Possible updates to "Hall of Shame"

ibsey · Post by **ibsey** » 20 May 2011, 18:06

DanielPT wrote:
dr-baker wrote:
ibsey wrote:I think an honourably mention in the "With Apologies to Rembrandt" award should go to The Hesketh 308D (used between 1976 & 1977), where Penthouse became the first - and so far - only porn peddling sponsor in F1.

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=h ... 29,r:5,s:0

In these more politically correct times, its hard to imagine F1's bigger corporates players feeling comfortable about lining up next to a purveyor of adults-only material, but at the time Penthouse's sponsorship was apparently more a source of mild amusement in the paddock than anything else. More Benny Hill than Graham Hill it has to be said.

Don't forget that Surtees at a similar time was sponsored by Durex, manufacturers of speciality rubber balloons...:

I actually like this last Durex livery.

Ah yes. I read in Murray Walker's autobiography, that the reason the BBC refused to show the 1976 British GP on TV was because of the Durex livery. The race, which was held at Brands Hatch that year, was due to be broadcast live on TV. However prior to its start the BBC had a massive row with Surtees, because they wouldn't remove the Durex livery and that was the reason that BBC TV withdrew their cameras from the race.

Ironically I reckon Durex got much more publicity from this controversy, than they probably would have done, had BBC not kicked up a fuss. So I bet Durex were pretty pleased!

Incidentally Before Surtees, in 1975 Durex sponsored the Lola/Chevrolet T400 of Richard Scott in the British F5000 Championship. When the Beeb showed one of the races live, his team had to remove all sponsor stickers from the car. Trouble was, Scott won that race (IIRC it was his only ever win in F5000), and appeared at the podium celebrations with his helmet, complete with Durex logo! :lol:

Here's a photo of the car...

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=h ... 80&bih=905

DOSBoot · Post by **DOSBoot** » 20 May 2011, 21:13

I kind of like the livery for some strange reason. Hell, if NASCAR can allow advertisements for medication for "erectile dysfunctions", then I don't see why there shouldn't be ads for condoms, and pornography in F1.

FMecha · Post by **FMecha** » 21 May 2011, 12:09

^Placing these non-family friendly sponsors (well, this is a family friendly forum after all) is a BS.

Anyways, in the past I had proposed about lucky bastard for teams. Here's my proposal:

1. Leyton House
2. BMS Scuderia Italia
3. Auto Technisches Spezialzubehör (the German ATS)

Discuss.

DOSBoot · Post by **DOSBoot** » 21 May 2011, 16:57

FMecha wrote:^Placing these non-family friendly sponsors (well, this is a family friendly forum after all) is a BS.

Anyways, in the past I had proposed about lucky bastard for teams. Here's my proposal:

1. Leyton House
2. BMS Scuderia Italia
3. Auto Technisches Spezialzubehör (the German ATS)

Discuss.

Beatrice Haas Lola would be a good contender.

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 23 May 2011, 12:05

DOSBoot wrote:I kind of like the livery for some strange reason. Hell, if NASCAR can allow advertisements for medication for "erectile dysfunctions", then I don't see why there shouldn't be ads for condoms, and pornography in F1.

The rule in NASCAR is that you can display the logos for those products, but the car can not explicitly say what they are, to clarify.

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 23 May 2011, 14:09

DOSBoot wrote:I kind of like the livery for some strange reason. Hell, if NASCAR can allow advertisements for medication for "erectile dysfunctions", then I don't see why there shouldn't be ads for condoms, and pornography in F1.

Pornography? That should be good!

ibsey · Post by **ibsey** » 23 May 2011, 16:49

How about an award for "honoury rejects"

For F1 drivers who retired & then when on to become a reject in something else other than driving in F1?

My nominations for this award;

1. Jacques Villeneueve & his singing career - JV what where you thinking?

2. Kimi Rakkionen & his short lived WRC career - swapped a Ferrari for a Citroen, need I say anymore?

3. Alain Prost trying to run his own team - When your team isn't getting results & the team resort to protesting & undertake strike (i.e. like before quali in France 2000), that's probably not a good sign.

dnhrudi · Post by **dnhrudi** » 24 May 2011, 14:40

I think Penthouse continued to sponsor Keegan at RAM in 1980, and Arrows in 81, Merzario's funeral parlor decals still make me laugh even now. More soberly and If I remember rightly Death cigs were negotiating with one of the major F1 teams in late 93-early 94, needless to say the deal didnt reach fruition......

