The 'No Tricolour Nations' + 'CART Points System'
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The 'No Tricolour Nations' + 'CART Points System'
Hello there. I'm back, with another alternative championship that will most likely never be finished. It's simple, drivers representing nations who have a 'tricolour flag'. I will also be using the CART points system, which was a 20-16-14-12-10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1. Since Fastest lap data is limited, I will only award an extra point for pole position.
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Re: The 'No Tricolour Nations' + 'CART Points System'
1950 *Indy 500 NOT INCLUDED
Prince Bira- 38 (1 Win, 2 Poles)
Peter Whitehead- 36 (1 Win)
Toulo de Graffenried- 36 (1 Win)
Louis Chiron- 33 (1 Win, 1 Pole)
Bob Gerard- 30
Toni Branca- 26
Reg Parnell - 22 (1 Win, 2 Poles)
Geoff Crossley- 21 (1 Win, 1 Pole)
Cuth Harrison- 14
Harry Schell- 14
David Hampshire- 12
Joe Fry- 10
Brian Shawe Taylor- 10
Prince Bira- 38 (1 Win, 2 Poles)
Peter Whitehead- 36 (1 Win)
Toulo de Graffenried- 36 (1 Win)
Louis Chiron- 33 (1 Win, 1 Pole)
Bob Gerard- 30
Toni Branca- 26
Reg Parnell - 22 (1 Win, 2 Poles)
Geoff Crossley- 21 (1 Win, 1 Pole)
Cuth Harrison- 14
Harry Schell- 14
David Hampshire- 12
Joe Fry- 10
Brian Shawe Taylor- 10
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Re: The 'No Tricolour Nations' + 'CART Points System'
1951*Indy 500 NOT INCLUDED
Toulo de Graffenried- 42 (2 Wins, 2 Poles)
Reg Parnell- 41 (2 Wins, 1 Pole)
Louis Chiron- 34 (2 Poles)
Rudi Fischer- 21 (1 Win, 1 Pole)
Peter Walker- 16
Stirling Moss- 14
Brian Shawe Taylor- 14
Peter Whitehead- 13 (1 Pole)
Rudi Fischer- 12
Harry Schell- 10
Bob Gerard- 10
Duncan Hamilton- 8
*Chiron was the only starter in Belgium, and DNF'd! No race points awarded.
**Fischer was the only starter in Germany.
***No finishers in Italy.
****de Graffenried the only finisher in Spain.
Toulo de Graffenried- 42 (2 Wins, 2 Poles)
Reg Parnell- 41 (2 Wins, 1 Pole)
Louis Chiron- 34 (2 Poles)
Rudi Fischer- 21 (1 Win, 1 Pole)
Peter Walker- 16
Stirling Moss- 14
Brian Shawe Taylor- 14
Peter Whitehead- 13 (1 Pole)
Rudi Fischer- 12
Harry Schell- 10
Bob Gerard- 10
Duncan Hamilton- 8
*Chiron was the only starter in Belgium, and DNF'd! No race points awarded.
**Fischer was the only starter in Germany.
***No finishers in Italy.
****de Graffenried the only finisher in Spain.
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Re: The 'No Tricolour Nations' + 'CART Points System'
1952*Indy 500 NOT INCLUDED
Mike Hawthorn- 63 (3 Wins, 3 Poles)
Rudi Fischer- 59 (2 Wins, 2 Poles)
Lance Macklin- 42
Alan Brown- 38
Ken Wharton- 32
Chico Landi- 30 (1 Win)
Peter Hirt- 24
Eric Brandon- 22
Peter Collins- 21 (1 Win, 1 Pole)
Dennis Poore- 16
Duncan Hamilton- 16
Eitel Cantoni- 14
Eric Thompson- 14
Reg Parnell- 12
Dennis Poore- 12
Toulo de Graffenried- 12
Eric Brandon- 10
Roy Salvadori- 10
Robert O'Brien- 10
Ken Downing- 9 (1 Pole)
Tony Gaze- 8
Peter Whitehead- 6
Prince Bira- 5
Graham Whitehead- 4
Kenneth McAlpine- 1
*Fischer was the only finisher in Germany.
Mike Hawthorn- 63 (3 Wins, 3 Poles)
Rudi Fischer- 59 (2 Wins, 2 Poles)
Lance Macklin- 42
Alan Brown- 38
Ken Wharton- 32
Chico Landi- 30 (1 Win)
Peter Hirt- 24
Eric Brandon- 22
Peter Collins- 21 (1 Win, 1 Pole)
Dennis Poore- 16
Duncan Hamilton- 16
Eitel Cantoni- 14
Eric Thompson- 14
Reg Parnell- 12
Dennis Poore- 12
Toulo de Graffenried- 12
Eric Brandon- 10
Roy Salvadori- 10
Robert O'Brien- 10
Ken Downing- 9 (1 Pole)
Tony Gaze- 8
Peter Whitehead- 6
Prince Bira- 5
Graham Whitehead- 4
Kenneth McAlpine- 1
*Fischer was the only finisher in Germany.
