The Winless Alternative Championship

Warren Hughes · Post by **Warren Hughes** » 25 Oct 2010, 22:55

This is my first go at an alternative championship but it seemed to me like an obvious one that was missing: every winner in the history of Formula 1 has been removed. I'm expecting big success for the likes of Brundle and Heidfeld, but let's wait and see.

1950

Points system: 8-6-4-3-2; best four results count for the championship. Shared drives count for half points (including if they were shared with a winner). Indy 500 counts towards championship.

1. Louis Rosier, 26 (27.5) (2 wins, 1 2nd, 1 3rd)
2. Peter Whitehead 10 (1 win)
3. Prince Bira 10 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
4. Louis Chiron 8 (1 win)
5. Reg Parnell 8 (1 win)
6. Bill Holland 8 (1 win)
7. Yves Giraud-Cabantous 8 (1 2nd)
8. Raymond Sommer 6 (1 2nd)
9. Robert Manzon 6 (1 2nd)
10. Luigi Villoresi 6 (1 2nd)
11. Mauri Rose 6 (1 2nd)
12. Philippe Etancelin 6 (2 3rds [1 shared])
13. Toulo de Graffenried 6 (2 4ths)
14. Bob Gerard 6 (2 4ths)
15. Johnny Claes 5 (1 4th)
16. Dorino Serafini 4 (1 win [shared])
17. Pierre Levegh 4 (1 3rd)
18. Felice Bonetto 4 (1 3rd)
19. Cecil Green 4 (1 3rd)
20. Eugène Chaboud 2 (1 3rd [shared])
21. Cuth Harrison 2 (1 5th)
22. Geoff Crossley 2 (1 5th)
23. Walt Faulkner 2 (1 5th)
24. Nello Pagani 2 (1 5th)
25= Joie Chitwood 1.5 (1 4th [shared])
25= Tony Bettenhausen 1.5 (1 4th [shared])
27. Charles Pozzi 1.5 (1 4th [shared])

Louis Rosier is the only consistent points scorer in the inaugural world championship, and the only driver to win more than one race this season. Reg Parnell wins the first ever world championship Grand Prix, at Silverstone, Bill Holland wins the Indy 500 and Pierre Levegh gets a podium at Spa five years before his tragic death at Le Mans.

First win: Rosier, Whitehead, Chiron, Parnell, Holland, Serafini
First podium: Bira, Giraud-Cabantous, Sommer, Manzon, Villoresi, Rose, Etancelin, Levegh, Bonetto, Green, Chaboud
Unrejectification: de Graffenried, Gerard, Claes, Chitwood, Bettenhausen, Pozzi

QuickYoda41 · Post by **QuickYoda41** » 26 Oct 2010, 11:15

Good idea. I can't wait to see Nick's success.

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 26 Oct 2010, 12:23

OOh, De Cesaris might win a championship!!!

Post by **tommykl** » 26 Oct 2010, 16:02

First, I was thinking "What's Rosier doing as champion?". Then I remembered Fagioli won a race...

Ferrim · Post by **Ferrim** » 26 Oct 2010, 16:34

Trulli and Alesi will be heart-broken right now.

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 26 Oct 2010, 16:42

And Panis and Kovalainen.

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 26 Oct 2010, 16:59

Oh god, I've just envisaged one of the funniest podiums ever. Indianapolis 2004. The finishing order was: Schumacher, Barrichello, Sato, Trulli, Panis, Raikkonen, Coulthard, HWNSNBM and Fisichella retired but classified, everyone else DNFs.

I'll leave everyone else to work out the rest except to say YAY for Monaco 1996 and 2004!!

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 26 Oct 2010, 17:17

QuickYoda41 wrote:Good idea. I can't wait to see Nick's success.

Here's 2006

Used 2003-2009 points system.

Nick Heidfeld 4+10+8+8+10+10+10+10+8+8+5+10+8+10=119 (7 wins, 5 2nd)
Vitantonio Liuzzi 6+10+6+5+8+6+5+10+4+8+5+6+4+4=87 (2 wins, 4 3rd)
Scott Speed 3+8+5+6+5+8+6+6+4+6+6+3+6=72 (2 2nd, 6 3rd)
Nico Rosberg 10+10+10+8+8+8+3+5+8=70 (3 wins, 4 2nd)
Pedro de la Rosa 10+10+10+10+6+10=56 (5 wins, 1 3rd)
Christian Klien 8+6+5+6+5+10+8+8=56 (1 win, 3 2nd, 2 3rd)
Christijan Albers 8+6+4+6+4+2+5+3+2+3=43 (1 2nd, 2 3rd)
Tiago Monteiro 2+6+4+5+4+5+3+4+6+2+2=43 (2 3rd)
Takuma Sato 1+5+5+3+2+3+3+4+3+8=37 (1 2nd)
Robert Doornbos 4+5+5=14
Franck Montagny 4+1+1=6
Yuji Ide 4
Sakon Yamamoto 1+1+1=3

Scuderia Toro Rosso Cosworth: 159
BMW Sauber: 119 [only 1 car!]
Midland-Spyker F1 Toyota: 86
Williams Cosworth: 70 [only 1 car; 3 wins]
Red Bull Racing Ferrari: 70 [1 win]
McLaren Mercedes: 56 [only 1 car!]
Super Aguri Honda: 50 [4 cars!]

