Sutil involved in alleged bar fight post-China GP

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 13 May 2011, 19:50

DanielPT wrote:
jackanderton wrote:Who is overrating Sutil? No-one's tipping him as a future world champion- he's linked with obvious seats like Merc and Renault as a step up to his good performances for Force India. No-one's gone remotely over the top about him. When he isn't glassing people in the face I have to mention him just so he gets talked about.

Linked maybe, but a serious contender? I don't know about that. For the Merc seat both Di Resta and Hülkenberg are ahead of him. Specially after Di Resta matching his pace. Renault has Heidfeld, Petrov and Kubica. And then they have Senna and Grosjean waiting in the wings. And Renault usually gives the second seat to one of their test drivers. Eventually if Kubica doesn't come back he could be seriously considered.

Other seats are difficult too. Red Bull has its own line of drivers. They have Buemi, Alguersuari and Ricciardo in line and more in lower formulas. All three mentioned are probably capable of matching Sutil. Ferrari may have a seat in 2013 (Massa has been confirmed for 2012). They would be looking for someone fast but unable to match Alonso. In here, Sutil name can be involved specially since Kubica, who was rumoured to take the job, go injured. If he comes back strongly though, it's probably game over. Nevertheless other names can enter the mix. Guys like Glock, Kovalainen or Kobayashi. Then you have Sauber, which are betting in newcomers and Toro Rosso, which is about the same, choosing between Red Bull backed drivers. Williams might have the need to use an experienced driver if Barrichello eventually retires but right now they far from being a better seat. Lotus aren't better either and are probably only viewed as a F1 career saving move. HRT and Virgin will look into pay drivers with a lot of cash.

I love the use of the word "if", implying Barrichello may never retire. I think you may be right though.

For the vacant Ferrari seat, what about Mansell? He hasn't officially retired has he? :lol:

patrick · Post by **patrick** » 13 May 2011, 19:59

redbulljack14 wrote:
For the vacant Ferrari seat, what about Mansell? He hasn't officially retired has he?

Let's not forget Martin Brundle, he's still waiting on that jordan seat for 1997!

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 13 May 2011, 23:00

redbulljack14 wrote:
DanielPT wrote:
jackanderton wrote:Who is overrating Sutil? No-one's tipping him as a future world champion- he's linked with obvious seats like Merc and Renault as a step up to his good performances for Force India. No-one's gone remotely over the top about him. When he isn't glassing people in the face I have to mention him just so he gets talked about.

Linked maybe, but a serious contender? I don't know about that. For the Merc seat both Di Resta and Hülkenberg are ahead of him. Specially after Di Resta matching his pace. Renault has Heidfeld, Petrov and Kubica. And then they have Senna and Grosjean waiting in the wings. And Renault usually gives the second seat to one of their test drivers. Eventually if Kubica doesn't come back he could be seriously considered.

Other seats are difficult too. Red Bull has its own line of drivers. They have Buemi, Alguersuari and Ricciardo in line and more in lower formulas. All three mentioned are probably capable of matching Sutil. Ferrari may have a seat in 2013 (Massa has been confirmed for 2012). They would be looking for someone fast but unable to match Alonso. In here, Sutil name can be involved specially since Kubica, who was rumoured to take the job, go injured. If he comes back strongly though, it's probably game over. Nevertheless other names can enter the mix. Guys like Glock, Kovalainen or Kobayashi. Then you have Sauber, which are betting in newcomers and Toro Rosso, which is about the same, choosing between Red Bull backed drivers. Williams might have the need to use an experienced driver if Barrichello eventually retires but right now they far from being a better seat. Lotus aren't better either and are probably only viewed as a F1 career saving move. HRT and Virgin will look into pay drivers with a lot of cash.

I love the use of the word "if", implying Barrichello may never retire. I think you may be right though.

For the vacant Ferrari seat, what about Mansell? He hasn't officially retired has he?

