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Collins 0
Maglioli -2
P. Hill -12
Trintignant -24
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September 7th 1958, Italian Grand Prix
Stirling Moss was the big loser at the start, destroying his clutch just as the race started. Thankfully, his frantic waving alerted the drivers behind and everyone avoided the stricken B.C.M.A.. His teammate benefited, as Brabham took the early advantage. The Australian led the first lap ahead of the scrapping Maglioli, Ramos and Bonnier, then Collins, Marimón, Hawthorn, Phil Hill, Gregory, Simon and Surtees. Manzon soon retired with gearbox failure as Maglioli fell back to preserve his race strategy. De Filippis dropped out of her first race this season with a puncture at Lesmo, while Hawthorn also lost several positions in the early-race pandemonium. Surtees soon joined his teammate Moss on the sidelines with an oil leak. He now had to hope Collins wouldn't finish in the top two to keep his title hopes alive. Luckily for him, Collins was then in sixth position.
On lap 6, André Simon attempted a move on Duncan Hamilton getting on the oval, but Hamilton abruptly defended and Simon spun into the straw bales attempting to avoid the Brit. Race over for the Frenchman. A few laps past before Ramos began to catch Brabham and threaten to score a third consecutive race victory. In the meantime, Sanesi experienced electrical issues, followed by Volonterio with a gearbox failure and Masten Gregory with steering trouble. By this point, Collins was struggling to stay in the points, enjoying his usual experience of waiting behind the first few runners for the leaders' pace to falter. As Phil Hill and Heinz Melkus retired (suspension failure and oil leak respectively), Ramos caught Brabham and began to fight for the race lead. On lap 12, he slipstreamed past and began to pull away. Could the Brazilian score an unprecedented third consecutive race win?
In any case it wouldn't be Marimón who'd beat him, as the Argentine's clutch failed at the race's halfway mark followed by Berardo Taraschi's engine. Mike Hawthorn then had a spectacular but ultimately small accident at Ascari, leaving only 21 cars in the race. As Ramos continued to eke out an advantage over Brabham and Bonnier, André Guelfi was slowly but surely catching the leading trio. As Maglioli's engine also failed, Fangio was now in fifth place ahead of Collins, providing small consolation for Ferrari. Von Trips' engine expired soon thereafter, making the race yet more expensive for the Scuderia.
With ten laps remaining, Guelfi caught Bonnier and easily made short work of the Swede, confirming that his Nürburgring performance was by no means a fluke. Duncan Hamilton was the next to retire when his fuel tank leaked onto the track and caused him to run out. The fuel refused to disappear, and Maurice Trintignant skidded on the slick left on the oval banking. The Gordini collided with the banking's barriers and slipped to the bottom without rolling over. Mercifully, the Frenchman stepped out of his car shaken but unscathed. Another wave of retirements followed: Gallagher's electrics, Fangio's gearbox and Graham Hill's transmission, the last two from sixth place consecutively. By this point, González, Gendebien and Behra were charging through the pack to challenge for the last point, while Collins was catching the leading four, desperate for good points.
With four laps remaining, Jo Bonnier had to stop. His early pace had proven too much and he'd run out of fuel, casting doubt over the safely leading Ramos. Could the Brazilian make the end of the race? Gerini sure wouldn't, as he'd just run over Trintignant's debris and scored a puncture.
As the field stabilised, no one seemingly within range, it seemed the result was set...until suddenly, O.S.C.A.'s worst fears came true. Ramos came off the banking with two laps to go traveling at a snail's pace. The visibly furious Franco-Brazilian had run out of fuel tantalisingly close to a third consecutive win. This left Brabham free to finally take his first win of a difficult season for the Australian. André Guelfi was well rewarded for a terrific drive with second place, just ahead of Peter Collins, who takes a further step towards his first title. González managed to take fourth place for Rob Walker after a hard charge, while the very surprising Lotuses of Olivier Gendebien and Jean Behra took the last two spots, the former also sneaking in the fastest lap. Ramos was classified eighth.