Heidfeld was alone so he couldn't get the constructors title against the two-car Toro Rosso team.
Note: The US GP had only TWO point scorers!
Another note: If someone didn't classify as finished (aka didn't complete the 90% distance), did NOT get any points.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 26 Oct 2010, 17:39

James1978 wrote: YAY for Monaco 1996

Erm, Salo? Then... (But bearing in mind Germany 1999 ought to have been won by Salo in this reality...)

And US GP 2005... Hurrah for unrejectification of all those who finish this race in this alternate reality...

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 26 Oct 2010, 18:41

James1978 wrote:Oh god, I've just envisaged one of the funniest podiums ever. Indianapolis 2004. The finishing order was: Schumacher, Barrichello, Sato, Trulli, Panis, Raikkonen, Coulthard, HWNSNBM and Fisichella retired but classified, everyone else DNFs.

I'll leave everyone else to work out the rest except to say YAY for Monaco 1996 and 2004!!

its not gonna be as funny as you think HWNSNBM will have a number of podiums in 2004

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 26 Oct 2010, 18:54

I was saying YAY to the two Monaco races as they were Panis and Trulli's only wins, and being able to eliminate them from the Indy '04 results means a podium of Sato/HWNSNBM and nobody 3rd! :lol:

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 26 Oct 2010, 18:59

If you think that's interesting, watch the 2008 Spanish GP.

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 26 Oct 2010, 19:58

Made 2004!

Sato 10+4+10+6+10+10+10+8+10+10+10+10+10=118 (10 wins, 1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Klien 8+8+6+10+6+8+5+6+5+10+5+8+6=91 (2 wins, 4 2nd, 4 3rd)
Heidfeld 5+8+8+5+6+6+4+8+6=56 (3 2nd, 3 3rd)
da Matta 6+10+8+8+10+6+6=54 (2 wins, 2 2nd, 3 3rd)
HWNSNBM 3+8+6+5+8+4+3+3+5+4=49 (2 2nd, 1 3rd)
Pizzonia 10+10+8+8=36 (2 wins, 2 2nd)
Bruni 5+3+3+4+3+4+4+3=29
Glock 10+6+5+5=26 (1 win, 1 3rd)
Pantano 5+6+4+4+5=24 (1 3rd)
Zonta 8+6+8=22 (2 2nd, 1 3rd)
Gené 10+8=18 (1 win, 1 2nd)

BAR Honda: 118 - 1 car
Jordan Ford: 106 - 3 cars
Jaguar Cosworth: 91 - 1 car
Minardi Cosworth: 78 - 2 cars
Toyota: 76 - 2 cars
Williams BMW: 54 - 2 cars

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 26 Oct 2010, 20:22

Here's 2005 too

2005

Monteiro 5+5+8+4+8+8+5+8+10+8+5+3+5+4+5+10+8+8=117 (2 wins, 7 2nd)
Klien 10+8+10+8+10+10+8+8+10+10+10=102 (7 wins, 4 2nd)
Karthikeyan 6+6+5+5+6+4+8+6+4+6+5+6+5+5=77 (1 2nd, 6 3rd)
Heidfeld 10+8+10+10+10+10+8+10=76 (6 wins, 2 2nd)
Sato 8+6+10+6+6+8+8+6+8=66 (1 win, 4 2nd, 4 3rd)
Albers 4+5+6+3+6+6+4+5+3+5+6+4+4=61 (4 3rd)
Doornbos 2+6+4+4+6+5=27 (2 3rd)
Friesacher 4+6+2+5+3=20 (1 3rd)
Pizzonia 3+10+6=19 (1 win, 1 3rd)
Liuzzi 6+8=14 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Wurz 10
de la Rosa 10
Zonta
Davidson

Jordan Toyota: 194 - 2 cars
Red Bull Cosworth: 116 - 2 cars
Minardi Cosworth: 108 - 3 cars
Williams BMW: 95 - 2 cars
BAR Honda: 66 - 1 car
McLaren Mercedes: 20 - 2 cars

And 2007!

2007

Heidfeld 10+10+10+10+10+10+10+8+10+10+10+10+8+8=134 (11 wins, 3 2nd)
Rosberg 8+8+10+5+5+8+8+8+8+8+8+4+10=98 (2 wins, 8 2nd)
Wurz 8+6+8+8+10+6+6+10+6+6+6+6=86 (2 wins, 3 2nd, 7 3rd)
Sato 6+6+8+4+6+5+5+5+3+4+4+5+5+5=71 (1 2nd, 3 3rd)
Davidson 4+4+3+6+3+4+8+6+5+5+3+3=54 (1 2nd, 2 3rd)
Liuzzi 5+3+3+3+4+3+6+8+10+4=49 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Sutil 3+4+5+5+4+4+1+2+5+10=43 (1 win)
Albers 5+4+2+4+4=19
Speed 5+6+6=17 (2 3rd)
Yamamoto 2+1+2+6+3=14 (1 3rd)
Nakajima 6
Winkelhock

Williams Toyota: 190 - 3 cars
BMW Sauber: 134 - 1 car
Super Aguri Honda: 125 - 2 cars
Spyker Ferrari: 76 - 4 cars
Scuderia Toro Rosso Ferrari: 66 - 2 cars

Warren Hughes · Post by **Warren Hughes** » 26 Oct 2010, 20:45

Sorry Shizuka, but the idea was I was going to do them all, in chronological order, and build up to the more recent seasons over time. I'll be posting 1951 and probably 1952 tonight. I appreciate your enthusiasm though!

