2011 Canadian Grand Prix Discussion Thread

Paul Hayes · Post by **Paul Hayes** » 12 Jun 2011, 21:12

Wow. Just wow. What a race! Well worth waiting for!

Talk about zero to hero!

Blimey. Just... blimey.

You can tell this was an exciting race... the forum keeps not letting me post because people have posted every time I try and hit the submit button... No I do not want to review my f**king post in light of this!

Enforcer · Post by **Enforcer** » 12 Jun 2011, 21:13

GwilymJJames wrote:
Enforcer wrote:
GwilymJJames wrote:Let's not forget, Button has two incidents under investigation. He could still lose this.

He just has the Hamilton incident, I think. He got the pen for speeding under the SC.

He's got the Alonso incident as well.

Frick. That'll probably go against him too.

So it will in fact be another spawny, fortunate win for Vettel. His spawniness is making him most dislikable.

LionZoo · Post by **LionZoo** » 12 Jun 2011, 21:13

Montreal + rain + 2011 rules = epic win

Paul Hayes · Post by **Paul Hayes** » 12 Jun 2011, 21:14

As for any possible Button penalty... Surely post-race time penalties are only given if there isn't time during the race? Any Button penalties for the Hamilton or Alonso incidents wouldn't change this result?

GwilymJJames · Post by **GwilymJJames** » 12 Jun 2011, 21:14

STEWARD'S DECISION....

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Drive-through penalty for...

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Karthikeyan.

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 12 Jun 2011, 21:15

Wow! What a race, what a finish!!!

HRT move above Virgin

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It just feel apart for Force India in the end, both cars in the points to both cars retiring

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 12 Jun 2011, 21:15

time for bed lol

Mister Fungus · Post by **Mister Fungus** » 12 Jun 2011, 21:16

Button, amazing... After all that, how did he win?

Also Massa/Kobayashi photo finish. When was the last time we had a photo finish in f1?

LionZoo · Post by **LionZoo** » 12 Jun 2011, 21:16

Paul Hayes wrote:As for any possible Button penalty... Surely post-race time penalties are only given if there isn't time during the race? Any Button penalties for the Hamilton or Alonso incidents wouldn't change this result?

I think they'll most likely just give him a grid spot penalty if he's found at fault. The F1 community would grill the stewards if they took away his win.

Jonouchi · Post by **Jonouchi** » 12 Jun 2011, 21:18

I wonder if Petrov overtook Kamui under yellow flag or before the safety car line? He did seem to sort of pass him out of nowhere.

And as for stewards taking away wins: Lewis at Spa.

Paul Hayes · Post by **Paul Hayes** » 12 Jun 2011, 21:18

That race was pretty much Jenson Button's career in microcosm wasn't it?

It started off with enormous promise, but then with some dodgy decisions and bad luck it all went spectacularly wrong and he seemed doomed to squander his talent at the back of the field. Then suddenly the cards fell for him, he made the most of the opportunity that landed in his lap and he pulled out a stunning result to put himself back at the front of the grid.

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 12 Jun 2011, 21:19

Hamilton looked like a losing nominee at the Oscars just there.

QuickYoda41 · Post by **QuickYoda41** » 12 Jun 2011, 21:21

Jonouchi wrote:I wonder if Petrov overtook Kamui under yellow flag or before the safety car line? He did seem to sort of pass him out of nowhere.

And as for stewards taking away wins: Lewis at Spa.

Kobayashi lost it in Turn 1

LukeB · Post by **LukeB** » 12 Jun 2011, 21:23

Jonouchi wrote:And as for stewards taking away wins: Lewis at Spa.

They didn't have an opportunity to penalise Hamilton during the race at Spa, they had ample time to do so to Button here. I doubt they'd take away his win, it'd look really bad.
Then again F1 is never afraid to make itself look bad....

Barbazza · Post by **Barbazza** » 12 Jun 2011, 21:23

Jonouchi wrote:I wonder if Petrov overtook Kamui under yellow flag or before the safety car line? He did seem to sort of pass him out of nowhere.

On the last restart, as the camera tracks the leaders through the first couple of corners, you could *just* about see a white car going wide at the first corner. My guess is that was Kobayashi, and that on rejoining he had some incident with Petrov. There were no replays (though you can't blame the TV director for staying with the front 4) so I guess we won't know.

DOSBoot · Post by **DOSBoot** » 12 Jun 2011, 21:23

What a finish for Jenson Button! Dead last at one point in the race, to win the race at the last lap. This is more than IIDOTR, this is "Bending the Theory of Reality"! This will go down as a one of the great moments in Formula 1 history.

whatisdeletrazdoing · Post by **whatisdeletrazdoing** » 12 Jun 2011, 21:24

Surely that is a record for most pitstops by a race winner

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 12 Jun 2011, 21:25

Oh, come on. The incident with Alonso was a racing accident, that is at worst a simple reprimand.

sswishbone · Post by **sswishbone** » 12 Jun 2011, 21:25

This eclipses the time webber won at Nurburgring by dominating even with a drive through,. purely for the fightning nature of the victory.

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 12 Jun 2011, 21:26

After all the Bahrain bullcrap, this is exactly what F1 needed. Cheers Canada, Button, Kamui, stupid marshall; cheers, every one.

Jonouchi · Post by **Jonouchi** » 12 Jun 2011, 21:27

Odd though that they decided to put it under investigation if that was the case and Kamui just went wide, to be honest. Maybe it's just the Kobayashi fanboy in me

Ed24 · Post by **Ed24** » 12 Jun 2011, 21:27

Disappointing for Williams again. Somehow they went from around 6th and 9th at the final restart to both out of the points within one lap!