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Re: The 'No Tricolour Nations' + 'CART Points System'
1953*Indy 500 NOT INCLUDED
Mike Hawthorn- 164 (7 Wins, 8 Poles)
Toulo de Graffenried- 68 (1 Win)
Harry Schell- 30
Ken Wharton- 30
Peter Collins- 26
Stirling Moss- 26
Prince Bira- 16
John Barber- 14
Bob Gerard- 14
Max de Terra- 14
Alan Brown- 12
Fred Wacker- 12
Peter Whitehead- 12
Rodney Nuckey- 12
Albert Scherrer- 12
Kenneth McAlpine- 10
Louis Chiron- 10
Mike Hawthorn- 164 (7 Wins, 8 Poles)
Toulo de Graffenried- 68 (1 Win)
Harry Schell- 30
Ken Wharton- 30
Peter Collins- 26
Stirling Moss- 26
Prince Bira- 16
John Barber- 14
Bob Gerard- 14
Max de Terra- 14
Alan Brown- 12
Fred Wacker- 12
Peter Whitehead- 12
Rodney Nuckey- 12
Albert Scherrer- 12
Kenneth McAlpine- 10
Louis Chiron- 10
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Re: The 'No Tricolour Nations' + 'CART Points System'
1954*Indy 500 NOT INCLUDED
In Argentina, Mike Hawthorn took a commanding pole, but was disqualified while in a comfortable lead due to a push start. American Harry Schell took advantage of this and won the opening race. Prince Bira came home in a distant second, with 1953's 'best of the rest' de Graffenried coming third. Hawthorn took another pole in Belgium, but once again ran into race problems, and this gave Stirling Moss an opportunity to record his first win. Hawthorn ended up in second, with Bira finishing third and taking the championship lead. In France, Prince Bira dominated the field, taking pole and the win, and also ending up as the only finisher. This left the Thai prince with a 33 point advantage over Moss and Schell. In Britain, the field was dominated by Brits, and more so by Hawthorn, who took pole, and lapped the whole field at least 4 times! Bira crashed out on lap 44. At the intimidating German GP, Hawthorn repeated his dominance, lapping second placed Schell. They were the only finishers. Bira retired with steering problems, and relinquished the title lead in favour of Hawthorn. In Switzerland, Moss upset the favourite, Hawthorn, and took pole. Neither one of them would survive the race, however, and Ken Wharton was the only finisher, in turn taking victory. Bira was absent in Italy, and Hawthorn took full advantage, doing the double, and lapping second placed Fred Wacker a total of 4 times. The Englishman had sealed the title for the second time in a row. He then finished the season in style, completing another double, and lapping second placed Wharton 6 times, and third placed Bira a whopping 12 times.
Mike Hawthorn- 102 (4 Wins, 6 Poles)
Prince Bira- 67 (1 Win, 1 Pole)
Ken Wharton- 52 (1 Win)
Harry Schell- 46 (1 Win)
Stirling Moss- 33 (1 Win, 1 Pole)
Fred Wacker- 16
Toulo de Graffenried- 14
Bob Gerard- 14
Peter Collins- 14
Don Beauman- 12
Leslie Marr- 8
Leslie Thorne- 6
Horace Gould- 5
In Argentina, Mike Hawthorn took a commanding pole, but was disqualified while in a comfortable lead due to a push start. American Harry Schell took advantage of this and won the opening race. Prince Bira came home in a distant second, with 1953's 'best of the rest' de Graffenried coming third. Hawthorn took another pole in Belgium, but once again ran into race problems, and this gave Stirling Moss an opportunity to record his first win. Hawthorn ended up in second, with Bira finishing third and taking the championship lead. In France, Prince Bira dominated the field, taking pole and the win, and also ending up as the only finisher. This left the Thai prince with a 33 point advantage over Moss and Schell. In Britain, the field was dominated by Brits, and more so by Hawthorn, who took pole, and lapped the whole field at least 4 times! Bira crashed out on lap 44. At the intimidating German GP, Hawthorn repeated his dominance, lapping second placed Schell. They were the only finishers. Bira retired with steering problems, and relinquished the title lead in favour of Hawthorn. In Switzerland, Moss upset the favourite, Hawthorn, and took pole. Neither one of them would survive the race, however, and Ken Wharton was the only finisher, in turn taking victory. Bira was absent in Italy, and Hawthorn took full advantage, doing the double, and lapping second placed Fred Wacker a total of 4 times. The Englishman had sealed the title for the second time in a row. He then finished the season in style, completing another double, and lapping second placed Wharton 6 times, and third placed Bira a whopping 12 times.
Mike Hawthorn- 102 (4 Wins, 6 Poles)
Prince Bira- 67 (1 Win, 1 Pole)
Ken Wharton- 52 (1 Win)
Harry Schell- 46 (1 Win)
Stirling Moss- 33 (1 Win, 1 Pole)
Fred Wacker- 16
Toulo de Graffenried- 14
Bob Gerard- 14
Peter Collins- 14
Don Beauman- 12
Leslie Marr- 8
Leslie Thorne- 6
Horace Gould- 5
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Re: The 'No Tricolour Nations' + 'CART Points System'
1955*Indy 500 NOT INCLUDED
Entering it's 6th year, the World Drivers' Championship is still not a popular series, with a whole bunch of 'Non-championship races' popular instead. Harry Schell and Stirling Moss are the only entrants in the opener, Moss beating Schell home by more than 5 laps. At Monaco, champion Hawthorn finally turns up in a Vanwall, and old-timer Louis Chiron is present as well. Despite the tough competition, Chiron won the race, beating Moss, who was leading until engine problems occurred. Nobody else was classified. In Belgium, three cars were entered for Moss, Hawthorn and Schell, but Schell failed to start the race. Hawthorn retired early on with gearbox issues, leaving Stirling Moss to romp to victory. In The Netherlands, 5 cars were present, and Hawthorn, now in a Ferrari, was as hungry as ever. He pushed Moss to the brink in quali, but ultimately he was let down by machinery in the race, but still managed to crawl home in second, scoring his first points. Newcomer Hernando da Silva Ramos from Brazil scored a third place. At Aintree, the grid was filled with prospective Brits, as usual. But not even Hawthorn could stop Moss, who took his second straight double, lapping second placed Hawthorn 3 times in the process. In Italy, Moss took pole, and retired, but there was nothing at stake, as Moss had sealed the title ages ago. Hawthorn finally took victory, being the only finisher. A miserable season for the triple-champ. It was total domination by Moss, however, who took pole at all the races, and won 4 out of 6 races.