1. Jack Brabham (B.C.M.A.) 1:39:41.68
2. André Guelfi (O.S.C.A.) +50.84
3. Peter Collins (Ferrari) +55.03
4. José Froilán González (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) +1:57.24
5. Olivier Gendebien (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) +1 lap
6. Jean Behra (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) +1 lap
7. Roy Salvadori (Vanwall) +1 lap
8. Hernando da Silva Ramos (O.S.C.A.) +2 laps/Out of fuel
9. Alan Stacey (B.C.M.A.) +2 laps
10. Luigi Musso (Cooper-Climax) +2 laps
11. Dan Gurney (O.S.C.A.) +2 laps
12. Hans Herrmann (O.S.C.A.) +3 laps
Ret. Jo Bonnier (O.S.C.A.) +4 laps/Out of fuel
Ret. Gerino Gerini (O.S.C.A.) +6 laps/Puncture
Ret. Juan Manuel Fangio (O.S.C.A.) +7 laps/Gearbox
Ret. Graham Hill (Lotus-B.C.M.A.) +7 laps/Transmission
Ret. Redmond Gallagher (O.S.C.A.) +9 laps/Electrical
Ret. Duncan Hamilton (B.C.M.A.) +11 laps/Fuel leak
Ret. Maurice Trintignant (Gordini) +12 laps/Accident
Ret. Umberto Maglioli (Ferrari) +15 laps/Engine
Ret. Wolfgang von Trips (Ferrari) +15 laps/Engine
Ret. Onofre Marimón (Ferrari) +18 laps/Clutch
Ret. Mike Hawthorn (Cooper-Climax) +18 laps/Accident
Ret. Berardo Taraschi (Vanwall) +24 laps/Engine
Ret. Phil Hill (Ferrari) +25 laps/Suspension
Ret. Heinz Melkus (O.S.C.A.) +25 laps/Oil leak
Ret. Masten Gregory (Ferrari) +26 laps/Steering
Ret. Ottorino Volonterio (O.S.C.A.) +27 laps/Gearbox
Ret. Consalvo Sanesi (O.S.C.A.) +28 laps/Electrical
Ret. André Simon (Gordini) +30 laps/Collision
Ret. John Surtees (B.C.M.A.) +32 laps/Oil leak
Ret. Maria Teresa de Filippis (O.S.C.A.-BRM) +33 laps/Puncture
Ret. Robert Manzon (Gordini) +34 laps/Gearbox
Ret. Stirling Moss (B.C.M.A.) +35 laps/Clutch
Fastest lap: Olivier Gendebien (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) - 2:46.72
Championship standings
Drivers
1. Peter Collins - 40
2. Hernando da Silva Ramos - 27
3. Onofre Marimòn - 23 (1 win, 1 2nd, 2 3rds)
4. John Surtees - 23 (1 win, 1 2nd, 2 4ths)
5. Jack Brabham - 19
6. Masten Gregory - 15
7. Georges Burggraf - 9 (1 win)
8. Stirling Moss - 9 (1 2nd)
9. José Froilán González - 9 (1 3rd)
10. Jo Bonnier - 8
11. André Guelfi - 6
12. Alan Stacey - 5
13. Graham Hill - 4 (1 3rd, 2 7ths)
14. Mike Hawthorn - 4 (1 3rd, 1 7th)
15. Umberto Maglioli - 4 (1 4th)
16. Duncan Hamilton - 3 (1 4th, 1 11th)
17. Jack Fairman - 3 (1 4th, 1 17th)
18. Ottorino Volonterio - 2 (1 5th, 1 7th)
19. Heinz Melkus - 2 (1 5th, 2 11ths)
20. Olivier Gendebien - 2 (1 5th, 2 Rets)
21. Lex Davison - 2 (1 5th)
22. André Simon - 2 (2 6ths)
23. Juan Manuel Fangio - 1 (1 6th, 1 8th)
24. Redmond Gallagher - 1 (1 6th, 1 12th)
25. Jean Behra - 1 (1 6th, 1 13th)
26. Harry Schell - 1 (1 6th, 1 15th)
Constructors
1. Ferrari - 56
2. O.S.C.A. - 47
3. B.C.M.A. - 46
4. Lotus-O.S.C.A. - 14
5. Cooper-Climax - 4
6. O.S.C.A.-BRM - 3
7. Lotus-Ferrari - 2 (1 5th)
8. Gordini - 2 (2 6ths)
Entrants
1. Scuderia Ferrari - 56
2. British Commonwealth Motorsport Association - 46
3. Officine Specializzate Costruzione Automobili - 24
4. Scuderia Centro Sud - 13
5. Rob Walker Racing - 10
6. Alexander Racing Team - 9
7. Team Lotus - 6 (1 3rd)
8. Owen Racing Organisation - 6 (1 4th)
9. Cooper Car Company - 4
10. MSG Köthen - 2 (1 5th, 1 11th)
11. L. Davison - 2 (1 5th)
12. Écurie Voeckler - 2 (2 6ths)