Infering that Barrichello must one day retire is blasphemy! :lol:

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 13 May 2011, 23:02

patrick wrote:
redbulljack14 wrote:
For the vacant Ferrari seat, what about Mansell? He hasn't officially retired has he?

Let's not forget Martin Brundle, he's still waiting on that jordan seat for 1997!

Also suzuki promised him 6 races in a car if he ever sert up an f1 team

jackanderton · Post by **jackanderton** » 14 May 2011, 09:14

Linked maybe, but a serious contender? I don't know about that. For the Merc seat both Di Resta and Hülkenberg are ahead of him. Specially after Di Resta matching his pace. Renault has Heidfeld, Petrov and Kubica. And then they have Senna and Grosjean waiting in the wings. And Renault usually gives the second seat to one of their test drivers. Eventually if Kubica doesn't come back he could be seriously considered.

Other seats are difficult too. Red Bull has its own line of drivers. They have Buemi, Alguersuari and Ricciardo in line and more in lower formulas. All three mentioned are probably capable of matching Sutil. Ferrari may have a seat in 2013 (Massa has been confirmed for 2012). They would be looking for someone fast but unable to match Alonso. In here, Sutil name can be involved specially since Kubica, who was rumoured to take the job, go injured. If he comes back strongly though, it's probably game over. Nevertheless other names can enter the mix. Guys like Glock, Kovalainen or Kobayashi. Then you have Sauber, which are betting in newcomers and Toro Rosso, which is about the same, choosing between Red Bull backed drivers. Williams might have the need to use an experienced driver if Barrichello eventually retires but right now they far from being a better seat. Lotus aren't better either and are probably only viewed as a F1 career saving move. HRT and Virgin will look into pay drivers with a lot of cash.

All neatly helping my point that Sutil is not overrated.

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 14 May 2011, 21:26

jackanderton wrote:
Linked maybe, but a serious contender? I don't know about that. For the Merc seat both Di Resta and Hülkenberg are ahead of him. Specially after Di Resta matching his pace. Renault has Heidfeld, Petrov and Kubica. And then they have Senna and Grosjean waiting in the wings. And Renault usually gives the second seat to one of their test drivers. Eventually if Kubica doesn't come back he could be seriously considered.

Other seats are difficult too. Red Bull has its own line of drivers. They have Buemi, Alguersuari and Ricciardo in line and more in lower formulas. All three mentioned are probably capable of matching Sutil. Ferrari may have a seat in 2013 (Massa has been confirmed for 2012). They would be looking for someone fast but unable to match Alonso. In here, Sutil name can be involved specially since Kubica, who was rumoured to take the job, go injured. If he comes back strongly though, it's probably game over. Nevertheless other names can enter the mix. Guys like Glock, Kovalainen or Kobayashi. Then you have Sauber, which are betting in newcomers and Toro Rosso, which is about the same, choosing between Red Bull backed drivers. Williams might have the need to use an experienced driver if Barrichello eventually retires but right now they far from being a better seat. Lotus aren't better either and are probably only viewed as a F1 career saving move. HRT and Virgin will look into pay drivers with a lot of cash.

All neatly helping my point that Sutil is not overrated.

I think he may be overrated in some places outside F1 but, inside, it doesn't look good for him.

Frentzen127 · Post by **Frentzen127** » 15 May 2011, 01:43

I think he is overrated as a murderer.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 15 May 2011, 08:31

He can still be a pianist, and start a fight with anyone who doesn't clap at the end of a performance.

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 15 May 2011, 08:36

redbulljack14 wrote:He can still be a pianist, and start a fight with anyone who doesn't clap at the end of a performance.

...or join the WWE... :mrgreen:

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 16 May 2011, 11:34

Cynon wrote:
redbulljack14 wrote:He can still be a pianist, and start a fight with anyone who doesn't clap at the end of a performance.

...or join the WWE...

Or better yet, join NASCAR!

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 16 May 2011, 15:56

Cynon wrote:
redbulljack14 wrote:He can still be a pianist, and start a fight with anyone who doesn't clap at the end of a performance.

