:

http://www.marca.com/2011/01/28/multime ... 22999.html

Click on the projection and drag the sliding bar at the bottom. Awesome! Trust me, you want to see this site.
It's in Spanish, but the text doesn't have anything that you can't read somewhere else.

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 28 Jan 2011, 22:16

From that site we can see that it is an whole new rear. Ironicaly, it could the achillis heel of Ferrari. Again.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 28 Jan 2011, 23:48

Wizzie wrote:Ferrari become the first team to reveal their 2011 car.

Personally it looks too conservative but that's something we've come to expect of Ferrari in recent years.

For me? It looks simple, and simple cars can go a long way. It doesn't help, though, when you have more than 60 years of traditional red... For me if I had my way I'd throw in some white but nothing else. The car looks really nice.

BTW, couldn't find the drivers posing with the car, but I did find this:

fjackdaw · Post by **fjackdaw** » 29 Jan 2011, 00:21

Captain Hammer wrote:In the case of Sauber, I'll settle for an actual livery. No doubt Telmex will feature prominently, and Mad Croc have redboubled their sponsorship of the team.

Goodness, yes. Save us from another tedious white car - last year's Sauber would have been the most uninspiring colour scheme in years, if it hadn't been for HRT.

Myrvold · Post by **Myrvold** » 29 Jan 2011, 01:57

And no Etihad, Mubadala or other yalla whalla sponsors anywhere.

P_Friesacher · Post by **P_Friesacher** » 29 Jan 2011, 02:19

This 150-years-of-Italy thing seems to be Ferrari's Version of the "Earth Car".

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 29 Jan 2011, 13:18

P_Friesacher wrote:This 150-years-of-Italy thing seems to be Ferrari's Version of the "Earth Car".

Not quite or otherwise Ferrari would have painted the Italian Flag in the whole car and not only the back of the rear wing. And if they are as crap as in 2009, not many people will see it either...

watka · Post by **watka** » 29 Jan 2011, 14:11

Peter wrote:
patrick wrote:
Wizzie wrote:Ferrari become the first team to reveal their 2011 car.

Personally it looks too conservative but that's something we've come to expect of Ferrari in recent years.

Indeed, it looks like the '09 rear end and '10 front end. It seems most of the innovation and improvements that Ferrari have talked about will be on the inside.
I'm disappointed, but hey, twelve more to come!

Hey, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. This is the car that almost won the title last year, but only bad luck cost it. The only car that could ever be consistently within half a second of the Red Bulls.

Surely that's a problem though? If you're half a second off of the champion team last year then surely you're going to want to do something a bit different to make that half a second up?

Peter · Post by **Peter** » 29 Jan 2011, 15:25

watka wrote:
Peter wrote:
patrick wrote:Indeed, it looks like the '09 rear end and '10 front end. It seems most of the innovation and improvements that Ferrari have talked about will be on the inside.
I'm disappointed, but hey, twelve more to come!

Hey, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. This is the car that almost won the title last year, but only bad luck cost it. The only car that could ever be consistently within half a second of the Red Bulls.

Surely that's a problem though? If you're half a second off of the champion team last year then surely you're going to want to do something a bit different to make that half a second up?

I didn't mean they didn't change anything, but they don't really have to do any extreme, major changes, as the car was very fast already.

Rocks with Salt · Post by **Rocks with Salt** » 29 Jan 2011, 18:48

Por una vez, esos tres años de español por fin dando sus frutos! Puedo entenderla!

The only impression I got out of it was that it definitely looked simpler, but it's probably only to look simpler rather than actually being simpler. The Italian tricolor is a nice touch, though.

Collieafc · Post by **Collieafc** » 29 Jan 2011, 19:11

I like the Italian Tricolour as well. Different, but in a good way

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 29 Jan 2011, 20:18

Rocks with Salt wrote:Por una vez, esos tres años de español por fin dando sus frutos! Puedo entenderla!

The only impression I got out of it was that it definitely looked simpler, but it's probably only to look simpler rather than actually being simpler. The Italian tricolor is a nice touch, though.

It seems that they aren't bringing the whole aerodinamics lot until Bahrein. Presenting a complete car a full month before the first race can give other teams some developing ideas.