Stirling Moss- 86 (4 Wins, 6 Poles)
Mike Hawthorn- 52 (1 Win)
Harry Schell- 28
Louis Chiron- 20 (1 Win)
Hernando da Silva Ramos- 14
Lance Macklin- 14
Ken Wharton- 12
Entering it's 6th year, the World Drivers' Championship is still not a popular series, with a whole bunch of 'Non-championship races' popular instead. Harry Schell and Stirling Moss are the only entrants in the opener, Moss beating Schell home by more than 5 laps. At Monaco, champion Hawthorn finally turns up in a Vanwall, and old-timer Louis Chiron is present as well. Despite the tough competition, Chiron won the race, beating Moss, who was leading until engine problems occurred. Nobody else was classified. In Belgium, three cars were entered for Moss, Hawthorn and Schell, but Schell failed to start the race. Hawthorn retired early on with gearbox issues, leaving Stirling Moss to romp to victory. In The Netherlands, 5 cars were present, and Hawthorn, now in a Ferrari, was as hungry as ever. He pushed Moss to the brink in quali, but ultimately he was let down by machinery in the race, but still managed to crawl home in second, scoring his first points. Newcomer Hernando da Silva Ramos from Brazil scored a third place. At Aintree, the grid was filled with prospective Brits, as usual. But not even Hawthorn could stop Moss, who took his second straight double, lapping second placed Hawthorn 3 times in the process. In Italy, Moss took pole, and retired, but there was nothing at stake, as Moss had sealed the title ages ago. Hawthorn finally took victory, being the only finisher. A miserable season for the triple-champ. It was total domination by Moss, however, who took pole at all the races, and won 4 out of 6 races.
Stirling Moss- 86 (4 Wins, 6 Poles)
Mike Hawthorn- 52 (1 Win)
Harry Schell- 28
Louis Chiron- 20 (1 Win)
Hernando da Silva Ramos- 14
Lance Macklin- 14
Ken Wharton- 12
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Re: The 'No Tricolour Nations' + 'CART Points System'
1956*Indy 500 NOT INCLUDED
The 1956 season started with an exciting race in Argentina. Reigning champion Stirling Moss edged out Mike Hawthorn to take pole position. The race was equally exciting, with Hawthorn tailing Moss throughout. It seemed as though Moss would win the opener, until his engine blew, leaving Hawthorn to take victory ahead of Chico Landi and Alberto Uria. Monaco was a total walkover for Moss, although Peter Collins started catching him at the end. da Silva Ramos came in a distant third, while Hawthorn didn't even start the race with engine valve problems. Belgium was looking to be another lopsided race, with Moss taking another pole, and leading quite comfortably for the first 10 laps. Then, his wheel began causing problems, and this allowed Peter Collins to overtake him, and take victory, with Harry Schell coming in third. Mike Hawthorn did not participate. In France, Collins put up a stunning performance to take pole, with Harry Schell taking a shock second. Schell, however, retired early with engine problems, but there were no such issues for Collins, who romped to victory, a full two laps ahead of Moss in second. da Silva Ramos took another solid third place, with Hawthorn in fourth. Now back in Silverstone, after a year at Aintree, Moss took pole, ahead of Hawthorn and Collins. Collins had a good start, and battled with Moss for most of the race, until Moss' axle gave way. This allowed Collins to take a third straight victory ahead of Jack Fairman and Horace Gould. The win also gave Collins the championship lead, 5 points ahead of Moss. Collins, now on a high, took his second pole in Germany, but is quickly sidelined with a fuel leak. Only Moss survives the race of attrition, and takes home some precious 20 points. It now goes down to the wire in Italy, and Moss takes pole position, his fifth of the season. In the race itself, Collins manages to keep close, but is unable to pass Moss for the lead. It ends with Moss in first, Collins in second and Ron Flockhart in third. Moss is champion for a second time.
Stirling Moss- 97 (3 Wins, 5 Poles)
Peter Collins- 77 (3 Wins, 2 Poles)
Mike Hawthorn- 32 (1 Win)
Hernando da Silva Ramos- 30
Jack Fairman- 28
Harry Schell- 26
Horace Gould- 26
Chico Landi- 16
Alberto Uria- 14
Ron Flockhart- 14
Oscar González- 12
Bob Gerard- 12
Toulo de Graffenried- 10
Roy Salvadori- 8
The 1956 season started with an exciting race in Argentina. Reigning champion Stirling Moss edged out Mike Hawthorn to take pole position. The race was equally exciting, with Hawthorn tailing Moss throughout. It seemed as though Moss would win the opener, until his engine blew, leaving Hawthorn to take victory ahead of Chico Landi and Alberto Uria. Monaco was a total walkover for Moss, although Peter Collins started catching him at the end. da Silva Ramos came in a distant third, while Hawthorn didn't even start the race with engine valve problems. Belgium was looking to be another lopsided race, with Moss taking another pole, and leading quite comfortably for the first 10 laps. Then, his wheel began causing problems, and this allowed Peter Collins to overtake him, and take victory, with Harry Schell coming in third. Mike Hawthorn did not participate. In France, Collins put up a stunning performance to take pole, with Harry Schell taking a shock second. Schell, however, retired early with engine problems, but there were no such issues for Collins, who romped to victory, a full two laps ahead of Moss in second. da Silva Ramos took another solid third place, with Hawthorn in fourth. Now back in Silverstone, after a year at Aintree, Moss took pole, ahead of Hawthorn and Collins. Collins had a good start, and battled with Moss for most of the race, until Moss' axle gave way. This allowed Collins to take a third straight victory ahead of Jack Fairman and Horace Gould. The win also gave Collins the championship lead, 5 points ahead of Moss. Collins, now on a high, took his second pole in Germany, but is quickly sidelined with a fuel leak. Only Moss survives the race of attrition, and takes home some precious 20 points. It now goes down to the wire in Italy, and Moss takes pole position, his fifth of the season. In the race itself, Collins manages to keep close, but is unable to pass Moss for the lead. It ends with Moss in first, Collins in second and Ron Flockhart in third. Moss is champion for a second time.