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 26 Oct 2010, 20:46

No problem, I was curious about these 04-07 seasons, so I don't plan to do more.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 26 Oct 2010, 20:56

you're now officially one of my heros, because you unrejectified johnny claes in his very first season!

Warren Hughes · Post by **Warren Hughes** » 26 Oct 2010, 21:51

1951

Points system: 8-6-4-3-2; best four results count for the championship. Shared drives count for half points (including if they were shared with a winner). Indy 500 counts towards championship.

1. Luigi Villoresi 32 (38) (4 wins, 1 2nd)
2. Felice Bonetto 18 (2 wins [1 shared], 1 2nd)
3. Louis Rosier 16 (19) (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
4. Toulo de Graffenried 12 (2 2nds)
5. Consalvo Sanesi 11 (1 win)
6. Reg Parnell 10 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
7. Yves Giraud-Cabantous 9 (1 3rd)
8. Mike Nazaruk 8 (1 win)
9. Louis Chiron 8 (2 3rds)
10. Rudi Fischer 6 (1 2nd)
11. Robert Manzon 6 (1 3rd)
12. Philippe Etancelin 5 (1 4th, 1 5th)
13. André Simon 4 (1 3rd)
14. Andy Linden 4 (1 3rd)
15= Jack McGrath 3 (1 2nd [shared])
15= Manny Ayulo 3 (1 2nd [shared])
17. Bobby Ball 3 (1 4th)
18. André Pilette 3 (1 4th)
19. Pierre Levegh 2 (1 5th, 1 6th)
20. Johnny Claes 2 (1 5th, 1 7th)
21. Henry Banks 2 (1 5th)
22. Eugène Chaboud 2 (1 5th)
23. Peter Walker 2 (1 5th)

Four wins on the trot in mid-season give Villoresi the title with 2 races to spare, and mean his 2nd place at the penultimate event in Italy counts for absolutely nothing. Reigning champion Rosier loses out on second place in the standings through having to drop the points from one of his three 4th place finishes. Mike Nazaruk wins the Indy 500. None of 1950's race winners reach the top step of the podium in '51.

First win: Villoresi, Bonetto, Sanesi, Nazaruk
First podium: de Graffenried, Fischer, Simon, Linden, McGrath, Ayulo
Unrejectification: Ball, Pilette

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 26 Oct 2010, 22:57

Klon wrote:If you think that's interesting, watch the 2008 Spanish GP.

I won't spoil for those who want to see it unfold for themselves but :lol:

And another good one is Hungary 1997. ;-)

P_Friesacher · Post by **P_Friesacher** » 26 Oct 2010, 23:29

While Alex Wurz RUINED the 1998 British GP - however, the Italian GP of that year made things (half) right again.
1998 was a particularly good year in general. Just LOOK at the San Marino GP!!

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 27 Oct 2010, 04:56

the podium of the 1998 belgian grand prix would be diniz, nakano and no-one
and gene would have won 1999 european GP, ah poor badoer, he could have easily won this one :cry:

Pieman · Post by **Pieman** » 27 Oct 2010, 16:49

Warren Hughes wrote: let's wait and see.

It annoys me a little when people start predicting the results of these ages before they happen - just my opinion, but watching them unfold in order is part of the fun for me. Not having a go at anyone though - keep up the good work Mr Hughes.

Warren Hughes · Post by **Warren Hughes** » 28 Oct 2010, 22:36

1952

Points system: 8-6-4-3-2; best four results count for the championship. Shared drives count for half points (including if they were shared with a winner). Indy 500 counts towards championship.