Post by **mario** » 29 Jan 2011, 23:56

Peter wrote:I didn't mean they didn't change anything, but they don't really have to do any extreme, major changes, as the car was very fast already.

Well, the overall concept of the F150 is broadly similar to the F10 (which was still reasonably competitive, so not a bad starting point), but the more that you look at it, the more that you notice the small changes that have been made to the aerodynamics. I'm basing this comment on an excellent article by scarbsf1 http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2011/01/2 ... -analysis/ which goes into the developments on the F150 as it currently stands.

There are changes to the rear of the car to increase airflow over the beam wing, changes to the sidepod shape and intakes (with the higher cooling requirements for KERS) and revisions to the nose (with a higher nose, and less subtle ridges with new rules that are designed to reduce the nose ridges by increasing the mandatory nose cross section size and maximum height of the bodywork). It's an evolution of the F10, that is clear, but it is a more tightly packaged version.

Unfortunately, what we can't see is what is going on underneath the bodywork, where the changes have been most radical - asides from the new KERS unit (which should be more compact and lighter than its predecessor), there are changes to the packaging of the fuel tank, oil tank and engine installation (the engine probably is no longer slightly inclined, as it was on the F10 in order to fit a larger upper channel for the diffuser).

And that is before we get onto the suspension - the rear suspension has been pretty comprehensively overhauled, with the dampers etc. now packaged further forward, following on from developments by Renault on the R30, and getting rid of the rear torsion bars (as done by Williams, Mclaren and several other teams). There is talk that Ferrari might have a passive interconnected suspension system (i.e. the front and rear suspension are interlinked to reduce variation in pitch when braking, accelerating etc.) - perhaps Marmorini brought that from Toyota, who, along with Williams, are said to have tried, albeit unsuccessfully, to implement such an idea?

What has also been confirmed is a new pneumatic valve system under the reliability upgrade system (Marmorini is thought to have brought it over from Toyota's engine program). Whilst it doesn't increase the power of the engine when new, it decreasea degradation (and therefore power loss) at higher mileages.

So, all in all, once you look at that list, you realise that whilst the two cars may look alike, they are actually quite different once you look closer.

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 30 Jan 2011, 00:05

But all in all it's a 3 year old design, isn't it? Remember what happened the last time Ferrari brought over a 2 year old design into a new season?

Ferrari 640- Awful reliability, bloody quick. All points are podium finishes.
Ferrari 641- Modified to suit Prost, reliability cured. Prost challenges for championship, Mansell is seemingly nowhere (sound familiar?)
Ferrari 642- More upgrades, and Ferrari plummet. Not a single win, a few podiums, and quite a few embarrassments.

Ferrari F60- Pretty bad early on, but development culminates in Kimi's podium/1 win spree.
Ferrari F10- Definitely the third (or second) best car at the beginning of the season. 1-2 in the beginning, and Alonso challenges for the championship.
Ferrari F150- ?

nome66 · Post by **nome66** » 30 Jan 2011, 03:49

Ferrari F150-?

A pickup truck!

Ed24 · Post by **Ed24** » 30 Jan 2011, 12:06

A small preview of the new Mercedes

It looks like Petronas have got their way and painted the wings in their colour, just like the original concept livery proposed.

Wookey wrote:Early render of new HRT car 2011!

Rubbish, that's just a 2011 fantasy car for Grand Prix 4.

http://www.grandprixgames.org/read.php?4,960367

JohnMLTX · Post by **JohnMLTX** » 31 Jan 2011, 04:36

Team Lotus' website has gone down, likely to prepare for the fast-approaching online launch. I'm getting excited!

Myrvold · Post by **Myrvold** » 31 Jan 2011, 05:23

A hell of a PDF-document...

took me 22 minutes to look through. And I didn't even read it properly!!

Looks better than the 2010!

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 31 Jan 2011, 05:30

Myrvold wrote:A hell of a PDF-document... took me 22 minutes to look through. And I didn't even read it properly!!

The only way Group Bahar can redeem themselves is if they suddenly decide to run that PacMan livery on page 18