Stirling Moss- 97 (3 Wins, 5 Poles)
Peter Collins- 77 (3 Wins, 2 Poles)
Mike Hawthorn- 32 (1 Win)
Hernando da Silva Ramos- 30
Jack Fairman- 28
Harry Schell- 26
Horace Gould- 26
Chico Landi- 16
Alberto Uria- 14
Ron Flockhart- 14
Oscar González- 12
Bob Gerard- 12
Toulo de Graffenried- 10
Roy Salvadori- 8
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Re: The 'No Tricolour Nations' + 'CART Points System'
1957*Indy 500 and F2 cars NOT INCLUDED
Stirling Moss began the year on a high, taking pole position, and he looked set to take victory, until his throttle linkage broke. His stop to fix it took an eternity, and Harry Schell edged out Peter Collins to take victory in Argentina. Moss eventually crossed the line third, the last finisher. Hawthorn retired early on with clutch problems. Peter Collins took pole at Monaco. Moss took the lead, but on lap 4, Moss went straight through the chicane, sending debris from the wrecked barrier crashing onto the circuit, with Collins crashing through the quayside barriers trying to avoid it. This allowed Tony Brooks to storm into the lead, but his race almost ended when Hawthorn hit him from behind. The triple champion was out, but Brooks soldiered on to win ahead of Masten Gregory, Stuart Lewis-Evans and Jack Brabham. In France, Schell took a slightly surprising pole position, but was caught out at the beginning by Collins and Hawthorn. Collins in turn pulled away from Hawthorn, and won the race by a substantial margin. In Britain, it was all about Brooks and Moss, with Hawthorn finishing behind them. In Germany, Hawthorn was the dominant force, taking pole position ahead of Collins, and finishing a full 30 seconds ahead of his teammate, to take the win, his first of the year. Moss finished third. At Pescara, Hawthorn and Collins were absent, leaving Moss to dominate the show from start to finish. The two Americans, Schell and Gregory, finished second and third. Once again, it would be a thriller at Monza. Collins led the way with 65 points, but Moss was only 2 points behind with 63. 2 points behind him was Harry Schell, with 61, with Hawthorn and Brooks still having a mathematical chance of winning. Sadly, it would be a huge anti-climax, with Moss taking a commanding win from pole. Collins' engine had failed him, meaning Stirling Moss was now a triple world champion. Gregory finished second with Schell in third.
Stirling Moss- 84 (3 Wins, 4 Poles)
Harry Schell- 75 (1 Win, 1 Pole)
Peter Collins- 65 (1 Win, 1 Pole)
Mike Hawthorn- 62 (1 Win, 1 Pole)
Tony Brooks- 58 (2 Wins)
Masten Gregory- 56
Stuart Lewis-Evans- 32
Jack Brabham- 32
Mike MacDowel- 12
Roy Salvadori- 10
Bob Gerard- 8
Horace Gould- 8
Bruce Halford- 6
Ottorino Volonterio- 6
Ivor Bueb- 5
Stirling Moss began the year on a high, taking pole position, and he looked set to take victory, until his throttle linkage broke. His stop to fix it took an eternity, and Harry Schell edged out Peter Collins to take victory in Argentina. Moss eventually crossed the line third, the last finisher. Hawthorn retired early on with clutch problems. Peter Collins took pole at Monaco. Moss took the lead, but on lap 4, Moss went straight through the chicane, sending debris from the wrecked barrier crashing onto the circuit, with Collins crashing through the quayside barriers trying to avoid it. This allowed Tony Brooks to storm into the lead, but his race almost ended when Hawthorn hit him from behind. The triple champion was out, but Brooks soldiered on to win ahead of Masten Gregory, Stuart Lewis-Evans and Jack Brabham. In France, Schell took a slightly surprising pole position, but was caught out at the beginning by Collins and Hawthorn. Collins in turn pulled away from Hawthorn, and won the race by a substantial margin. In Britain, it was all about Brooks and Moss, with Hawthorn finishing behind them. In Germany, Hawthorn was the dominant force, taking pole position ahead of Collins, and finishing a full 30 seconds ahead of his teammate, to take the win, his first of the year. Moss finished third. At Pescara, Hawthorn and Collins were absent, leaving Moss to dominate the show from start to finish. The two Americans, Schell and Gregory, finished second and third. Once again, it would be a thriller at Monza. Collins led the way with 65 points, but Moss was only 2 points behind with 63. 2 points behind him was Harry Schell, with 61, with Hawthorn and Brooks still having a mathematical chance of winning. Sadly, it would be a huge anti-climax, with Moss taking a commanding win from pole. Collins' engine had failed him, meaning Stirling Moss was now a triple world champion. Gregory finished second with Schell in third.