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 24 May 2011, 15:03

dnhrudi wrote: More soberly and If I remember rightly Death cigs were negotiating with one of the major F1 teams in late 93-early 94, needless to say the deal didnt reach fruition......

Welcome to F1 Rejects, where Pacific is considered "one of the major F1 teams"!

DOSBoot · Post by **DOSBoot** » 29 May 2011, 20:08

Here's a couple more I came up with.

"A Bad Day at the Office" Awarded to the race that had an unusually high number of attrition throughout the race.

1. 1996 Monaco Grand Prix
2. 1989 United States Grand Prix
3. 1982 Monaco Grand Prix

"Close, but no Cigar" Awarded to the driver that had the driver's championship in their grasp, only to f*** it up at the last minute.

1. Carlos Ruetemann: 1981
2. Clay Regazzoni: 1974
3. Fernando Alonso: 2010

tc3j3r · Post by **tc3j3r** » 29 May 2011, 21:48

Surely Lewis Hamilton in 2007 has to be a contender for 'Close but no Cigar'?

DOSBoot · Post by **DOSBoot** » 29 May 2011, 21:52

Oh yeah, I forgot about that one.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 30 May 2011, 01:43

You could also include the 2008 Australian Grand Prix and the 2010 Monaco Grand Prix in the "Bad day at the Office" award.

ibsey · Post by **ibsey** » 30 May 2011, 02:52

For the "Bad day at the Office" award i'd like to nominate the 1996 Spanish GP - where only 6 cars finished & Pedro Diniz scored a 6th place.

& the 1998 Belgian GP, again only 6 cars finished & our old friend Pedro went one better, by netting a 5th position.

ibsey · Post by **ibsey** » 30 May 2011, 03:06

A few more for the 'Close but no Cigar'? award;

1983 - Alain Prost & the whole of the Renualt team. Apparently Renault were so confident they would win the title (before the final race) they put up a load of posters advertising themselves as World Champion in Paris & brought a number of French Journalists to report on them winning the title. Serves them right for being too cocky.

1986 - Mansell / Piquet & Williams. Great example of how to lose a WC in one easy step.

1989 - Senna. Perhaps he should have been a tad more cautious in trying to pass his hated rival whom stated before the race, "he would win at any cost".

1997 (& 1998 to an extent) - M Schumi, couldn't you have just slip Bernie 50 quid to fix the race for you, instead of ramming JV off the road?

DOSBoot · Post by **DOSBoot** » 30 May 2011, 05:09

Here's one more.

"The Mickey Mouse Club" Awarded to the tracks that had the most bland, repetitive, and boring design in F1 history.

1. AVUS: 1959
2. Caesars Palace Grand Prix: 1981-1982
3. Nivelles-Baulers: 1972, 1974

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 30 May 2011, 05:15

DOSBoot wrote:Here's one more.

"The Mickey Mouse Club" Awarded to the tracks that had the most bland, repetitive, and boring design in F1 history.

1. AVUS: 1959
2. Caesars Palace Grand Prix: 1981-1982
3. Nivelles-Baulers: 1972, 1974

You're missing Bugatti, which definitely should be number 1 (you know you're in trouble when the sport swears never to return!).

DOSBoot · Post by **DOSBoot** » 30 May 2011, 05:21

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:You're missing Bugatti, which definitely should be number 1 (you know you're in trouble when the sport swears never to return!).

Well, the Bugatti Circuit is a good motorbike track. True, it has more chicanes now, than it did then. But I think it's a little too harsh to put that track on my list. Especially number one.

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 30 May 2011, 06:06

DOSBoot wrote:
Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:You're missing Bugatti, which definitely should be number 1 (you know you're in trouble when the sport swears never to return!).

Well, the Bugatti Circuit is a good motorbike track. True, it has more chicanes now, than it did then. But I think it's a little too harsh to put that track on my list. Especially number one.

