2011 Canadian Grand Prix Discussion Thread

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 11 Jun 2011, 08:55

ADx_Wales wrote:It wouldnt suprise me if Sauber are still going as an F1 team in 10 years time that Massa and Raikonnen would have returned there to see out their F1 careers.
Same thing could be said for the end of Frentzen's F1 career, having started at sauber to finish with them.

Sauber's drivers almost entirely consist of either rookies/almost rookies or people in the twilight of their careers (with the only exceptions being Nick Heidfeld and arguably Johnny Herbert)

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 11 Jun 2011, 09:34

Wizzie wrote:
ADx_Wales wrote:It wouldnt suprise me if Sauber are still going as an F1 team in 10 years time that Massa and Raikonnen would have returned there to see out their F1 careers.
Same thing could be said for the end of Frentzen's F1 career, having started at sauber to finish with them.

Sauber's drivers almost entirely consist of either rookies/almost rookies or people in the twilight of their careers (with the only exceptions being Nick Heidfeld and arguably Johnny Herbert)

Robert Kubica gave the team a win... ok i know they were BMW Sauber at the time

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 11 Jun 2011, 09:39

WeirdKerr wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
ADx_Wales wrote:It wouldnt suprise me if Sauber are still going as an F1 team in 10 years time that Massa and Raikonnen would have returned there to see out their F1 careers.
Same thing could be said for the end of Frentzen's F1 career, having started at sauber to finish with them.

Sauber's drivers almost entirely consist of either rookies/almost rookies or people in the twilight of their careers (with the only exceptions being Nick Heidfeld and arguably Johnny Herbert)

Robert Kubica gave the team a win... ok i know they were BMW Sauber at the time

But Robert Kubica also made his debut with the team so my point still stands (kinda

)

karsten · Post by **karsten** » 11 Jun 2011, 10:29

Perez the new Tuero? let's hope not!

also DLR is getting lots of unexpected chances in the last times...

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 11 Jun 2011, 10:30

Wizzie wrote:
ADx_Wales wrote:It wouldnt suprise me if Sauber are still going as an F1 team in 10 years time that Massa and Raikonnen would have returned there to see out their F1 careers.
Same thing could be said for the end of Frentzen's F1 career, having started at sauber to finish with them.

Sauber's drivers almost entirely consist of either rookies/almost rookies or people in the twilight of their careers (with the only exceptions being Nick Heidfeld and arguably Johnny Herbert)

Fisichella could be an exception too.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 11 Jun 2011, 10:33

redbulljack14 wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
ADx_Wales wrote:It wouldnt suprise me if Sauber are still going as an F1 team in 10 years time that Massa and Raikonnen would have returned there to see out their F1 careers.
Same thing could be said for the end of Frentzen's F1 career, having started at sauber to finish with them.

Sauber's drivers almost entirely consist of either rookies/almost rookies or people in the twilight of their careers (with the only exceptions being Nick Heidfeld and arguably Johnny Herbert)

Fisichella could be an exception too.

Completely forgot about him. Then again this is Fisichella we're talking about. :lol:

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 11 Jun 2011, 10:38

Mario! Could you explain the new Williams wings please?

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 11 Jun 2011, 11:04

mario wrote:Looks like De La Rosa had to rush pretty quickly to get into the car - although Peter Sauber had asked permission from Whitmarsh before this weekend if De La Rosa could be a potential replacement for Perez, it was only about 10 minutes before the start of the second practise session that he found out he'd be driving.
"I was finishing lunch when Monisha Kaltenborn [Sauber CEO] showed up at McLaren and asked me, 'are you ready? It's very likely you will have to get in the car'," explained de la Rosa. "I checked my watch and it was ten to two and I said 'but there's 10 minutes to the start of the session!'

It seems that there was another reason why Sauber went for De La Rosa this weekend - because he'd already driven for them last year, Sauber had a fitted driver seat ready for him (which they'd already brought for this weekend). In addition, they already had data on what sort of pedal fitting he would need - although he had to drive this session using Perez's settings, since they didn't have time to modify the pedals.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/92164

I have to say, given that he'd be a little unfamiliar with the car, the track conditions and not being entirely comfortable in the cockpit, he did a pretty good job - so even if he was unceremoniously thrown out last year, evidently there is still some goodwill within Sauber towards De La Rosa.

And the news was posted on here before FP2 began, having already been announced on BBC FP coverage, and before it got onto Autosport...

Post by **mario** » 11 Jun 2011, 11:44

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:Mario! Could you explain the new Williams wings please?

Well, it looks like scarbsf1 has also commented on the Williams rear wing here http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2011/06/1 ... or-canada/
Essentially, he reckons that Williams are trying to reduce the pressure differential at the edges of the wing, where it meets the endplate. That, in turn, reduces the size of the vortices coming off the rear wing and endplate, and reduces the drag of the rear wing.

Similarly, Renault have returned to a concept used last year, the W shaped rear wing, and have returned with a slightly modified version of it, again aimed at reducing drag via altering the airflow around the lower surface of the rear wing.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 11 Jun 2011, 12:55

By the way, when is FP3? How long is the wait?

