The 2012 IndyCar Series thread

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 17 Jun 2012, 06:31

You better win the title for Hinchtown, Mayor. Failing that, at least beat the two Target cars.

Speaking of the Target cars, what the hell has happened to Dixon this year?

Shadaza · Post by **Shadaza** » 17 Jun 2012, 16:37

I didn't even realise there was an indycar race this weekend, happening on a Saturday on Le Mans weekend really took me by surprise.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 17 Jun 2012, 17:13

Shadaza wrote:I didn't even realise there was an indycar race this weekend, happening on a Saturday on Le Mans weekend really took me by surprise.

I've got to admit, going against the 24 Hours of Le Mans was a stupid idea... who is the idiot who planned these races? Sadly it gets worse as they've put the Mid-Ohio race during the Olympics...

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 17 Jun 2012, 21:02

JeremyMcClean wrote:I've got to admit, going against the 24 Hours of Le Mans was a stupid idea... who is the idiot who planned these races? Sadly it gets worse as they've put the Mid-Ohio race during the Olympics...

I'd rather watch IndyCars than Le Mans, or the Olympics. And I'm one of the few British people that's half-interested in the Olympics. Sadly, my TV package doesn't include IndyCars...

Verde · Post by **Verde** » 18 Jun 2012, 14:40

I watched almost the entire Milwaukee race and felt very lazy when it came to seeking out for a streaming to watch Le Mans.

Sorry, LM24, but I do really like single-seaters, hehehe

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 19 Jun 2012, 10:20

Wizzie wrote:Speaking of the Target cars, what the hell has happened to Dixon this year?

Dixie could have won Barber and Indy in addition to Detroit, and the officials already admitted they lolwhoopsed his penalty...

...

So really nothing's happened to him.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 24 Jun 2012, 11:29

EJ Viso, what the hell was that all about? Going on like a pork chop was bad enough, the fact you caused the accident to begin with makes it inexcusable.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 26 Jun 2012, 15:29

Looks like the answer to "What will replace Qingdao?" will be "nothing."

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/indycar ... pdJ9RsYgM6

golic_2004 · Post by **golic_2004** » 26 Jun 2012, 16:46

Wizzie wrote:EJ Viso, what the hell was that all about? Going on like a pork chop was bad enough, the fact you caused the accident to begin with makes it inexcusable.

Believe it or not, Will Power was the one who apologized to Viso. Normally it would be Viso's fault.

nome66 · Post by **nome66** » 27 Jun 2012, 21:48

http://www.indycar.com/News/2012/06-Jun ... sh-to-pass

.....but they won't let lotus crank up the horse power. i don't know what it was in barber that let Bordais' lotus finish in the top ten, but right after that the lotus engines dropped off significantly.

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 28 Jun 2012, 12:42

Wizzie wrote:EJ Viso, what the hell was that all about? Going on like a pork chop was bad enough, the fact you caused the accident to begin with makes it inexcusable.

He had nothing to apologize for. You can't chop someone off on an oval track at the last second like that. Period.

nome66 wrote:http://www.indycar.com/News/2012/06-June/6-27-INDYCAR-to-reintroduce-push-to-pass

.....but they won't let lotus crank up the horse power. i don't know what it was in barber that let Bordais' lotus finish in the top ten, but right after that the lotus engines dropped off significantly.

Where did it say that? Maybe I'm just sleepy, but I can't see where it said Lotus couldn't use it...

...also, Bourdais's top 10 finish in the Lotus comes from him being one of the 5 best IndyCar drivers in the past 10 years.

Post by **mario** » 28 Jun 2012, 21:44

nome66 wrote:http://www.indycar.com/News/2012/06-June/6-27-INDYCAR-to-reintroduce-push-to-pass

.....but they won't let lotus crank up the horse power. i don't know what it was in barber that let Bordais' lotus finish in the top ten, but right after that the lotus engines dropped off significantly.

I believe that Lotus had already received permission to make some modifications to their engines under the current regulations - Autosport reported back on the 23rd June that the governing body has considered and approved their proposed changes. Given that, I guess that Lotus's planned modifications were already taken into account whilst the proposed new push to pass system was being drawn up. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/100657

Shadaza · Post by **Shadaza** » 28 Jun 2012, 22:05

Seriously that top 10 finish has got to be up there as one of the drives of the motor sport year.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 28 Jun 2012, 23:57

Shadaza wrote:Seriously that top 10 finish has got to be up there as one of the drives of the motor sport year.