But the point is you said in F1 History!

dnhrudi · Post by **dnhrudi** » 30 May 2011, 08:09

dr-baker wrote:
dnhrudi wrote: More soberly and If I remember rightly Death cigs were negotiating with one of the major F1 teams in late 93-early 94, needless to say the deal didnt reach fruition......

Welcome to F1 Rejects, where Pacific is considered "one of the major F1 teams"!

Yep, as any good Merzario fan would

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 30 May 2011, 13:29

Zeltweg airfield for Mickey Mouse!

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 31 May 2011, 17:26

DOSBoot wrote:Here's one more.
"The Mickey Mouse Club" Awarded to the tracks that had the most bland, repetitive, and boring design in F1 history.
1. AVUS: 1959
2. Caesars Palace Grand Prix: 1981-1982
3. Nivelles-Baulers: 1972, 1974

Anderstorp isn't a particularly exciting circuit. Ditto Ain-Diab, which has a rather nastier reason for its inherent rejectfulness.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 01 Jun 2011, 00:22

dinizintheoven wrote:
DOSBoot wrote:Here's one more.
"The Mickey Mouse Club" Awarded to the tracks that had the most bland, repetitive, and boring design in F1 history.
1. AVUS: 1959
2. Caesars Palace Grand Prix: 1981-1982
3. Nivelles-Baulers: 1972, 1974

Anderstorp isn't a particularly exciting circuit. Ditto Ain-Diab, which has a rather nastier reason for its inherent rejectfulness.

In all fairness, that was hardly the circuit's fault.

dnhrudi · Post by **dnhrudi** » 01 Jun 2011, 05:10

I hate Zolder with a vengeance, it says something when the only thing that can make a place interesting is rain........

DOSBoot · Post by **DOSBoot** » 01 Jun 2011, 20:07

It's not that Zolder was really a bad track, it was just a rather narrow track which made passing rather difficult. Plus it was way too small for F1 cars in my opinion. It's a good cycle track though.

DOSBoot · Post by **DOSBoot** » 04 Jun 2011, 17:47

Here's another one.

"Don't Quit You're Day Job" Awarded to the driver who had a good carrer in F1, only to leave it for a rather rejectful career in another motorsport.

1. Nigel Mansell's very short lived BTCC career.
2. Kimi Raikkonen's short lived WRC career.
3. Nelson Piquet's Indy 500 attempts.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 04 Jun 2011, 18:34

DOSBoot wrote:Here's another one.

"Don't Quit You're Day Job" Awarded to the driver who had a good carrer in F1, only to leave it for a rather rejectful career in another motorsport.

1. Nigel Mansell's very short lived BTCC career.
2. Kimi Raikkonen's short lived WRC career.
3. Nelson Piquet's Indy 500 attempts.

I'd say Raikkonen's WRC career was more rejectful than Mansell in BTCC - Mansell did have one good race, but I'm pretty sure Raikkonen spent most of his time in the hedge. BTW, if Raikkonen's NASCAR efforts don't pan out, would that mean he would appear on the podium twice?

DOSBoot · Post by **DOSBoot** » 04 Jun 2011, 19:01

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:I'd say Raikkonen's WRC career was more rejectful than Mansell in BTCC - Mansell did have one good race, but I'm pretty sure Raikkonen spent most of his time in the hedge. BTW, if Raikkonen's NASCAR efforts don't pan out, would that mean he would appear on the podium twice?

Probably. But it would be for both in one award if that doesn't work out for him. As for Mansell, sure he had one great race, but unlike Will Hoy, he wasn't a consistent driver.

ibsey · Post by **ibsey** » 04 Jun 2011, 20:53

Without looking up his post F1 results, how about H H Frentzen?

I saw him in the German GT series last night & was surprised to see H H Frentzen near the back of the pack. I think he also completed in DTM immediately after he left F1, but I'm not sure how well he did.

Also didn't JV have a crack at truck racing also? Would he be a nomination?

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 06 Jun 2011, 19:27

Frentzen got four 3rd places in DTM.

Ralf had pretty dismal first three seasons there. This year he has done much better though, one second and one third place which means he has only one point less this year after three races than he had in his first three seasons together.