1. Robert Manzon 22 (2 wins, 1 2nd)
2. Jean Behra 18 (3 2nds)
3. Rudi Fischer 16 (2 wins)
4. Luigi Villoresi 16 (2 wins)
5. Dennis Poore 8 (1 win)
6. Duane Carter 8 (1 win)
7. Alan Brown 7 (1 3rd)
8. Paul Frère 6 (1 2nd)
9. Felice Bonetto 6 (1 2nd)
10. Art Cross 6 (1 2nd)
11. Eric Thompson 6 (1 2nd)
12. Ken Wharton 6 (1 3rd)
13. Lance Macklin 6 (2 4ths)
14. Roger Laurent 4 (1 3rd)
15. André Simon 4 (1 3rd)
16. Duncan Hamilton 4 (1 3rd)
17. Jimmy Reece 4 (1 3rd)
18. Philippe Etancelin 4 (1 3rd)
19. Reg Parnell 4 (1 3rd)
20. Chico Landi 4 (1 4th)
21. Charles de Tornaco 3 (1 4th)
22. George Connor 3 (1 4th)
23. Roy Salvadori 3 (1 4th)
24. Fritz Riess 3 (1 4th)
25. Johnny Claes 2 (1 5th)
26. Toulo de Graffenried 2 (1 5th)
27. Toni Ulmen 2 (1 5th)
28. Ken Downing 2 (1 5th)
29. Cliff Griffith 2 (1 5th)
30. Yves Giraud-Cabantous 2 (1 5th)
31. Jan Flinterman 1 (1 5th [shared])

Reigning champion Villoresi misses the first 6 races of the season, putting him out of championship contention. He only enters the last two events, and promptly wins them both. Manzon however profits from the Italian's absence, taking the lead of the championship at the penultimate event at Zandvoort and taking the title at Monza despite finishing a lowly 10th as rivals Behra and Fischer both fail to finish. Meanwhile, incredible scenes at the British Grand Prix, as incredibly, home drivers take a clean sweep of the points! Even more incredibly, all of them, with the exception of third-placed Reg Parnell, ARE MAKING THEIR F1 DEBUTS AT THE TIME!!! Meanwhile, Duane Carter takes the Indy 500.

First win: Manzon, Fischer, Poore, Carter
First podium: Behra, Brown, Frère, Cross, Thompson, Wharton, Laurent, Hamilton, Reece
Unrejectification: Macklin, Landi, de Tornaco, Connor, Salvadori, Riess

Warren Hughes · Post by **Warren Hughes** » 07 Nov 2010, 15:10

1953

Points system: 8-6-4-3-2; best four results count for the championship. Shared drives count for half points (including if they were shared with a winner). Indy 500 counts towards championship.

1. Luigi Villoresi 32 (37.5) (4 wins, 1 3rd)
2. Felice Bonetto 24 (4 wins [2 shared])
3. Toulo de Graffenried 22 (3 2nds, 1 3rd)
4. Louis Rosier 12 (2 3rds)
5. Onofre Marimón 9 (1 2nd)
6. Art Cross 8 (1 win)
7. Ken Wharton 7 (1 3rd)
8. Harry Schell 6.5 (2 4ths [1 shared])
9. Prince Bira 6 (1 2nd)
10. Roberto Mieres 6 (1 2nd)
11. Oscar Alfredo Gálvez 6 (1 2nd)
12. Hermann Lang 6 (1 2nd)
13. Jean Behra 6 (1 3rd)
14. Jacques Swaters 4 (1 3rd)
15. Duane Carter 3 (1 2nd [shared])
16. Jack McGrath 3 (1 4th)
17. Peter Whitehead 3 (1 4th)
18. Umberto Maglioli 3 (1 4th)
19= Fred Agabashian 2 (1 3rd [shared])
19= Paul Russo 2 (1 3rd [shared])
21. Sergio Mantovani 2 (1 3rd [shared])
22. John Barber 2 (1 5th)
23. Jimmy Daywalt 2 (1 5th)
24. Hans Herrmann 2 (1 5th)
25. Max de Terra 2 (1 5th)

It was a 3 horse race going into the penultimate race of the season in Switzerland, but local driver de Graffenried retired, putting him out of contention. Bonetto could still take the title at Monza, but he ran out of fuel with 3 laps remaining, while Villoresi took his 4th win of the season, giving him a maximum 32 points and his 2nd title in 3 years. Between them, Villoresi and Bonetto win every race, bar the Indy 500 which is won by Art Cross.

First win: Cross
First podium: Marimón, Mieres, Gálvez, Lang, Swaters, Agabashian, Russo, Mantovani
Unrejectification: Schell, Maglioli

Warren Hughes · Post by **Warren Hughes** » 14 Dec 2010, 01:15

*bump*
I just remembered about this. Not sure if anyone cares but I'm posting it anyway and hopefully will update it a bit more quickly in future!

1954

Points system: 8-6-4-3-2; best five results count for the championship. Shared drives count for half points (including if they were shared with a real life winner). Indy 500 counts towards championship.

1. Karl Kling 26 (2 wins, 1 2nd, 1 3rd)
2. Roberto Mieres 20 (1 win, 2 2nds)
3. Sergio Mantovani 16 (2 2nds, 1 3rd)
4. Hans Herrmann 14 (1 win, 1 2nd)
5. Prince Bira 14 (2 2nds, 1 3rd)
6. André Pilette 10 (1 win)
7. Harry Schell 10 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
8. Louis Rosier 9 (3 4ths)
9. Umberto Maglioli 8 (1 win [shared], 2 5ths)
10. Onofre Marimón 8 (1 win)
11. Elie Bayol 8 (1 win)
12. Jack McGrath 8 (1 win)
13. Robert Manzon 8 (1 2nd)
14. Ken Wharton 8 (2 4ths)
15. Fred Wacker 4 (1 3rd)
16. Mike Nazaruk 4 (1 3rd)
17. Paco Godia 4 (1 3rd)
18. Duane Carter 3 (1 2nd [shared])
19. Luigi Villoresi 3 (1 4th)
20. Toulo de Graffenried 3 (1 4th)
21. Fred Agabashian 3 (1 4th)
22. Jean Behra 2 (1 5th, 1 6th)
23. Don Freeland 2 (1 5th)