Stirling Moss- 84 (3 Wins, 4 Poles)
Harry Schell- 75 (1 Win, 1 Pole)
Peter Collins- 65 (1 Win, 1 Pole)
Mike Hawthorn- 62 (1 Win, 1 Pole)
Tony Brooks- 58 (2 Wins)
Masten Gregory- 56
Stuart Lewis-Evans- 32
Jack Brabham- 32
Mike MacDowel- 12
Roy Salvadori- 10
Bob Gerard- 8
Horace Gould- 8
Bruce Halford- 6
Ottorino Volonterio- 6
Ivor Bueb- 5
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Re: The 'No Tricolour Nations' + 'CART Points System'
1958*Indy 500 and F2 cars NOT INCLUDED
The Ferraris took the first two spots on the grid in the season opener in Argentina, with Hawthorn ahead of Collins. However, Collins didn't even get off the line, when his halfshaft broke. Hawthorn kept the lead for the first few leads, but Moss was flying, and after a few laps tailing Hawthorn, made his move and took the lead. The reigning champ was unstoppable after that, and took victory ahead of Hawthorn and Schell. Embarrassingly for Collins, he was the only retirement of the race. In Monaco, Tony Brooks, the winner from 1957, took pole, but was the second retirement when his engine suffered problems. Hawthorn looked as if he would challenge Collins for the lead, and set the fastest lap, but his fuel pump failed him 53 laps from the end. Collins took an easy win from Australian Jack Brabham and Schell. Allison was fourth, and the final finisher. Schell took the title lead, with 28 points, to Moss and Collins' 20 each. At Zandvoort, Stuart Lewis-Evans took a surprise pole in his Vanwall, and was leading from Moss with 30 laps to go, when his engine failed. This left Moss with no opposition, and he strolled to the checkered flag, with Schell nearly 50 seconds behind in second. Roy Salvadori took third. At Spa, Hawthorn took pole with Masten Gregory an impressive second. The American was unable to finish a single lap, however, when his engine blew up. Peter Collins' car succumbed to overheating. Up ahead, Brooks passed Hawthorn, and built up a healthy gap of 20 seconds. Hawthorn was unable to catch up, and Brooks took his first win of the season. Another first of 1958 was Stuart Lewis-Evans. He finished his first race of the year in third. Schell didn't have the best of races, and finished only fifth, but kept his championship lead thanks to Moss' retirement. At Reims, Hawthorn took pole, with Schell in second, and the two battled with each other for 40 laps, when Schell's BRM overheated and stopped. It was costly, as Moss had been running right behind him, and inherited second and a precious 16 points. Hawthorn took a comfortable victory, with Moss unable to do anything to close the gap in 10 laps. At Silverstone, Moss took pole, but his Vanwall was taken out of the race due to engine failure. Collins, Hawthorn and Salvadori took the first three spots, with Lewis-Evans fourth and Schell fifth. At the tricky Nordschleife, Hawthorn took pole, with Brooks alongside. The two ran close together for the majority of the race, until Hawtorn's clutch failed 4 laps from the end. This allowed Brooks to cruise to victory, and intensify the title race. There was heartbreak however, when it was announced that Peter Collins had died from a massive shunt 5 laps from the end. At the time, Collins was 28 points behind Hawthorn, the championship leader. In Porto, Moss did the double, and destroyed the field, with second placed Hawthorn a whole 5 minutes behind. Schell finished fourth to keep his title hopes alive. So on to Italy, and with a maximum of 42 points available, those still mathematically in the title fight were; Mike Hawthorn (99), Stirling Moss (78), Harry Schell (76) and Roy Salvadori (65). Moss took pole, but was once again let down by his ever so unreliable Vanwall. His teammate, Tony Brooks beat Hawthorn to the line, but it was all over in terms of the championship. Mike Hawthorn had 4 titles. It would turn out to be his last after his retirement and sudden death in 1959. At the finale in Morocco, Moss took the win, beating Hawthorn and Phil Hill.
Mike Hawthorn- 116 (1 Win, 4 Poles)
Stirling Moss- 99 (4 Wins, 3 Poles)
Harry Schell- 86
Roy Salvadori- 79
Tony Brooks- 67 (3 Wins, 1 Pole)
Cliff Allison- 57
Jack Brabham- 57
Peter Collins- 55 (2 Wins, 1 Pole)
Stuart Lewis-Evans- 41 (1 Pole)
Phil Hill- 36
Jo Bonnier- 32
Masten Gregory- 20
Carroll Shelby- 15
Horace Gould- 12
Graham Hill- 7
Troy Ruttman- 6
Jack Fairman- 5
Bruce McLaren- 2
The Ferraris took the first two spots on the grid in the season opener in Argentina, with Hawthorn ahead of Collins. However, Collins didn't even get off the line, when his halfshaft broke. Hawthorn kept the lead for the first few leads, but Moss was flying, and after a few laps tailing Hawthorn, made his move and took the lead. The reigning champ was unstoppable after that, and took victory ahead of Hawthorn and Schell. Embarrassingly for Collins, he was the only retirement of the race. In Monaco, Tony Brooks, the winner from 1957, took pole, but was the second retirement when his engine suffered problems. Hawthorn looked as if he would challenge Collins for the lead, and set the fastest lap, but his fuel pump failed him 53 laps from the end. Collins took an easy win from Australian Jack Brabham and Schell. Allison was fourth, and the final finisher. Schell took the title lead, with 28 points, to Moss and Collins' 20 each. At Zandvoort, Stuart Lewis-Evans took a surprise pole in his Vanwall, and was leading from Moss with 30 laps to go, when his engine failed. This left Moss with no opposition, and he strolled to the checkered flag, with Schell nearly 50 seconds behind in second. Roy Salvadori took third. At Spa, Hawthorn took pole with Masten Gregory an impressive second. The American was unable to finish a single lap, however, when his engine blew up. Peter Collins' car succumbed to overheating. Up ahead, Brooks passed Hawthorn, and built up a healthy gap of 20 seconds. Hawthorn was unable to catch up, and Brooks took his first win of the season. Another first of 1958 was Stuart Lewis-Evans. He finished his first race of the year in third. Schell didn't have the best of races, and finished only fifth, but kept his championship lead thanks to Moss' retirement. At Reims, Hawthorn took pole, with Schell in second, and the two battled with each other for 40 laps, when Schell's BRM overheated and stopped. It was costly, as Moss had been running right behind him, and inherited second and a precious 16 points. Hawthorn took a comfortable victory, with Moss unable to do anything to close the gap in 10 laps. At Silverstone, Moss took pole, but his Vanwall was taken out of the race due to engine failure. Collins, Hawthorn and Salvadori took the first three spots, with Lewis-Evans fourth and Schell fifth. At the tricky Nordschleife, Hawthorn took pole, with Brooks alongside. The two ran close together for the majority of the race, until Hawtorn's clutch failed 4 laps from the end. This allowed Brooks to cruise to victory, and intensify the title race. There was heartbreak however, when it was announced that Peter Collins had died from a massive shunt 5 laps from the end. At the time, Collins was 28 points behind Hawthorn, the championship leader. In Porto, Moss did the double, and destroyed the field, with second placed Hawthorn a whole 5 minutes behind. Schell finished fourth to keep his title hopes alive. So on to Italy, and with a maximum of 42 points available, those still mathematically in the title fight were; Mike Hawthorn (99), Stirling Moss (78), Harry Schell (76) and Roy Salvadori (65). Moss took pole, but was once again let down by his ever so unreliable Vanwall. His teammate, Tony Brooks beat Hawthorn to the line, but it was all over in terms of the championship. Mike Hawthorn had 4 titles. It would turn out to be his last after his retirement and sudden death in 1959. At the finale in Morocco, Moss took the win, beating Hawthorn and Phil Hill.