...or join the WWE...

He could have a bar fight with Stone Cold Steve Austin.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 16 May 2011, 16:29

Sutil's not overrated. It has the reputation he deserves. What's for sure is, he won't be overrated at all at any point after this incident.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 16 May 2011, 19:07

Autosport have only just caught up with this story...

patrick · Post by **patrick** » 16 May 2011, 19:19

dr-baker wrote:Autosport have only just caught up with this story...

only because lux/his lawyers just released an official statement - which is pretty much the first bit of confirmed news about the incident. Autosport doesn't like messing with half-truths and unconfirmed tales (i think they've been sued before)

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 16 May 2011, 19:26

Sutil's day's could be numbered in F1.....

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 16 May 2011, 19:44

Why Numbered?

Sacked because he punched an executive from a team that isnt Force India?

Ferrim · Post by **Ferrim** » 16 May 2011, 20:49

If Sutil tells Mallya that the Renault guy was laughing about his beard, he may still save his seat.

patrick · Post by **patrick** » 16 May 2011, 20:50

ADx_Wales wrote:Why Numbered?

Sacked because he punched an executive from a team that isnt Force India?

I can't see Mallaya being very happy, after all, the team promotes several different alcoholic drinks, and if Sutil was under the influence during this incident then having him part of that promotion and sponsorship is a bit irresponsible for the image.

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 16 May 2011, 21:20

Why do they advertise when they know stuff like this happens when people have had too much to drink, and some of them may be road using members of the public? No matter what kind of message the "Drink Responsibly" Camaign tries to send out, it doesnt stop people acting like complete decades on nights out when they've had one too many.

White and McKay.....scottish drink.....Aly.....if your reading this....Sutil's actions in the Chinese bar, if this were to happen in Glasgow, what would happen?

Fine and a Statement of Apology, thats all that can come out of this.

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 16 May 2011, 21:23

I find this line rather alarming:

"Furthermore, please note that Mr Eric Lux does not exclude commencing an action against any other persons involved in this matter."

Does that actually mean Hamilton was more involved than he's letting on?

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 16 May 2011, 21:32

ADx_Wales wrote:Why do they advertise when they know stuff like this happens when people have had too much to drink, and some of them may be road using members of the public? No matter what kind of message the "Drink Responsibly" Camaign tries to send out, it doesnt stop people acting like complete decades on nights out when they've had one too many.

White and McKay.....scottish drink.....Aly.....if your reading this....Sutil's actions in the Chinese bar, if this were to happen in Glasgow, what would happen?

Fine and a Statement of Apology, thats all that can come out of this.

IF it were to happen in glasgow it would go something like this

AS] Oi see ytou jimmy am gonnae glass ye

Followed by the connection of forehead to nose....

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 16 May 2011, 21:36

Mister Lux Is It aye....well it Lux like eem aboot to kick yar heed in.

GwilymJJames · Post by **GwilymJJames** » 17 May 2011, 01:13

ADx_Wales wrote:Fine and a Statement of Apology, thats all that can come out of this.

Bit more than that, surely? If he's assaulted someone and he's going to court over it... won't look good for Force India to keep employing a possible criminal, and, I'm no legal expert, but could he go to jail over this?

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 17 May 2011, 02:03

GwilymJJames wrote:
ADx_Wales wrote:Fine and a Statement of Apology, thats all that can come out of this.

Bit more than that, surely? If he's assaulted someone and he's going to court over it... won't look good for Force India to keep employing a possible criminal, and, I'm no legal expert, but could he go to jail over this?

Force India spend more time in the courts than just about any other team so I think it won't be too much of a hassle. :lol:

LionZoo · Post by **LionZoo** » 17 May 2011, 03:26

GwilymJJames wrote:
ADx_Wales wrote:Fine and a Statement of Apology, thats all that can come out of this.