Championship leader Kling, in his first season in F1, secured the title with 2nd place at the final round in Spain, with challengers Mantovani, Herrmann and Bira all failing to score. Mieres, although already out of the title race, took his first win to snatch 2nd in the standings. Jack McGrath wins the Indy 500, having taken a shared 2nd place in 1951, and 4th place in 1953.

First win: Bayol, McGrath, Pilette, Kling, Marimón, Herrmann, Maglioli, Mieres
First podium: Schell, Godia, Wacker
Unrejectification: nobody else!

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 14 Dec 2010, 12:06

I'll definitely care about it once you reach the 80s/90s/00s (though I don't know who most of the 50s/60s non-winners are)!

Warren Hughes · Post by **Warren Hughes** » 15 Dec 2010, 00:03

I've been surprised at the quality of some of the non-winners from this era to be honest - the likes of Kling, Villoresi and Behra seem to me like drivers who ought to have won a race at some point in their careers. However, the relatively few championship grands prix that were held then has meant this alternative championship is of much higher quality in the 50s (and presumably the 60s) than I guess it will be in the 90s and 2000s.

Warren Hughes · Post by **Warren Hughes** » 18 Dec 2010, 22:19

1955

Points system: 8-6-4-3-2; best five results count for the championship. Shared drives count for half points (including if they were shared with a real life winner). Indy 500 counts towards championship.

This season was truncated as four grands prix were cancelled in the wake of the Le Mans disaster, leaving just seven championship events.

1. Eugenio Castellotti 25 (2 wins, 2 2nds [1 shared])
2. Jean Behra 17.5 (3 2nds [2 shared], 1 3rd)
3. Roberto Mieres 17 (1 win, 1 2nd [shared], 1 3rd)
4. Karl Kling 11 (1 win, 1 2nd [shared])
5. Paul Frère 8 (1 win)
6. Cesare Perdisa 7 (1 2nd [shared], 1 3rd)
7. Jimmy Davies 6 (1 2nd)
8. Umberto Maglioli 5.67 (1 win [shared with 2 others])
9. Louis Rosier 5 (1 4th)
10= Tony Bettenhausen 4 (1 win [shared])
10= Paul Russo 4 (1 win [shared])
12. Luigi Villoresi 4 (1 3rd)
13. Carlos Menditeguy 4 (1 3rd)
14. Johnny Thomson 4 (1 3rd)
15. Mike Sparken 4 (1 3rd)
16. Harry Schell 3.5 (1 4th [shared])
17. Hans Herrmann 3 (1 2nd [shared])
18. Hernando da Silva Ramos 3 (1 4th)
19. Lance Macklin 3 (1 4th)
20. Louis Chiron 3 (1 4th)
21. Jacques Pollet 2 (1 5th, 1 6th)
22. Andy Linden 2 (1 5th)
23= Walt Faulkner 1.5 (1 4th [shared])
23= Bill Homeier 1.5 (1 4th [shared])
25. Ken Wharton 1 (1 5th [shared])
26. Sergio Mantovani 1 (1 5th [shared])

Going into the final round at Monza, four drivers remained in contention for the championship, but it was Mieres who looked best placed of anyone to deny leader Castellotti the world title. However the Italian secured the championship crown in style with a win at his home grand prix, over 3 minutes ahead of Behra, whose 2nd place was just enough to pip Mieres for 2nd in the standings. A tragic Indy 500 in which Bill Vukovich (twice a winner IRL) suffered a fatal accident, was won by the car shared between Tony Bettenhausen and Paul Russo.

First win: Castellotti, Bettenhausen, Russo, Frère
First podium: Perdisa, Davies, Thomson, Sparken, Menditeguy
Unrejectification: Faulkner, Homeier, Ramos, Pollet

Warren Hughes · Post by **Warren Hughes** » 02 Jan 2011, 17:54

A double header tonight, brace yourselves!

1956

Points system: 8-6-4-3-2; best five results count for the championship. Shared drives count for half points (including if they were shared with a real life winner). Indy 500 counts towards championship.