Edit: Just found it on BBC website (but not in its usual place!). It's in another hour. What to do in the meantime...

TomPryce · Post by **TomPryce** » 11 Jun 2011, 14:01

FP3 begins. Let's see if anyone bins it now

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 11 Jun 2011, 14:02

Fer to yesterday's debate as to why Gutierrez is in Mexico and not Canada is apparently because he is sitting a history exam, according to the BBC radio team!

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 11 Jun 2011, 14:03

If he's a student, it's completely acceptable.

Besides, I had my final exam on Thursday and passed it...

TomPryce · Post by **TomPryce** » 11 Jun 2011, 14:04

If that's the case, then you gotta think how much bad timing that is. Then again I don't know Guiterrez's pedigree, so I can't comment on whether fate conspired against him in a positive way

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 11 Jun 2011, 14:05

Shizuka wrote:If he's a student, it's completely acceptable.

Besides, I had my final exam on Thursday and passed it...

I didn't say it wasn't, but I bet he's kicking himself though. Exams may be sat again, but will he get an F1 debut?

Mister Fungus · Post by **Mister Fungus** » 11 Jun 2011, 14:12

Rosberg already quicker than FP2 top time.

Post by **tommykl** » 11 Jun 2011, 14:24

Shizuka wrote:If he's a student, it's completely acceptable.

Besides, I had my final exam on Thursday and passed it...

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My last exam is on Friday! I'm stressing out a lot because of history un Thursday. Seriously, it's huge!

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 11 Jun 2011, 14:26

dr-baker wrote:Fer to yesterday's debate as to why Gutierrez is in Mexico and not Canada is apparently because he is sitting a history exam, according to the BBC radio team!

Question No. 1: Who was Mexico's first Formula 1 champion?
Answer No. 1: Moises Solana

Question No. 2: Who was Mexico's first CART champion?
Answer No. 2: Adrian Fernandez

Question No. 3: Which nation has historically been the greatest in racing?
Answer No. 3: Mexico

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 11 Jun 2011, 14:30

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:
dr-baker wrote:Fer to yesterday's debate as to why Gutierrez is in Mexico and not Canada is apparently because he is sitting a history exam, according to the BBC radio team!

Question No. 1: Who was Mexico's first Formula 1 champion?
Answer No. 1: Moises Solana

Question No. 2: Who was Mexico's first CART champion?
Answer No. 2: Adrian Fernandez

Question No. 3: Which nation has historically been the greatest in racing?
Answer No. 3: Mexico

2 out of 3 correct. Of course the greatest nation was Hungary. Won the first ever GP and produced the one and only legendary HWNSNBM!

Back on topic, Emerson has now turned up to do driver stewarding duties, taking over from Mr Blash.

Post by **Londoner** » 11 Jun 2011, 14:30

tommykl wrote:
Shizuka wrote:If he's a student, it's completely acceptable.

Besides, I had my final exam on Thursday and passed it...

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My last exam is on Friday! I'm stressing out a lot because of history un Thursday. Seriously, it's huge!

My high school is getting another 7 bloody exams out of me next week, and then I'm off to sixth form and A-levels.

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 11 Jun 2011, 14:31

dr-baker wrote:
Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:
dr-baker wrote:Fer to yesterday's debate as to why Gutierrez is in Mexico and not Canada is apparently because he is sitting a history exam, according to the BBC radio team!

Question No. 1: Who was Mexico's first Formula 1 champion?
Answer No. 1: Moises Solana

Question No. 2: Who was Mexico's first CART champion?
Answer No. 2: Adrian Fernandez

Question No. 3: Which nation has historically been the greatest in racing?
Answer No. 3: Mexico

2 out of 3 correct. Of course the greatest nation was Hungary. Won the first ever GP and produced the one and only legendary HWNSNBM!

Well obviously the facts are going to be messed up for the sake of propaganda right? :lol:

TomPryce · Post by **TomPryce** » 11 Jun 2011, 14:36

East Londoner wrote:
tommykl wrote:
Shizuka wrote:If he's a student, it's completely acceptable.

Besides, I had my final exam on Thursday and passed it...

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
My last exam is on Friday! I'm stressing out a lot because of history un Thursday. Seriously, it's huge!

My high school is getting another 7 bloody exams out of me next week, and then I'm off to sixth form and A-levels.

Ahhhh as a degree student, I know your pain with exams and the GCSE and A Level years are seriously the worst. Easy life from then on XD

Back on Topic - Where is Schumacher? Is he just testing heavy fuel loads or is he literally way off the pace?

EDIT: Red Bull's Kers running 1/3 of the power of the Merc's and the Ferrari's? Does it make ANY difference?

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 11 Jun 2011, 14:57

PDLR replacing Perez - first or second replacement of the season, bearing in mind Heidfeld replacing the injured Kubica?

TomPryce · Post by **TomPryce** » 11 Jun 2011, 15:01

RED FLAG - DE LA ROSA BINS IT.