Bit more than that, surely? If he's assaulted someone and he's going to court over it... won't look good for Force India to keep employing a possible criminal, and, I'm no legal expert, but could he go to jail over this?

Unless Sutil was arrested by government authorities, he won't be going to jail. If it's just a suit, probably all that can be recovered is damages. (Full disclosure: I haven't read the article.)

jackanderton · Post by **jackanderton** » 17 May 2011, 10:22

Eric Lux is pressing charges?

Not very Bond villainy is it?

He should invite Adrian into his amphibious spider monolith and then deathtrap him into a shark tank.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 17 May 2011, 15:05

jackanderton wrote:Eric Lux is pressing charges?

Not very Bond villainy is it?

He should invite Adrian into his amphibious spider monolith and then deathtrap him into a shark tank.

Or, better still, recreate a gruesome scene from Hostel 2 that I won't describe here.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 17 May 2011, 18:07

WeirdKerr wrote:
ADx_Wales wrote:Why do they advertise when they know stuff like this happens when people have had too much to drink, and some of them may be road using members of the public? No matter what kind of message the "Drink Responsibly" Camaign tries to send out, it doesnt stop people acting like complete decades on nights out when they've had one too many.

White and McKay.....scottish drink.....Aly.....if your reading this....Sutil's actions in the Chinese bar, if this were to happen in Glasgow, what would happen?

Fine and a Statement of Apology, thats all that can come out of this.

IF it were to happen in glasgow it would go something like this

AS] Oi see ytou jimmy am gonnae glass ye

Followed by the connection of forehead to nose....

Ah yes, the classic Glasgow Kiss...used it a couple of times myself. Very effective.

Depending on the situation, I'd also be tempted to pick up a bar stool and whack him across the face with it while he's on his knees from the headbutt.

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 18 May 2011, 06:46

kostas22 wrote:
WeirdKerr wrote:
ADx_Wales wrote:Why do they advertise when they know stuff like this happens when people have had too much to drink, and some of them may be road using members of the public? No matter what kind of message the "Drink Responsibly" Camaign tries to send out, it doesnt stop people acting like complete decades on nights out when they've had one too many.

White and McKay.....scottish drink.....Aly.....if your reading this....Sutil's actions in the Chinese bar, if this were to happen in Glasgow, what would happen?

Fine and a Statement of Apology, thats all that can come out of this.

IF it were to happen in glasgow it would go something like this

AS] Oi see ytou jimmy am gonnae glass ye

Followed by the connection of forehead to nose....

Ah yes, the classic Glasgow Kiss...used it a couple of times myself. Very effective.

Depending on the situation, I'd also be tempted to pick up a bar stool and whack him across the face with it while he's on his knees from the headbutt.

And then shout 'flawless victory'!

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 18 May 2011, 08:15

Faustus wrote:
kostas22 wrote:
Ah yes, the classic Glasgow Kiss...used it a couple of times myself. Very effective.

Depending on the situation, I'd also be tempted to pick up a bar stool and whack him across the face with it while he's on his knees from the headbutt.

And then shout 'flawless victory'!

That is perhaps what Sutil shouted after glassing Lux.

jpm · Post by **jpm** » 18 May 2011, 08:40

Assault and grevious bodily harm are both criminal offences, but it is unlikely that Sutil will be sent to prison; if Lux was going for grevious bodily harm with intent, then Sutil could get a prison sentence (depends on the severity). In this case it is likely that he will get a referral order or something minor as he is a first time offender and not a reknowned trouble maker. However, I think an out-of-court settlement out of the public eye view is far more likely for both parties.

Law GCSE knowledge win!

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 18 May 2011, 14:27

Adrian Sutil? More like Adrian Savage.

MaxZero · Post by **MaxZero** » 18 May 2011, 15:20

Phoenix wrote:Adrian Sutil? More like Adrian Savage.

that didn't work

Nehoo, is an out of court settlement actually likely? Someone in the Sutil camp mentioned they had tried to get through to Lux a number of times and gotten no responce. Sounds like Lux is the bitter type and is going for everything he can get.