Stirling Moss was the big loser at the start, destroying his clutch just as the race started. Thankfully, his frantic waving alerted the drivers behind and everyone avoided the stricken B.C.M.A.. His teammate benefited, as Brabham took the early advantage. The Australian led the first lap ahead of the scrapping Maglioli, Ramos and Bonnier, then Collins, Marimón, Hawthorn, Phil Hill, Gregory, Simon and Surtees. Manzon soon retired with gearbox failure as Maglioli fell back to preserve his race strategy. De Filippis dropped out of her first race this season with a puncture at Lesmo, while Hawthorn also lost several positions in the early-race pandemonium. Surtees soon joined his teammate Moss on the sidelines with an oil leak. He now had to hope Collins wouldn't finish in the top two to keep his title hopes alive. Luckily for him, Collins was then in sixth position.
On lap 6, André Simon attempted a move on Duncan Hamilton getting on the oval, but Hamilton abruptly defended and Simon spun into the straw bales attempting to avoid the Brit. Race over for the Frenchman. A few laps past before Ramos began to catch Brabham and threaten to score a third consecutive race victory. In the meantime, Sanesi experienced electrical issues, followed by Volonterio with a gearbox failure and Masten Gregory with steering trouble. By this point, Collins was struggling to stay in the points, enjoying his usual experience of waiting behind the first few runners for the leaders' pace to falter. As Phil Hill and Heinz Melkus retired (suspension failure and oil leak respectively), Ramos caught Brabham and began to fight for the race lead. On lap 12, he slipstreamed past and began to pull away. Could the Brazilian score an unprecedented third consecutive race win?
In any case it wouldn't be Marimón who'd beat him, as the Argentine's clutch failed at the race's halfway mark followed by Berardo Taraschi's engine. Mike Hawthorn then had a spectacular but ultimately small accident at Ascari, leaving only 21 cars in the race. As Ramos continued to eke out an advantage over Brabham and Bonnier, André Guelfi was slowly but surely catching the leading trio. As Maglioli's engine also failed, Fangio was now in fifth place ahead of Collins, providing small consolation for Ferrari. Von Trips' engine expired soon thereafter, making the race yet more expensive for the Scuderia.
With ten laps remaining, Guelfi caught Bonnier and easily made short work of the Swede, confirming that his Nürburgring performance was by no means a fluke. Duncan Hamilton was the next to retire when his fuel tank leaked onto the track and caused him to run out. The fuel refused to disappear, and Maurice Trintignant skidded on the slick left on the oval banking. The Gordini collided with the banking's barriers and slipped to the bottom without rolling over. Mercifully, the Frenchman stepped out of his car shaken but unscathed. Another wave of retirements followed: Gallagher's electrics, Fangio's gearbox and Graham Hill's transmission, the last two from sixth place consecutively. By this point, González, Gendebien and Behra were charging through the pack to challenge for the last point, while Collins was catching the leading four, desperate for good points.