Oh dear.

Post by **mario** » 11 Jun 2011, 15:01

TomPryce wrote:Ahhhh as a degree student, I know your pain with exams and the GCSE and A Level years are seriously the worst. Easy life from then on XD

Depends - I recall that one of my lecturers at university was an external invigilator for Cambridge University. Because of the Eyjafjallajökull volcano eruption, and the subsequent disruption it caused with international students being unable to return to take the exams, the rescheduled exam schedule was very punishing - imagine having eight 90 minute exams within four days (i.e. one exam in the morning, and another in the afternoon). To be honest, I thought that I had it bad when I had six 3 hour exams in eight days (including one on Saturday morning).

GwilymJJames · Post by **GwilymJJames** » 11 Jun 2011, 15:03

PDLR has caused a RED FLAG, but the session was over anyway;

The last 6 sessions have been Redded, is this a record?

107% time: 1:18.518; Liuzzi, Glock, Karthikeyan, D'Ambrosio and the absent Webber miss it.

S951 · Post by **S951** » 11 Jun 2011, 15:06

tonio ahead of both mvrs there

looks like everyone having problems with tyre temps in fp3

Mister Fungus · Post by **Mister Fungus** » 11 Jun 2011, 15:07

I expect some DNQ's even if Q1 times will be slower due to harder tires.

(except if it rains, then I have no idea what to expect)

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 11 Jun 2011, 15:07

Now, I do not believe you wanted to do that, did you, Pedro?

The Sauber mechanics might well be worried that there's a repair job to be done before qualifying, but if I was at the two teams at the rear, I'd be bricking it. 107% of the fastest FP3 time was 1'18.518, and all four drivers were well outside it.

If the teams at the front do Q1 on the yellow tyres, and (say) we add a second for those, estimated 107% will be 1'19.588, and Custard was 8/10 outside that...

Ed24 · Post by **Ed24** » 11 Jun 2011, 15:13

If the final turn is the Wall of Champions, then Turn 4 must be the Wall of Saubers.

Not a great weekend for them so far (and probably heading up the RotR nominations), but hopefully they can pick it up in the race. It would be almost worth them qualifying on primes in Q2 (if they both get that far), and saving the tyres for the race, because it looks like they may not be able to outqualify the Toro Rossos and Force Indias.

ibsey · Post by **ibsey** » 11 Jun 2011, 15:24

Options appear to be around 0.6 - 0.8 sec quicker than the primes, however options take at least a lap (maybe two for some drivers) to warm up to full operating temperature. Whislt, on the evidence of Rosberg's 1st lap in FP3 (where he did a 1.15.0 straightaway), Primes can be pretty quick straightaway.

Also very interested into what Buemi said over the team radio about the options being difficult to drive in those first few laps & I think every driver who has crashed since FP2 has been near the start of their run on the options.

Therefore assuming it is dry for quali (& the above is correct), I wonder how this may effect teams approaches specifically in Q2 & Q3?

For instance can midfield teams warm up the options quickly enough to do two runs in Q2, or will they have to just do one long run on options? Simliarly how will teams play Q3 also?

Also thinking ahead to the race, it is likely we may see serveral SC's. Again assuming it is dry, & given the relatively long time it takes to warm up the options (after a SC period), the primes might be the better race tyre come sunday? This of course depends on how long the tyres can last for. Does anyone know how long the option & prime tyres are expected to last for?

S951 · Post by **S951** » 11 Jun 2011, 16:27

bring it on dead excited now!!

GwilymJJames · Post by **GwilymJJames** » 11 Jun 2011, 16:49

Does anyone know what the dog on the side of the Sauber represents?

F1000X · Post by **F1000X** » 11 Jun 2011, 16:50

Finally, a qualifying session I don't have to be up at 4am to watch.

S951 · Post by **S951** » 11 Jun 2011, 16:59

so guys do you think we will get any DQs today? if so for the potential candidates have any done a time within the 107%

sswishbone · Post by **sswishbone** » 11 Jun 2011, 17:00

well here we go, could be interesting this as track evolution has been skyrocketing all day

GwilymJJames · Post by **GwilymJJames** » 11 Jun 2011, 17:01

S951 wrote:so guys do you think we will get any DQs today? if so for the potential candidates have any done a time within the 107%

I think everyone was in 107% in P1. Karthikeyan and D'Ambrosio could easily be in trouble if they don't improve on their P3 times.

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 11 Jun 2011, 17:01

D'Ambrosio will DNQ. You heard it here first.

S951 · Post by **S951** » 11 Jun 2011, 17:03

i'll have a punt that Liuzzi will be ahead of both mvrs

sswishbone · Post by **sswishbone** » 11 Jun 2011, 17:05

Well I am expecting 107% to be around 1:21, so they may fail at the current rate, as MVR are down in 1:25, they really need to find some pace fast!

Liuzzi is definitely in, set a 1:18, so no way he won't qualify

edit: - well the 107% appears to be inside 1:20 now, this could be tough for MVR and HRT