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 18 May 2011, 15:38

MaxZero wrote:
Phoenix wrote:Adrian Sutil? More like Adrian Savage.

that didn't work

Nehoo, is an out of court settlement actually likely? Someone in the Sutil camp mentioned they had tried to get through to Lux a number of times and gotten no responce. Sounds like Lux is the bitter type and is going for everything he can get.

While not trying to defend Lux, I understand his position. I someone stuck broken glass in my neck I too would be pissed off and probably wanted some sort of payback. Obviously I don't know what really happened besides this, but, even if Lux looked for the fight and provoked Sutil, nothing really justifies broken glass in his neck. A few bruises and a black eye would be normal, but not this.

MaxZero · Post by **MaxZero** » 19 May 2011, 08:43

According to this account he didn't actually mean to glass him, just throw a drink over him

http://www.motorsport.com/#/f1/article/ ... &id=405227

My interpretation of this is that in the act of throwing the drink, Sutil either let go of the glass sending drink and receptacle at him, or didn't stop thrusting the drink forward after it passed the point when the contents would be launched and twatted him with it.

If your pissed, both are plausible. Not excusable mind, it's still moronic inebriated retaliative behaviour

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 19 May 2011, 13:45

Well, at least if Sutil loses his seat it would mean Hulkenberg is back. Good change if you ask me

deivison · Post by **deivison** » 23 May 2011, 00:30

Comedy F1 - 2011: Adrian Sutil reviving the myth of Rocky Balboa

Text: Vicente Gonzalez de Mello

Nosso querido Adrian Sutil, não contente em brigar por posições nas pistas, consegui se envolver em mais uma situação embaraçosa fora das pistas. No final de semana do GP da China, ele teria se envolvido em uma briga numa casa noturna em Xangai com o diretor-presidente do Grupo Genii, Eric Lux que foi atingido pelo piloto germânico no pescoço, sendo necessário 24 pontos para o ferimento ser fechado.
Além das acusações feitas na época por Eric, surgiu, agora, uma nota oficial afirmando que o piloto será processado por agressão e danos físicos graves, com um pedido de indenização de aproximadamente R$ 23 milhões. Seguindo o empresário do piloto, Manfred Zimmerman , o piloto tentou entrar em contato com Lux, mas não consegui sucesso. “Qualquer um que conheça Adrian sabe que ele não machucaria ninguém intencionalmente", disse Zimmerman. "Quanto à lesão, Adrian lamenta muito, mas foi um infeliz acidente, sem intenção", acrescentou o empresário de Sutil.
Na mesma nota em que anunciou que processaria Adrian, Lux deu a entender que mais outras pessoas poderão ser acionadas na justiça. "O Sr. Eric Lux não exclui dar queixa também contra qualquer outra pessoal envolvida no caso”, diz o comunicado. Os relatos sobre a briga dão conta de que Lewis Hamilton, amigo de Sutil, foi, ao menos, testemunha do acontecido.

E agora vamos mostrar uma montagem que um grande amigo nosso nós enviou por e-mail, para nós do portalsportszone, uma semelhança com o Rocky, mesmo que esse Rocky seja da Alemanha.

Traduzam para o forum do F1 Rejects

he fights for his parents
he is struggling in Germany

Adrian Sutil in

Rocky VII

Coming Soon in Cinema

Fonte: http://www.portalsportszone.com.br/noti ... ia_110.htm

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 25 May 2011, 20:51

The wrestling image of him as Austin made me laugh. Murray Walker could be The Rock. Obviously not in the same image though.

Murray: Jean Denis, what are you doing?
JDD: Well..
Murray: IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU'RE DOING!

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 13 Jan 2012, 08:52

And the muppet of the year 2011 award goes to...

eagleash · Post by **eagleash** » 13 Jan 2012, 10:17

Wizzie wrote:And the muppet of the year 2011 award goes to...

Likely takes him out of the driver market until this is resolved.