SeaBass is really that fast in America so I'm not as surprised as I would have been otherwise.

nome66 · Post by **nome66** » 29 Jun 2012, 01:50

i was a little surprised to see that he wasn't one of the faster soldier's of RedBull's army of Sebastiens while he was in Torro Rosso. uh, anyways...
He qualified pretty low in his Lotus in Barber, so there's definitely some credibility there.

nome66 · Post by **nome66** » 29 Jun 2012, 19:43

(crossing in from the NASCAR thread)Now that Andretti has bought the Dodge NASCAR engine deal thingy, could a Fiat-Chrysler transition into IndyCar be possible?
maybe the return of Alfa?

or influence from Chrysler at all?

F1000X · Post by **F1000X** » 30 Jun 2012, 08:15

Not a chance.

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 03 Jul 2012, 20:48

Any Alfa that comes to America will be badged as a Dodge. The Dart is coming back to American buyers in 2013 and it's essentially an Alfa Romeo. That being said, I'd love to see a Dodge IndyCar. There were talks that Dodge would pair with Cosworth... just imagine that, a Dodgeworth.

Anyway, IndyCar put this out, and I think it's worth a look... Where Engines Stack Up

Shadaza wrote:Seriously that top 10 finish has got to be up there as one of the drives of the motor sport year.

Bourdais is really that good. In 2006 he would regularly go a second and a half quicker than the rest of the field and be saving fuel. He did the same thing in 2007 when it was a spec series (only year Champ Car was truly a spec series) too...

Sullivangate · Post by **Sullivangate** » 03 Jul 2012, 20:55

Cynon wrote:Any Alfa that comes to America will be badged as a Dodge. The Dart is coming back to American buyers in 2013 and it's essentially an Alfa Romeo. That being said, I'd love to see a Dodge IndyCar. There were talks that Dodge would pair with Cosworth... just imagine that, a Dodgeworth.

Anyway, IndyCar put this out, and I think it's worth a look... Where Engines Stack Up

Shadaza wrote:Seriously that top 10 finish has got to be up there as one of the drives of the motor sport year.

Bourdais is really that good. In 2006 he would regularly go a second and a half quicker than the rest of the field and be saving fuel. He did the same thing in 2007 when it was a spec series (only year Champ Car was truly a spec series) too...

I distinctly remember hearing Fiat was interested in building an Aero Kit. But I don't want Aero Kits.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 03 Jul 2012, 22:46

Halfway through the season and already teams are using their final engine?
I smell a fallout...

F1000X · Post by **F1000X** » 03 Jul 2012, 23:17

Sullivangate wrote: I distinctly remember hearing Fiat was interested in building an Aero Kit. But I don't want Aero Kits.

Thinking about it now, I'm not sure I do either. I'm not sure the series needs them, or that the racing would benefit either. I might be more interested in a second tire manufacturer, but I don't see that happening. Ultimately, it's most important that Lotus be helped to survive, or that they are replaced with someone more capable.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 03 Jul 2012, 23:51

I have seen some proposed Aero Kits and in my opinion they look even more strange than the current car.

Sullivangate · Post by **Sullivangate** » 03 Jul 2012, 23:55

eurobrun wrote:I have seen some proposed Aero Kits and in my opinion they look even more strange than the current car.

Have you heard what manufacturers are involved in that? Or just saw them?

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 03 Jul 2012, 23:59

Sullivangate wrote:
eurobrun wrote:I have seen some proposed Aero Kits and in my opinion they look even more strange than the current car.

Have you heard what manufacturers are involved in that? Or just saw them?

I saw them on Google images, so wether they are genuine or not is a bit questionable.

Dj_bereta · Post by **Dj_bereta** » 07 Jul 2012, 20:28

Marco is trying hard to be in ROTY podium in this year.

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 08 Jul 2012, 03:17

Dj_bereta wrote:Marco is trying hard to be in ROTY podium in this year.

Not as hard as Lotus (although they seem to have gotten their act together and are on the pace for a change) and Ed Carpenter, because Marco's at least been fast in some of the races this year, but overall he's been getting destroyed by Hinch and Ryan Hunter-Reay.

Top 4 on the grid;

Franchitti
Power
Wilson
Bourdais

My body is not ready.