Mike Hawthorn- 116 (1 Win, 4 Poles)
Stirling Moss- 99 (4 Wins, 3 Poles)
Harry Schell- 86
Roy Salvadori- 79
Tony Brooks- 67 (3 Wins, 1 Pole)
Cliff Allison- 57
Jack Brabham- 57
Peter Collins- 55 (2 Wins, 1 Pole)
Stuart Lewis-Evans- 41 (1 Pole)
Phil Hill- 36
Jo Bonnier- 32
Masten Gregory- 20
Carroll Shelby- 15
Horace Gould- 12
Graham Hill- 7
Troy Ruttman- 6
Jack Fairman- 5
Bruce McLaren- 2
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Re: The 'No Tricolour Nations' + 'CART Points System'
Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:Carel Godin de Beaufort- 5
holland is a tricolor!
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This wrote:Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:Carel Godin de Beaufort- 5
holland is a tricolor!
Woops, fixed.
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Re: The 'No Tricolour Nations' + 'CART Points System'
1959*Indy 500 NOT INCLUDED
The sport was still reeling from the tragic loss of several drivers, including reigning champion Mike Hawthorn. But come Monaco, the drivers had to forget that. Stirling Moss took the first pole position of 1959. But it was the second man on the grid who won, that man being Jack Brabham, who had a strong showing in 1958. Moss had been leading until his transmission failed 19 laps from the end. Second place went to Brooks and third to Phil Hill. At Zandvoort, the favourites were Moss, Brabham and the American contingent of Hill, Schell and Gregory, with Carroll Shelby a possible upset as well. Instead, the pole, and indeed the win, went to Swede Jo Bonnier, driving a BRM. Stirling Moss had begun in third, and had overtaken Jack Brabham in the early laps. He then proceeded to hunt down Bonnier, and set the fastest lap. Unfortunately, his gearbox seized. Harry Schell was another man whose race was ruined by gearbox issues. Brabham came home second, 15 seconds after Bonnier, and in third was Masten Gregory. At Reims, Tony Brooks took pole position, ahead of Jack Brabham and Phil Hill. Brabham looked strong throughout, and was the main challenge to Brooks' lead. His car then struck a problem near the end, sending him plummeting down the field. The Aussie had to cede to Hill, and was within striking of distance of Bruce McLaren. Stirling Moss was running a decent race, until he was disqualified on lap 42. The bad season, just got worse. Despite Brabham's setback, the Aussie took over the lead in the championship, with 50 points, ahead of Phil Hill with 40, and Tony Brooks with 37. Stirling Moss only had his pole point from Monaco to boast about. But that was all about to change, as the drivers arrived at Aintree. Jack Brabham put the car on pole, with Roy Salvadori and Harry Schell finishing the top three quali spots. Although Brabham didn't have a challenge for most of the race, an interesting battle had been brewing between Stirling Moss, who had barged his way through to third, from sixth on the grid, and Bruce McLaren. Harry Schell had a problem with his car, that needed a 'short' trip to the pits, and this demoted him to fourth. Eventually, McLaren was passed by Moss, but Black Jack was too far ahead. Now, the teams came to Germany, but instead of the terrifying Nordschleife, they were greeted by the simplistic AVUS circuit, which was, nonetheless, one of the fastest tracks the drivers had ever faced. It was another Ferrari vs Cooper battle, with BRM taking a backseat. Brooks took pole in his scarlet car, with Moss splitting Brooks and the other Ferrari of American Dan Gurney. In the race itself, Moss was once again forced out by his car, this time, after a measly 1 lap. There was no turning back for the Ferraris. The Coopers suffered awful reliability. Not too long after Moss, Brabham and Gregory followed into retirement, and finally, Bruce McLaren. Ian Burgess was the only one out of 5 Coopers that finished the race. He was also the only one without Climax power, which incidentally, did not have a single race finisher, as both Lotuses also retired. Brooks beat Gurney to the line by 3 seconds, with Phil Hill making it a Ferrari 1-2-3, a rare event. Jo Bonnier, Burgess and Schell finished the order. The Coopers came back with a vengeance, however, when the field moved to Portugal, Moss, Brabham and Gregory making it a Cooper 1-2-3 in qualifying. Their race pace was just as good, with the only stain being that Brabham retired on lap 23 with transmission issues. Still, it was a good day for Cooper, and a good day for the US of A. Gregory, Gurney and Schell occupying second, third and fourth, with Carroll Shelby in the awful Aston Martin finishing seventh. Monza, usually the finale, was now the penultimate race of the year, with a few drivers mathematically with a shot at the title. Tony Brooks (63), Jack Brabham (61), Phil Hill (54), Harry Schell (42), Stirling Moss (38), Masten Gregory (38), Jo Bonnier (33), Dan Gurney (30), Roy Salvadori (30) and Bruce McLaren (26). Of course, only the first three, and to an extent, Schell, Moss and Gregory had a realistic chance of winning. Stirling gave it his all. He did the double, while Brooks failed to get off the line and Brabham was held up by Phil Hill. And so, with a maximum of 21 points available, the drivers arrived at Sebring for the very first time with the following situation. The drivers in contention were Brabham (75), Hill (70), Brooks (63) and Moss (59). Moss could take pole, and finish second, but it meant that Brabham could not score. Realistically, he needed all the points at stake. Brabham had the easiest job, with Hill in between. When it came to quali, Moss once again stole the show, with a fantastic time. But once again, in the race, his Cooper car fragility, cost him dearly, and on lap 5, Moss was out of the race, and out of contention. This left Brooks, Hill and Brabham to fight it out, but then Hill's clutch let go. Now, Bruce McLaren was in the lead, a massive 3 minutes ahead of second placed Brooks, who needed to win and hope something would happen to Brabham. But it was all over. McLaren was out of sight, and Brabham knew he just had to hold position. 1959 saw the rise of a new champion.