Revelo89 · Post by **Revelo89** » 13 Jun 2011, 23:24

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
DOSBoot wrote:Here's another one.

"Don't Quit You're Day Job" Awarded to the driver who had a good carrer in F1, only to leave it for a rather rejectful career in another motorsport.

1. Nigel Mansell's very short lived BTCC career.
2. Kimi Raikkonen's short lived WRC career.
3. Nelson Piquet's Indy 500 attempts.

I'd say Raikkonen's WRC career was more rejectful than Mansell in BTCC - Mansell did have one good race, but I'm pretty sure Raikkonen spent most of his time in the hedge. BTW, if Raikkonen's NASCAR efforts don't pan out, would that mean he would appear on the podium twice?

If you can't appreciate the masterclass of Donnington 98 then it would make me sad ;

Mansell was unlucky not to win that one. Racing at some of it's finest, Touring Cars hasn't gotten back to the heights of the mid-90's IMO.

ibsey · Post by **ibsey** » 15 Jun 2011, 17:01

How about this;

The much coverted; "Throwing your toys of the pram" award.

Given to those drivers who appear to have a decent ride, only to then pull a massive hissy fit.

1. Alonso going into self destruct mode at Mclaren, 2007.

2. Hamilton's "Is it because I is black" Ali G impression after Monaco 2011.

3. Rubens Barrichello "the team made me lose the race" outburst after Nurburgring 2009.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 16 Jun 2011, 22:47

Alan Jones' crybaby reactions after Carlos Reutemann refused to let him by at the 1981 Brazilian GP.

ibsey · Post by **ibsey** » 17 Jun 2011, 00:19

I'm sure their are lots of Mansell examples waiting to be unearthed for this one. But the funniest one that springs to mind is after his retirement in the 1991 San Marino GP. Nigel 'conversation' with his race engineer David Brown (which appears on the 1991 Season Review video...although film from a safe distance), when something like this.

Nigel; Have you ever tried changing down from 6th gear straight down to 2nd?

David Brown; No.

Nigel (sarcastically saying); If you haven't tried it, I wouldn't recommend it!!! The Gearbox is a f**king joke. I'd work my way up, then I get stuff up the back by Brundle, F**king disgrace.

Also no need to do a Hall of Shame award for funny pitlane antics as this website already has it covered...
http://richardsf1.com/2011/04/18/top-10 ... -blunders/

DOSBoot · Post by **DOSBoot** » 19 Jun 2011, 02:40

Here's another one.

"Monaco Is Not My Bag Baby" Awarded to the drivers who never seemed to get a victory at Monaco. Despite their unlimitless talent.

1. Nigel Mansell
2. Damon Hill
3. Jim Clark

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 29 Jun 2011, 14:11

Another possible Lucky Bastard to consider: Marc Gene

A 6th place at Minardi only when Luca Badoer's car broke down, although he managed to hold off Eddie Irvine. And a 5th place for Williams after Ralf Schumacher missed the Italian Grand Prix in 2003 due to injuries.

Only just got out of rejectdom, that's a lucky bastard if you ask me.

stupot94 · Post by **stupot94** » 03 Aug 2011, 11:26

Lucky Bastard. Tiago Monteiro

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 03 Aug 2011, 11:35

stupot94 wrote:Lucky Bastard. Tiago Monteiro

That means Narain Karthikeyan also.

stupot94 · Post by **stupot94** » 03 Aug 2011, 13:29

redbulljack14 wrote:
stupot94 wrote:Lucky Bastard. Tiago Monteiro

That means Narain Karthikeyan also.

yes

DOSBoot · Post by **DOSBoot** » 09 Aug 2011, 02:40

Okay, here's some more suggestions for you.

"Something Wicked this Way Comes" Awarded to the team that were constructors champions the previous year, only to have a dismal season the following year.

1. Ferrari in 1980.
2. Lotus in 1979.
3. Williams in 1998.

"Show me the Money!!!" Awarded to the drivers who had such a ridiculous salary, you wonder how the team stayed afloat.

1. Kimi Raikkonen at Ferrari.
2. Nigel Mansell at Williams.
3. Niki Lauda at Brabham.