Post by **mario** » 12 Jun 2011, 21:27

They just about squeezed this within the two hour mark - and boy did that race explode into action later on - my head is reeling, since that was just frenetic at the end. How Button didn't end up planting the car into the wall when snapping past Webber, I don't know - and his pace was staggering at the end. Where the hell did that sort of performance come from - and, for that matter, the confidence; he was really wringing the neck of his car.
I really hope, though, that Button doesn't get hit with a post race penalty (speaking of which, how many people are being investigated - that must be some sort of record), because that would detract from a stunning recovery drive (although he could well be penalised for that passing attempt on Alonso - though Button was fairly far alongside Alonso there, so they might just rule that Button did have the racing line).

noisebox · Post by **noisebox** » 12 Jun 2011, 21:28

Paul Hayes wrote:That race was pretty much Jenson Button's career in microcosm wasn't it?

It started off with enormous promise, but then with some dodgy decisions and bad luck it all went spectacularly wrong and he seemed doomed to squander his talent at the back of the field. Then suddenly the cards fell for him, he made the most of the opportunity that landed in his lap and he pulled out a stunning result to put himself back at the front of the grid.

Brilliant! The best analysis of a drive I can remember!!

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 12 Jun 2011, 21:29

I can somehow see Hamilton being a twat and going to the stewards about his incident with Button.

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 12 Jun 2011, 21:30

So see you all in Valencia!

Jonouchi · Post by **Jonouchi** » 12 Jun 2011, 21:30

So to be clear, under investigation are:

Button & Alonso
Sutil & Rosberg (under the SC)
Petrov & Kobayashi
I want to say di Resta & someone, but that might have already been sorted out during the race...

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 12 Jun 2011, 21:31

In the end, only 0.045 seconds between Massa and Kobayashi... And I am glad Vettel didn't win and Schumacher didn't get a podium. Not anti-German, just like the success to be spread around. If I wake up in the morning and they have deemed it worthy to give Button a penalty, I will find it hard not to despair.

GwilymJJames · Post by **GwilymJJames** » 12 Jun 2011, 21:31

One of the best races I've seen (eventually), even though as a RBR fan I'm disappointed in the result.

So, what follows the best race ever? Valencia? Oh...

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 12 Jun 2011, 21:32

redbulljack14 wrote:I can somehow see Hamilton being a twat and going to the stewards about his incident with Button.

I doubt it somehow. Would he seriously want ANOTHER Vettel win??

Anyway they showed Hamilton applauding Button passing vettel in the garage too.

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 12 Jun 2011, 21:33

I hope Button gets a 2.708s penalty.

Barbazza · Post by **Barbazza** » 12 Jun 2011, 21:34

shinji wrote:So see you all in Valencia!

Oh, don't bring us down to earth so soon! Just think of all the new F1 fans that will now tune into that one and....fall asleep.

Barbazza · Post by **Barbazza** » 12 Jun 2011, 21:37

Jonouchi wrote:So to be clear, under investigation are:

Button & Alonso
Sutil & Rosberg (under the SC)
Petrov & Kobayashi
I want to say di Resta & someone, but that might have already been sorted out during the race...

I think at some point everyone in the race was under investigation or got a drive-through penalty immediately bar one driver, so I would like to congratulate Vitantonio Liuzzi on his moral victory!

Post by **mario** » 12 Jun 2011, 21:39

Jonouchi wrote:So to be clear, under investigation are:

Button & Alonso
Sutil & Rosberg (under the SC)
Petrov & Kobayashi
I want to say di Resta & someone, but that might have already been sorted out during the race...

It was, I believe, Di Resta and Heidfeld. Also, the collision between Hamilton and Button is also due to be investigated.

James1978 wrote:
redbulljack14 wrote:I can somehow see Hamilton being a twat and going to the stewards about his incident with Button.

I doubt it somehow. Would he seriously want ANOTHER Vettel win??

Anyway they showed Hamilton applauding Button passing vettel in the garage too.

I think it is unlikely - he didn't seem angry at Button in an interview during the red flag session, saying that he thought that Button must have just not seen him. And, as you say, getting Button penalised would only benefit Vettel - not to mention being pretty corrosive for inter-team relations.

S951 · Post by **S951** » 12 Jun 2011, 21:40

got mixed feeling about drs after this just highlighting schumacher without drs I don't think mark would of got passed so easily

Collieafc · Post by **Collieafc** » 12 Jun 2011, 21:43

Why cant we just host every race at Montreal? After that, who wants a Valencia snoozefest? (and a probable lights to flag win for the Vettel steamroller...)

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 12 Jun 2011, 21:45

Collieafc wrote:Why cant we just host every race at Montreal? After that, who wants a Valencia snoozefest? (and a probable lights to flag win for the Vettel steamroller...)

Well, to be honest, we need some "boring" races to really appreciate these pearls we're having in Montreal. Also, I'm optimistic that Valencia will be semi-decent.

Barbazza · Post by **Barbazza** » 12 Jun 2011, 21:46

I suppose I have to go to bed now, though I have to calm down a bit after all the excitement first. Wish I didn't have to go to work tomorrow - I'd rather watch a rerun of the race given that it'd take the best part of a day to deconstruct all the various things going on.
I'm wondering if I'll ever see an F1 race finish at around 10PM again in my lifetime. Probably not.

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 12 Jun 2011, 21:51

The Sport1 announcer for the race highlights has said it very well: "And people say F1 is boring. If this is boring to them, they should go watch the Muppet show or something like that." :lol:

Chewie · Post by **Chewie** » 12 Jun 2011, 21:54

mario wrote:- and his pace was staggering at the end. Where the hell did that sort of performance come from - and, for that matter, the confidence; he was really wringing the neck of his car.

Remember Mclaren gambling on a wet set up for qualifying?

They had much more down force than anyone else; and in the damp that equals grip.