1. Jean Behra 36 (3 wins, 2 2nds)
2. Paco Godia 14 (2 2nds)
3. Eugenio Castellotti 11 (1 win, 1 2nd [shared])
4. Ron Flockhart 8 (1 win)
5. Don Freeland 8 (1 win)
6. Paul Frère 8 (1 win)
7. Jack Fairman 8 (2 3rds)
8. Cesare Perdisa 7 (1 2nd [shared], 1 3rd [shared])
9. Louis Rosier 7 (1 3rd)
10. Dick Rathmann 6 (1 2nd)
11. Luigi Villoresi 5 (1 4th)
12. Alfonso de Portago 4 (1 win [shared])
13. Hernando da Silva Ramos 4 (1 3rd)
14. Harry Schell 4 (1 3rd)
15. Olivier Gendebien 4 (1 3rd)
16. Bob Veith 4 (1 3rd)
17. André Pilette 3.5 (1 4th [shared])
18. Gerino Gerini 3 (1 2nd [shared])
19. Chico Landi 3 (1 2nd [shared])
20. Horace Gould 3 (1 4th, 1 6th)
21. Luigi Piotti 3 (1 4th)
22. Jimmy Reece 3 (1 4th)
23. Cliff Griffith 2 (1 5th)
24. Toulo de Graffenried 2 (1 5th)
25= Alberto Uria 1.5 (1 4th [shared])
25= Oscar González 1.5 (1 4th [shared])
27. Elie Bayol 1.5 (1 4th [shared])

Jean Behra finally took his first win at the first race in Argentina, and went on to dominate the championship, so that going into the British GP he had the opportunity to wrap up the title with two races to spare. He needed to score six points more at Silverstone than closest rival Castellotti, and succeeded, finishing 2nd with Castellotti not scoring down in 9th. Behra then put the gloss on his world title with victory in Germany. The Indy 500 was won by Don Freeland.

First win: Behra, Freeland, de Portago, Flockhart
First podium: Fairman, Gerini, Landi, Gendebien, Ramos, Rathmann, Veith
Unrejectification: Gould, Griffith, Uria, González, Piotti

Warren Hughes · Post by **Warren Hughes** » 02 Jan 2011, 18:24

1957

Points system: 8-6-4-3-2; best five results count for the championship. Shared drives count for half points (including if they were shared with a real life winner). Indy 500 counts towards championship.

A tragic year saw former world champion Eugenio Castellotti killed in testing in March, and 1956 British GP winner Alfonso de Portago crash fatally into the crowd in the Mille Miglia. Castellotti's death left just one former champion in the field - reigning champion Jean Behra. The Frenchman looked favourite for a second title, but would be closely challenged by Maserati teammate Harry Schell.

1. Harry Schell 29 (2 wins, 2 2nds [1 shared], 1 3rd)
2. Masten Gregory 26 (2 wins, 1 2nd, 1 3rd)
3. Jean Behra 22 (2 wins, 1 2nd)
4. Stuart Lewis-Evans 14 (1 2nd, 2 3rds)
5. Giorgio Scarlatti 9 (1 2nd [shared])
6. Roy Salvadori 8 (1 win)
7. Paul Russo 8 (1 win)
8. Carlos Menditeguy 6 (1 2nd)
9. Andy Linden 6 (1 2nd)
10. Bob Gerard 6 (1 2nd)
11. Paco Godia 4 (1 3rd)
12. Johnny Boyd 4 (1 3rd)
13. Horace Gould 3 (1 4th)
14. Ivor Bueb 3 (1 4th)
15. Marshall Teague 3 (1 4th)
16. Mike MacDowel 2 (1 3rd [shared])
17. Bruce Halford 2 (1 5th)
18. Pat O'Connor 2 (1 5th)
19. Alfonso de Portago 1.5 (1 4th [shared])
20= André Simon 1 (1 5th [shared])
20= Ottorino Volonterio 1 (1 5th [shared])
22. Cesare Perdisa 0.67 (1 5th [shared 2 ways])

A topsy-turvy season ended with a two-way shootout at Monza between Schell and Behra, with Schell having a four point advantage. Behra led early on, before Lewis-Evans took over, but then both retired on the same lap, Behra with an overheating problem and Lewis-Evans with an engine problem. This handed the title to Schell and the win to fellow American Gregory, who consequently overhauled Behra in the championship standings. Schell had already retired his car, but took over Scarlatti's and brought it home in 2nd place to finish his season in style, becoming the first non-European to win the world championship. Meanwhile, in the Indy 500, Paul Russo took his second win, and this time didn't even have to share it. As an interesting aside, a new record was set in Monaco where there were only two classified finishers.

First win: Schell, Gregory, Salvadori
First podium: Lewis-Evans, Gerard, Boyd, MacDowel, Scarlatti
Unrejectification: Teague, Bueb

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 03 Jan 2011, 23:37

Paco Godia in 2nd

Edit: 4000th post! HUZZAH!

Warren Hughes · Post by **Warren Hughes** » 05 Jan 2011, 17:14

Reject eligibility question: In the late 50s, F2 cars raced alongside F1 cars at certain events in order to boost grid sizes, but were not eligible to score points. If, for example, an F2 car finished 4th, and the driver in question entered no other grands prix in his career, that means he scored no points in his career, but IS HE A REJECT? In other words, does his non-points-scoring 4th place unrejectify him?

Also, shared drives were not awarded points after 1957, but I have a case of a shared car winning a race the following year. Do I award them victory but not award them any points? It's one of the drivers' first (and I suspect only) win.