With four laps remaining, Jo Bonnier had to stop. His early pace had proven too much and he'd run out of fuel, casting doubt over the safely leading Ramos. Could the Brazilian make the end of the race? Gerini sure wouldn't, as he'd just run over Trintignant's debris and scored a puncture.
As the field stabilised, no one seemingly within range, it seemed the result was set...until suddenly, O.S.C.A.'s worst fears came true. Ramos came off the banking with two laps to go traveling at a snail's pace. The visibly furious Franco-Brazilian had run out of fuel tantalisingly close to a third consecutive win. This left Brabham free to finally take his first win of a difficult season for the Australian. André Guelfi was well rewarded for a terrific drive with second place, just ahead of Peter Collins, who takes a further step towards his first title. González managed to take fourth place for Rob Walker after a hard charge, while the very surprising Lotuses of Olivier Gendebien and Jean Behra took the last two spots, the former also sneaking in the fastest lap. Ramos was classified eighth.
1. Jack Brabham (B.C.M.A.) 1:39:41.68
2. André Guelfi (O.S.C.A.) +50.84
3. Peter Collins (Ferrari) +55.03
4. José Froilán González (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) +1:57.24
5. Olivier Gendebien (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) +1 lap
6. Jean Behra (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) +1 lap
7. Roy Salvadori (Vanwall) +1 lap
8. Hernando da Silva Ramos (O.S.C.A.) +2 laps/Out of fuel
9. Alan Stacey (B.C.M.A.) +2 laps
10. Luigi Musso (Cooper-Climax) +2 laps
11. Dan Gurney (O.S.C.A.) +2 laps
12. Hans Herrmann (O.S.C.A.) +3 laps
Ret. Jo Bonnier (O.S.C.A.) +4 laps/Out of fuel
Ret. Gerino Gerini (O.S.C.A.) +6 laps/Puncture
Ret. Juan Manuel Fangio (O.S.C.A.) +7 laps/Gearbox
Ret. Graham Hill (Lotus-B.C.M.A.) +7 laps/Transmission
Ret. Redmond Gallagher (O.S.C.A.) +9 laps/Electrical
Ret. Duncan Hamilton (B.C.M.A.) +11 laps/Fuel leak
Ret. Maurice Trintignant (Gordini) +12 laps/Accident
Ret. Umberto Maglioli (Ferrari) +15 laps/Engine
Ret. Wolfgang von Trips (Ferrari) +15 laps/Engine
Ret. Onofre Marimón (Ferrari) +18 laps/Clutch
Ret. Mike Hawthorn (Cooper-Climax) +18 laps/Accident
Ret. Berardo Taraschi (Vanwall) +24 laps/Engine
Ret. Phil Hill (Ferrari) +25 laps/Suspension
Ret. Heinz Melkus (O.S.C.A.) +25 laps/Oil leak
Ret. Masten Gregory (Ferrari) +26 laps/Steering
Ret. Ottorino Volonterio (O.S.C.A.) +27 laps/Gearbox
Ret. Consalvo Sanesi (O.S.C.A.) +28 laps/Electrical
Ret. André Simon (Gordini) +30 laps/Collision
Ret. John Surtees (B.C.M.A.) +32 laps/Oil leak
Ret. Maria Teresa de Filippis (O.S.C.A.-BRM) +33 laps/Puncture
Ret. Robert Manzon (Gordini) +34 laps/Gearbox
Ret. Stirling Moss (B.C.M.A.) +35 laps/Clutch
Fastest lap: Olivier Gendebien (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) - 2:46.72
Championship standings
Drivers
1. Peter Collins - 40
2. Hernando da Silva Ramos - 27
3. Onofre Marimòn - 23 (1 win, 1 2nd, 2 3rds)
4. John Surtees - 23 (1 win, 1 2nd, 2 4ths)
5. Jack Brabham - 19
6. Masten Gregory - 15
7. Georges Burggraf - 9 (1 win)