If Bourdais wins, it will be a serious kick in the balls to Paul Tracy, because they're tied on the all-time win list at 31... and this would have been Tracy's home race. :twisted:

Will be pulling for SeaBass and Dale Coyne as usual though.

nome66 · Post by **nome66** » 08 Jul 2012, 03:26

definitely rooting for bordais.

ALSO:: my logic gland was lacking a bit when i was hoping for a dodge indycar. if penske didn't do it, why should andretti

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 08 Jul 2012, 05:09

nome66 wrote:definitely rooting for bordais.

ALSO:: my logic gland was lacking a bit when i was hoping for a dodge indycar. if penske didn't do it, why should andretti

The Chevy engine is being built by Ilmor. That's the connection. The Dodge would be a Cosworth... err... Dodgeworth

nome66 · Post by **nome66** » 08 Jul 2012, 17:56

i meant that there aren't any real connections between nascar teams and indycar teams other than name.
and if dodge would use cosworth, who would ford use if they entered?

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 08 Jul 2012, 18:44

Kimball is an idiot.

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 08 Jul 2012, 18:49

JeremyMcClean wrote:Kimball is an idiot.

If you are talking about the accident with Bourdais, I'd say it was a racing accident. Interesting to see that with all the restart chaos, Sato wasn't involved in any of it. Even with that spin in the last lap, Barrichello takes a good 11th place after the rather questionable performance in practice and qualifying.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 08 Jul 2012, 18:52

Klon wrote:
JeremyMcClean wrote:Kimball is an idiot.

If you are talking about the accident with Bourdais, I'd say it was a racing accident. Interesting to see that with all the restart chaos, Sato wasn't involved in any of it. Even with that spin in the last lap, Barrichello takes a good 11th place after the rather questionable performance in practice and qualifying.

I'd say maybe, but the penalty given to Kanaan was BS. Other than those two incidents, I thought the marshals did OK. How does Hunter-Reay win ah-gain? Power will have a resurgence, he always seems to do sod-all in Toronto.

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 08 Jul 2012, 19:29

JeremyMcClean wrote:I'd say maybe, but the penalty given to Kanaan was BS.

Indeed it was. If anything the penalty should have been given to the pitcrew that put the tyre there in the first place.

F1000X · Post by **F1000X** » 09 Jul 2012, 16:55

Could it be? Could we really have an American champion this year? Make it happen Ryan, Indycar needs this.

Dj_bereta · Post by **Dj_bereta** » 09 Jul 2012, 21:59

Klon wrote:
JeremyMcClean wrote:Kimball is an idiot.

If you are talking about the accident with Bourdais, I'd say it was a racing accident. Interesting to see that with all the restart chaos, Sato wasn't involved in any of it. Even with that spin in the last lap, Barrichello takes a good 11th place after the rather questionable performance in practice and qualifying.

A late stop for fuel hurted barrichello's race. He was running in 5th in final laps.

Also, talking about KV, why didn't Tony defend your position in last laps?

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 18 Jul 2012, 16:36

F1000X wrote:Could it be? Could we really have an American champion this year? Make it happen Ryan, Indycar needs this.

Would be the first American champion of a unified IndyCar since Little Al in 1994.

Sullivangate · Post by **Sullivangate** » 18 Jul 2012, 18:23

Cynon wrote:
F1000X wrote:Could it be? Could we really have an American champion this year? Make it happen Ryan, Indycar needs this.

Would be the first American champion of a unified IndyCar since Little Al in 1994.

All the more depressing when he goes to NASCAR next season.

F1000X · Post by **F1000X** » 18 Jul 2012, 18:44

Sullivangate wrote: All the more depressing when he goes to NASCAR next season.

Thats not funny man.

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 19 Jul 2012, 03:50

Sullivangate wrote:All the more depressing when he goes to NASCAR next season.

That would be the dumbest move Hunter-Reay could possibly make -- even dumber than his decision to go to Rocketsports (which almost killed his career).

Sullivangate · Post by **Sullivangate** » 20 Jul 2012, 01:53

Cynon wrote:
Sullivangate wrote:All the more depressing when he goes to NASCAR next season.

That would be the dumbest move Hunter-Reay could possibly make -- even dumber than his decision to go to Rocketsports (which almost killed his career).

Who are you to doubt the intelligence of Paul Gentilozzi?