Warren Hughes · Post by **Warren Hughes** » 21 Feb 2011, 21:31

Huge bump. I worked 1958 out a couple of months ago and am only posting it now. Hence I can't remember anything about the season. I'm hoping to get as far as 1960 tonight.

1958

Points system: 8-6-4-3-2; best six results count for the championship. Shared drives no longer count for points, and the manufacturers' championship is introduced, but only the top placed driver for each manufacturer scores manufacturers' points. Indy 500 still counts towards drivers' championship, but doesn't count towards constructors' championship as it is run to a different formula.

Drivers
1. Harry Schell 38 (42) (3 wins, 1 2nd, 3 3rds)
2. Roy Salvadori 36 (41) (2 wins, 2 2nds, 2 3rds)
3. Stuart Lewis-Evans 22 (2 wins, 1 2nd)
4. Cliff Allison 21 (2 2nds, 1 3rd)
5. Jean Behra 20 (1 win, 2 2nds)
6. Gerino Gerini 8 (1 win)
7. George Amick 8 (1 win)
8. Masten Gregory 6 (1 2nd; also 1 shared win)
9. Johnny Boyd 6 (1 2nd)
10. Carlos Menditeguy 4 (1 3rd)
11. Tony Bettenhausen 4 (1 3rd)
12. Carroll Shelby 3 (1 4th; also 1 shared win)
13. Paco Godia 3 (1 4th)
14. Olivier Gendebien 3 (1 4th)
15. Jack Fairman 3 (1 4th)
16. Jimmy Reece 3 (1 4th)
17. Hans Herrmann 2 (1 5th)
18. Carel Godin de Beaufort 2 (1 5th)
19. Horace Gould 2 (1 5th)
20. Don Freeland 2 (1 5th)
21. Edgar Barth 0 (1 2nd [F2])
22. Ian Burgess 0 (1 3rd [F2])
23. Tony Marsh 0 (1 4th [F2])

Manufacturers
1. BRM 38
2. Cooper-Climax 36
3. Maserati 25
4. Vanwall 22
5. Lotus-Climax 21
6. Ferrari 3
7. Porsche 2

Harry Schell becomes the first driver to successfully defend the world championship, but is pushed close by the consistent Salvadori. Schell's BRM team took the manufacturers' title from Salvadori's Cooper. However the season was marred by three fatal accidents for Luigi Musso, Peter Collins and Stuart Lewis-Evans.

First win: Amick, Lewis-Evans, Gerini, Shelby (shared drive - no points scored)
First podium: Allison, Barth (F2 - no points scored), Burgess (F2 - no points scored)
Unrejectification: Marsh (F2 - no points scored)

Warren Hughes · Post by **Warren Hughes** » 21 Feb 2011, 22:50

1959

Points system: 8-6-4-3-2; best five results count for the championship. Only the top placed driver for each manufacturer scores manufacturers' points. Indy 500 counts towards drivers' championship, but not towards constructors' championship.

Drivers
1. Harry Schell 28 (1 win, 2 2nds, 2 3rds)
2. Masten Gregory 20 (2 wins, 1 3rd)
3. Roy Salvadori 18 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd)
4. Olivier Gendebien 14 (1 win, 1 2nd)
5. Cliff Allison 12 (1 win, 1 3rd)
6. Ron Flockhart 9 (1 2nd)
7. Ian Burgess 8 (1 win)
8. Johnny Thomson 8 (1 win)
9. Harry Blanchard 8 (1 win)
10. Jean Behra 6 (1 2nd)
11. Tony Bettenhausen 6 (1 2nd)
12. Carroll Shelby 5 (1 4th)
13. Carel Godin de Beaufort 5 (1 4th)
14. Paul Goldsmith 4 (1 3rd)
15. Giorgio Scarlatti 3 (1 4th)
16. Alan Stacey 3 (1 4th)
17. Johnny Boyd 3 (1 4th)
18. Colin Davis 2 (1 5th)
19. Duane Carter 2 (1 5th)
20. Chris Bristow 2 (1 5th)

Manufacturers
1. BRM 30
2. Ferrari 22
3. Cooper-Climax 20
4. Cooper-Maserati 18
5. Aston Martin 13
6. Porsche 11
7. Maserati 3
8. Lotus-Climax 3
9. Cooper-Borgward 2

Roy Salvadori left Cooper after winning the Monaco Grand Prix to join the new Aston Martin works team (recently profiled on F1 rejects!) leaving Masten Gregory to lead Cooper's charge against reigning champion Schell in the BRM. However, Schell was assured of the title when Gregory wasn't entered in the final two Grands Prix of the season. Sadly, former champion Jean Behra died this year in a sportscar race at AVUS. Both the Monaco and US Grands Prix saw just one finisher; at Sebring, this was Harry Blanchard, who consequently won his only world championship Grand Prix.

First win: Thomson, Gendebien, Burgess, Allison, Blanchard
First podium: Goldsmith
Unrejectification: de Beaufort, Stacey

Warren Hughes · Post by **Warren Hughes** » 21 Feb 2011, 23:06

What do I do if nobody finishes a race? It must have happened to people before in other alternative championships.