8. Stirling Moss - 9 (1 2nd)
9. José Froilán González - 9 (1 3rd)
10. Jo Bonnier - 8
11. André Guelfi - 6
12. Alan Stacey - 5
13. Graham Hill - 4 (1 3rd, 2 7ths)
14. Mike Hawthorn - 4 (1 3rd, 1 7th)
15. Umberto Maglioli - 4 (1 4th)
16. Duncan Hamilton - 3 (1 4th, 1 11th)
17. Jack Fairman - 3 (1 4th, 1 17th)
18. Ottorino Volonterio - 2 (1 5th, 1 7th)
19. Heinz Melkus - 2 (1 5th, 2 11ths)
20. Olivier Gendebien - 2 (1 5th, 2 Rets)
21. Lex Davison - 2 (1 5th)
22. André Simon - 2 (2 6ths)
23. Juan Manuel Fangio - 1 (1 6th, 1 8th)
24. Redmond Gallagher - 1 (1 6th, 1 12th)
25. Jean Behra - 1 (1 6th, 1 13th)
26. Harry Schell - 1 (1 6th, 1 15th)
Constructors
1. Ferrari - 56
2. O.S.C.A. - 47
3. B.C.M.A. - 46
4. Lotus-O.S.C.A. - 14
5. Cooper-Climax - 4
6. O.S.C.A.-BRM - 3
7. Lotus-Ferrari - 2 (1 5th)
8. Gordini - 2 (2 6ths)
Entrants
1. Scuderia Ferrari - 56
2. British Commonwealth Motorsport Association - 46
3. Officine Specializzate Costruzione Automobili - 24
4. Scuderia Centro Sud - 13
5. Rob Walker Racing - 10
6. Alexander Racing Team - 9
7. Team Lotus - 6 (1 3rd)
8. Owen Racing Organisation - 6 (1 4th)
9. Cooper Car Company - 4
10. MSG Köthen - 2 (1 5th, 1 11th)
11. L. Davison - 2 (1 5th)
12. Écurie Voeckler - 2 (2 6ths)
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Post-race report
Injuries
Thankfully nothing to see here.
Damages
Trintignant's chassis (Type 56/B chassis 3) - £21 097
Maglioli's engine (143 engine 3) - £18 210
von Trips' engine (143 engine 2) - £13 425
Hawthorn's chassis (T45 chassis 4) - £8 797
Taraschi's engine (VE2 engine 7) - £5 267
Simon's chassis (Type 56/B chassis 1) - £8 699
Prize money (distance)
Jack Brabham - £2 000
André Guelfi - £2 000
Peter Collins - £2 000
José Froilán González - £2 000
Olivier Gendebien - £1 971
Jean Behra - £1 971
Roy Salvadori - £1 971
Hernando da Silva Ramos - £1 943
Alan Stacey - £1 943
Luigi Musso - £1 943
Dan Gurney - £1 943
Hans Herrmann - £1 914
Jo Bonnier - £1 886
Gerino Gerini - £1 829
Juan Manuel Fangio - £1 800
Graham Hill - £1 800
Redmond Gallagher - £1 743
Duncan Hamilton - £1 686
Maurice Trintignant - £1 657
Umberto Maglioli - £1 571
Wolfgang von Trips - £1 571
Onofre Marimón - £1 486
Mike Hawthorn - £1 486
Berardo Taraschi - £1 314
Phil Hill - £1 286
Heinz Melkus - £1 286
Masten Gregory - £1 257
Ottorino Volonterio - £1 229
Consalvo Sanesi - £1 200
André Simon - £1 143
John Surtees - £1 086
Maria Teresa de Filippis - £1 057
Robert Manzon - £1 029
Stirling Moss - £1 000
Reg Parnell - £500
Harry Zweifel - £500
René Cotton - £500
Prize money (position)
Jack Brabham - £26 000
André Guelfi - £21 250
Peter Collins - £18 000
José Froilán González - £11 750
Olivier Gendebien - £10 500
Jean Behra - £6 250
Roy Salvadori - £5 500
Hernando da Silva Ramos - £4 750
Alan Stacey - £4 000
Luigi Musso - £3 250
Dan Gurney - £2 500
Hans Herrmann - £2 250
Jo Bonnier - £2 000
Gerino Gerini - £1 750
Juan Manuel Fangio - £1 500
Graham Hill - £1 250
Redmond Gallagher - £1 000
Duncan Hamilton - £750
Maurice Trintignant - £500
Umberto Maglioli - £250
Budgets updated. As always, be sure to tell me if I've made any mistakes!