Jack Brabham- 89 (2 Wins, 1 Pole)
Tony Brooks- 79 (2 Wins, 2 Poles)
Phil Hill- 70
Stirling Moss- 60 (2 Wins, 4 Poles)
Harry Schell- 50
Bruce McLaren- 46
Dan Gurney- 42
Jo Bonnier- 39 (1 Win, 1 Pole)
Masten Gregory- 38
Roy Salvadori- 30
Innes Ireland- 24
Ron Flockhart- 23
Cliff Allison- 16
Graham Hill- 13
Ian Burgess- 12
Carroll Shelby- 11
Harry Blanchard- 10
Fritz d'Orey- 8
Alan Stacey- 6
Chris Bristow- 4
Colin Davis- 4
Henry Taylor- 3
Peter Ashdown- 2
Ivor Bueb- 1
The sport was still reeling from the tragic loss of several drivers, including reigning champion Mike Hawthorn. But come Monaco, the drivers had to forget that. Stirling Moss took the first pole position of 1959. But it was the second man on the grid who won, that man being Jack Brabham, who had a strong showing in 1958. Moss had been leading until his transmission failed 19 laps from the end. Second place went to Brooks and third to Phil Hill. At Zandvoort, the favourites were Moss, Brabham and the American contingent of Hill, Schell and Gregory, with Carroll Shelby a possible upset as well. Instead, the pole, and indeed the win, went to Swede Jo Bonnier, driving a BRM. Stirling Moss had begun in third, and had overtaken Jack Brabham in the early laps. He then proceeded to hunt down Bonnier, and set the fastest lap. Unfortunately, his gearbox seized. Harry Schell was another man whose race was ruined by gearbox issues. Brabham came home second, 15 seconds after Bonnier, and in third was Masten Gregory. At Reims, Tony Brooks took pole position, ahead of Jack Brabham and Phil Hill. Brabham looked strong throughout, and was the main challenge to Brooks' lead. His car then struck a problem near the end, sending him plummeting down the field. The Aussie had to cede to Hill, and was within striking of distance of Bruce McLaren. Stirling Moss was running a decent race, until he was disqualified on lap 42. The bad season, just got worse. Despite Brabham's setback, the Aussie took over the lead in the championship, with 50 points, ahead of Phil Hill with 40, and Tony Brooks with 37. Stirling Moss only had his pole point from Monaco to boast about. But that was all about to change, as the drivers arrived at Aintree. Jack Brabham put the car on pole, with Roy Salvadori and Harry Schell finishing the top three quali spots. Although Brabham didn't have a challenge for most of the race, an interesting battle had been brewing between Stirling Moss, who had barged his way through to third, from sixth on the grid, and Bruce McLaren. Harry Schell had a problem with his car, that needed a 'short' trip to the pits, and this demoted him to fourth. Eventually, McLaren was passed by Moss, but Black Jack was too far ahead. Now, the teams came to Germany, but instead of the terrifying Nordschleife, they were greeted by the simplistic AVUS circuit, which was, nonetheless, one of the fastest tracks the drivers had ever faced. It was another Ferrari vs Cooper battle, with BRM taking a backseat. Brooks took pole in his scarlet car, with Moss splitting Brooks and the other Ferrari of American Dan Gurney. In the race itself, Moss was once again forced out by his car, this time, after a measly 1 lap. There was no turning back for the Ferraris. The Coopers suffered awful reliability. Not too long after Moss, Brabham and Gregory followed into retirement, and finally, Bruce McLaren. Ian Burgess was the only one out of 5 Coopers that finished the race. He was also the only one without Climax power, which incidentally, did not have a single race finisher, as both Lotuses also retired. Brooks beat Gurney to the line by 3 seconds, with Phil Hill making it a Ferrari 1-2-3, a rare event. Jo Bonnier, Burgess and Schell finished the order. The Coopers came back with a vengeance, however, when the field moved to Portugal, Moss, Brabham and Gregory making it a Cooper 1-2-3 in qualifying. Their race pace was just as good, with the only stain being that Brabham retired on lap 23 with transmission issues. Still, it was a good day for Cooper, and a good day for the US of A. Gregory, Gurney and Schell occupying second, third and fourth, with Carroll Shelby in the awful Aston Martin finishing seventh. Monza, usually the finale, was now the penultimate race of the year, with a few drivers mathematically with a shot at the title. Tony Brooks (63), Jack Brabham (61), Phil Hill (54), Harry Schell (42), Stirling Moss (38), Masten Gregory (38), Jo Bonnier (33), Dan Gurney (30), Roy Salvadori (30) and Bruce McLaren (26). Of course, only the first three, and to an extent, Schell, Moss and Gregory had a realistic chance of winning. Stirling gave it his all. He did the double, while Brooks failed to get off the line and Brabham was held up by Phil Hill. And so, with a maximum of 21 points available, the drivers arrived at Sebring for the very first time with the following situation. The drivers in contention were Brabham (75), Hill (70), Brooks (63) and Moss (59). Moss could take pole, and finish second, but it meant that Brabham could not score. Realistically, he needed all the points at stake. Brabham had the easiest job, with Hill in between. When it came to quali, Moss once again stole the show, with a fantastic time. But once again, in the race, his Cooper car fragility, cost him dearly, and on lap 5, Moss was out of the race, and out of contention. This left Brooks, Hill and Brabham to fight it out, but then Hill's clutch let go. Now, Bruce McLaren was in the lead, a massive 3 minutes ahead of second placed Brooks, who needed to win and hope something would happen to Brabham. But it was all over. McLaren was out of sight, and Brabham knew he just had to hold position. 1959 saw the rise of a new champion.