Post by **tommykl** » 22 Feb 2011, 18:32

Warren Hughes wrote:What do I do if nobody finishes a race? It must have happened to people before in other alternative championships.

I just don't count the results for it. I'm guessing it happened to you?

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 22 Feb 2011, 18:54

The closest I got was in Backwards Elimination, only Martin Brundle finished the 1985 South African Grand Prix - in real life there was 7 finishers of which Brundle was last, all all the top 6 (Mansell, Rosberg, Prost, Johansson, Berger and Boutsen all won championships after that and so were eliminated!)

Warren Hughes · Post by **Warren Hughes** » 22 Feb 2011, 21:30

It happened at Monaco 1960. The nine who were classified in that race all won Grands Prix (Moss, McLaren, Phil Hill, Brooks, Bonnier, Ginther, Graham Hill, von Trips, Ireland). I'm just going to do as Tommy suggested and not count the points from that race. 1960 coming up, and it's a good one for our Belgian contingent!

Warren Hughes · Post by **Warren Hughes** » 22 Feb 2011, 22:16

1960

Points system: 8-6-4-3-2-1 (6th place scores for the first time). Best six results count for the championship. The Indy 500 counts towards the drivers' championship for the last time.

Drivers
1. Olivier Gendebien 32 (3 wins, 1 2nd)
2. Henry Taylor 22 (2 wins, 1 2nd)
3. Willy Mairesse 8 (1 win)
4. Cliff Allison 8 (1 win)
5. Paul Goldsmith 8 (1 win)
6. Jim Hall 8 (1 win)
7. Roy Salvadori 6 (1 2nd)
8. Lucien Bianchi 6 (1 2nd)
9. Carlos Menditeguy 6 (1 2nd)
10. Don Branson 6 (1 2nd)
11. Carel Godin de Beaufort 6 (1 2nd)
12. Giulio Cabianca 6 (1 2nd)
13. Masten Gregory 6 (3 5ths)
14. Chuck Daigh 4 (1 3rd)
15. Ron Flockhart 4 (1 3rd)
16. David Piper 4 (1 3rd)
17. Alberto Rodriguez Larreta 4 (1 3rd)
18. Johnny Thomson 4 (1 3rd)
19. Hans Herrmann 4 (1 3rd)
20. Brian Naylor 3 (1 4th)
21. Bruce Halford 3 (1 4th)
22. Roberto Bonomi 3 (1 4th)
23. Eddie Johnson 3 (1 4th)
24. Edgar Barth 3 (1 4th)
25. Pete Lovely 3 (1 4th)
26. Lloyd Ruby 2 (1 5th)
27. Piero Drogo 2 (1 5th)
28. Gino Munaron 2 (2 6ths)
29. Ian Burgess 1 (1 6th)
30. Bob Veith 1 (1 6th)
31. Wolfgang Seidel 1 (1 6th)
32. Bob Drake 1 (1 6th)

Manufacturers
1. Cooper-Climax 46 (48)
2. Lotus-Climax 20
3. Ferrari 16
4. Cooper-Castellotti 10
5. Cooper-Maserati 10
6. Porsche 4
7. Scarab 4
8. JBW-Maserati 3
9. Behra-Porsche-Porsche 2
10. Maserati 2

Reigning triple world champion Harry Schell was tragically killed in practice for a non-championship event in May, meaning he was unable to defend his title. In a season marked by inconsistency, only Gendebien and Taylor finished on the podium more than once. Each only entered five events, but Gendebien scored points at all five, making him the first Belgian world champion. Jim Hall wins the US GP at Riverside in his first Grand Prix start.

First win: Goldsmith, Taylor, Mairesse, Hall
First podium: Rodriguez Larreta, de Beaufort, Branson, Bianchi, Piper, Cabianca, Daigh
Unrejectification: Halford, Johnson, Bonomi, Naylor, Lovely

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 22 Feb 2011, 22:45

Since I'm now on a light alternative post, I'll post my predictions for 1970 - 2010 and hide them so people who don't want to be spoiled don't have to be!

1970-1972 all Chris Amon
1973 Arturo Merzario
1974 Mike Hailwood
1975-1976 Tom Pryce
1977 Hans-Joachim Stuck
1978 Brett Lunger!!!!
1979-1980 Jean-Pierre Jarier
1981 Eddie Cheever
1982 Derek Daly
1983 Eddie Cheever
1984 Derek Warwick
1985-1987 all Stefan Johansson
1988-1989 Derek warwick
1990 Alex Caffi
1991 Andrea De Cesaris!!!!
1992-1993 Martin Brundle
1994 Christian Fittipaldi (I don't think Brundle finishes enough times)
1995 Mark Blundell
1996 Martin Brundle
1997 Shinji Nakano!!!
1998-1999 Alex Wurz
2000 Mika Salo
2001-2002 Nick Heidfeld
2003 Cristiano Da Matta
2004-2007 are already posted here
2008 Nick Heidfeld
2009-2010 Nico Rosberg.

Of course Heidfeld and Rosberg could potentially win races in 2011 so lots of those recent ones could change!