Injuries
Thankfully nothing to see here.
Damages
Trintignant's chassis (Type 56/B chassis 3) - £21 097
Maglioli's engine (143 engine 3) - £18 210
von Trips' engine (143 engine 2) - £13 425
Hawthorn's chassis (T45 chassis 4) - £8 797
Taraschi's engine (VE2 engine 7) - £5 267
Simon's chassis (Type 56/B chassis 1) - £8 699
Prize money (distance)
Jack Brabham - £2 000
André Guelfi - £2 000
Peter Collins - £2 000
José Froilán González - £2 000
Olivier Gendebien - £1 971
Jean Behra - £1 971
Roy Salvadori - £1 971
Hernando da Silva Ramos - £1 943
Alan Stacey - £1 943
Luigi Musso - £1 943
Dan Gurney - £1 943
Hans Herrmann - £1 914
Jo Bonnier - £1 886
Gerino Gerini - £1 829
Juan Manuel Fangio - £1 800
Graham Hill - £1 800
Redmond Gallagher - £1 743
Duncan Hamilton - £1 686
Maurice Trintignant - £1 657
Umberto Maglioli - £1 571
Wolfgang von Trips - £1 571
Onofre Marimón - £1 486
Mike Hawthorn - £1 486
Berardo Taraschi - £1 314
Phil Hill - £1 286
Heinz Melkus - £1 286
Masten Gregory - £1 257
Ottorino Volonterio - £1 229
Consalvo Sanesi - £1 200
André Simon - £1 143
John Surtees - £1 086
Maria Teresa de Filippis - £1 057
Robert Manzon - £1 029
Stirling Moss - £1 000
Reg Parnell - £500
Harry Zweifel - £500
René Cotton - £500
Prize money (position)
Jack Brabham - £26 000
André Guelfi - £21 250
Peter Collins - £18 000
José Froilán González - £11 750
Olivier Gendebien - £10 500
Jean Behra - £6 250
Roy Salvadori - £5 500
Hernando da Silva Ramos - £4 750
Alan Stacey - £4 000
Luigi Musso - £3 250
Dan Gurney - £2 500
Hans Herrmann - £2 250
Jo Bonnier - £2 000
Gerino Gerini - £1 750
Juan Manuel Fangio - £1 500
Graham Hill - £1 250
Redmond Gallagher - £1 000
Duncan Hamilton - £750
Maurice Trintignant - £500
Umberto Maglioli - £250
Budgets updated. As always, be sure to tell me if I've made any mistakes!
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Re: Alt-1958: Italian Grand Prix up!
tommykl wrote:Damages
Trintignant's chassis (Type 56/B chassis 3) - £21 097
Maglioli's engine (143 engine 3) - £18 210
von Trips' engine (143 engine 2) - £13 425
Simon's chassis (Type 56/B chassis 1) - £8 699
Scuderia Ferrari will scrap 143 engines 2 and 3, then build a single brand new engine, #6.
Ecurie Voeckler will repair Type 56/B chassis 1 and scrap Type 56/B chassis 2.