Jack Brabham- 89 (2 Wins, 1 Pole)
Tony Brooks- 79 (2 Wins, 2 Poles)
Phil Hill- 70
Stirling Moss- 60 (2 Wins, 4 Poles)
Harry Schell- 50
Bruce McLaren- 46
Dan Gurney- 42
Jo Bonnier- 39 (1 Win, 1 Pole)
Masten Gregory- 38
Roy Salvadori- 30
Innes Ireland- 24
Ron Flockhart- 23
Cliff Allison- 16
Graham Hill- 13
Ian Burgess- 12
Carroll Shelby- 11
Harry Blanchard- 10
Fritz d'Orey- 8
Alan Stacey- 6
Chris Bristow- 4
Colin Davis- 4
Henry Taylor- 3
Peter Ashdown- 2
Ivor Bueb- 1
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Re: The 'No Tricolour Nations' + 'CART Points System'
Just to straighten things up, you are considering the countries where they were born right? Because Mike Hawthorn (and others) used to race under the British flag.
The United States is also tricoloured (Harry Schell). Or you aren't considering white a colour?
The United States is also tricoloured (Harry Schell). Or you aren't considering white a colour?

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Re: The 'No Tricolour Nations' + 'CART Points System'
A tricolour flag is one with 3 solid colours in horizontal (eg Germany) or vertical (eg France) lines, AFAIK.
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Re: The 'No Tricolour Nations' + 'CART Points System'
These alternative championships are starting to become very obscure...
Re: The 'No Tricolour Nations' + 'CART Points System'
shinji wrote:A tricolour flag is one with 3 solid colours in horizontal (eg Germany) or vertical (eg France) lines, AFAIK.
Then why Juan Manuel Fangio is missing?
By the way, thanks for the info. I guess it is pretty obvious now that one knows about it...

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Re: The 'No Tricolour Nations' + 'CART Points System'
DanielPT wrote:shinji wrote:A tricolour flag is one with 3 solid colours in horizontal (eg Germany) or vertical (eg France) lines, AFAIK.
Then why Juan Manuel Fangio is missing?
By the way, thanks for the info. I guess it is pretty obvious now that one knows about it...
that's a mistake, because argentina has 3 horizontal lines, but 2 of them are the same (just like spain, and austria for example) so that does not make them a tricolore (a wapon on it (like the DDR for example) is also a tricolore.
the finest example i found on tricolore countries was the glorious nation of neutral moresnet which existed until WW1 (it became part of belgium since) so i immediatly demand a neutral moresnet grand prix!
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Re: The 'No Tricolour Nations' + 'CART Points System'
Damnit, my general knowledge has really eroded after I started getting obsessed with motorsport. I was under the impression that any flag with three stripes was a tricolour. I'll fix that in years to come, sorry. 

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Re: The 'No Tricolour Nations' + 'CART Points System'
well tricolor means 'three color' 

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This wrote:well tricolor means 'three color'
My English has eroded quite badly in recent times as well, probably due to too much time on the internet.
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Re: The 'No Tricolour Nations' + 'CART Points System'
shinji wrote:A tricolour flag is one with 3 solid colours in horizontal (eg Germany) or vertical (eg France) lines, AFAIK.
Then why are USA, UK, New Zealand and Australia listed then?
We seriously need to restrict alternative championships, this is getting a touch silly.
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Phoenix wrote:shinji wrote:A tricolour flag is one with 3 solid colours in horizontal (eg Germany) or vertical (eg France) lines, AFAIK.
Then why are USA, UK, New Zealand and Australia listed then?
We seriously need to restrict alternative championships, this is getting a touch silly.
Fine. I'll stop everything. I'll stop all my activity in PMMF as well, just doing the F1CC, just so I don't come up with some crap championship.
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Re: The 'No Tricolour Nations' + 'CART Points System'
Phoenix wrote:shinji wrote:A tricolour flag is one with 3 solid colours in horizontal (eg Germany) or vertical (eg France) lines, AFAIK.
Then why are USA, UK, New Zealand and Australia listed then?
We seriously need to restrict alternative championships, this is getting a touch silly.
because the big public doesn't accept the '3 solid different colors in horizontal or vertical' as a tricolore and pick everything that has three colors (like the czech or iceland flag or so) as a tricolor
and by the meanings of the word tricolor they are absolutely right, actually.
Well i suppose you only stop this championship until we clearly understand and agree what a tricolor is

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This wrote:But don't stop the other ones.
Come to think of it, I don't have any others... (Well, I do, I just don't finish them. TML can testify to that)
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Re: The 'No Tricolour Nations' + 'CART Points System'
Here is an explanation for what is a tricolour flag:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tricolour
And here is a gallery of triband flags:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Galle ... band_flags
Hope this helps!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tricolour
And here is a gallery of triband flags:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Galle ... band_flags
Hope this helps!

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Re: The 'No Tricolour Nations' + 'CART Points System'
DanielPT wrote:Here is an explanation for what is a tricolour flag:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tricolour
And here is a gallery of triband flags:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Galle ... band_flags
Hope this helps!
Well, I see Argentina listed as triband. Looks like I just mixed up the terms. I could rename the thread, but there's no point in continuing this anyway. I shall refrain from posting any alternative championships in the future, to keep the forumers happy.
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Re: The 'No Tricolour Nations' + 'CART Points System'
Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:DanielPT wrote:Here is an explanation for what is a tricolour flag:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tricolour
And here is a gallery of triband flags:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Galle ... band_flags
Hope this helps!
Well, I see Argentina listed as triband. Looks like I just mixed up the terms. I could rename the thread, but there's no point in continuing this anyway. I shall refrain from posting any alternative championships in the future, to keep the forumers happy.
Don't let this get to you!

Argentina is a bicolour horizontal triband flag.
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Re: The 'No Tricolour Nations' + 'CART Points System'
My apologies; I didn't mean to say that seriously, I just forgot to add the
to clarify it was a joke.
If you want to continue this or not, is your choice; I was following it.

If you want to continue this or not, is your choice; I was following it.
Re: The 'No Tricolour Nations' + 'CART Points System'
I love alternative championships!
I've just kinda ran out of ideas myself until I get some inspiration........
I've just kinda ran out of ideas myself until I get some inspiration........
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