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VII Grand Prix du Maroc - Entry list
1. Bruce Kessler (Ecurie Guillon Bachot) - Lotus 10 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 15
2. Stuart Lewis-Evans (Connaught-McAlpine) - Connaught Type C chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 10
3. John Love (John Love) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 9, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 13
4. Mike Hawthorn (Cooper Car Company) - Cooper T45 chassis 2, Climax FPF V engine 3
5. Bruce Mclaren (Cooper Car Company) - Cooper T45 chassis 1, Climax FPF V engine 1
6. Roy Salvadori (Vandervell Products Ltd.) - Vanwall VW58 chassis 1, Vanwall VE2 engine 5
7. José Froilán González (Rob Walker Racing) - Lotus 12 chassis 5, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 6
8. Alan Stacey (Owen Racing Organisation) - B.C.M.A. RP.1001 chassis 1, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern engine 2
9. Jack Fairman (Owen Racing Organisation) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 13, BRM P26 engine 4
10. Ian Fraser Jones (Ian Fraser Jones) - Vanwall VW58 chassis 3, Alfa Romeo AR2V8 engine 5
11. Hernando da Silva Ramos (O.S.C.A.) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 1
12. Ottorino Volonterio (O.S.C.A.) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 2, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 2
13. Jo Bonnier (O.S.C.A.) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 4, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 4
14. Juan Manuel Fangio (O.S.C.A.) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 6, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 3
15. André Guelfi (Scuderia Centro Sud) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 5, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 14
16. Redmond Gallagher (Scuderia Centro Sud) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 10, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 5
17. Wolfgang von Trips (Team Lotus) - Lotus 12 chassis 4, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 10
18. Olivier Gendebien (Team Lotus) - Lotus 12 chassis 2, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 11
19. Graham Hill (Team Lotus) - Lotus 12 chassis 1, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern engine 5
20. Jack Brabham (B.C.M.A.) - B.C.M.A. RP.1001 Mk. II chassis 1, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern B engine 1
21. Stirling Moss (B.C.M.A.) - B.C.M.A. RP.1001 Mk. II chassis 2, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern B engine 4
22. John Surtees (B.C.M.A.) - B.C.M.A. RP.1001 Mk. II chassis 3, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern B engine 3
23. Duncan Hamilton (B.C.M.A.) - B.C.M.A. RP.1001 chassis 2, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern engine 4
24. Peter Collins (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 1, Ferrari 143 engine 1
25. Onofre Marimón (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 2, Ferrari 143 engine 4
26. Masten Gregory (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 4, Ferrari 143 engine 6
27. André Simon (Écurie Voeckler) - Gordini Type 56/B chassis 1, Gordini G258/B engine 1
28. Robert Manzon (Écurie Voeckler) - Gordini Type 56/B chassis 4, Gordini G258/B engine 2
29. Robert La Caze (Robert La Caze) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 5, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 7
30. Umberto Maglioli (Jan de Vroom) - Ferrari 246 chassis 5, Ferrari 143 engine 5
31. Jan de Vroom (Jan de Vroom) - Ferrari 801 chassis 4, Ferrari DS50 engine 2
The list closes on Friday December 7th 2018 at noon CET.
1. Bruce Kessler (Ecurie Guillon Bachot) - Lotus 10 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 15
2. Stuart Lewis-Evans (Connaught-McAlpine) - Connaught Type C chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 10
3. John Love (John Love) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 9, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 13
4. Mike Hawthorn (Cooper Car Company) - Cooper T45 chassis 2, Climax FPF V engine 3
5. Bruce Mclaren (Cooper Car Company) - Cooper T45 chassis 1, Climax FPF V engine 1
6. Roy Salvadori (Vandervell Products Ltd.) - Vanwall VW58 chassis 1, Vanwall VE2 engine 5
7. José Froilán González (Rob Walker Racing) - Lotus 12 chassis 5, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 6
8. Alan Stacey (Owen Racing Organisation) - B.C.M.A. RP.1001 chassis 1, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern engine 2
9. Jack Fairman (Owen Racing Organisation) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 13, BRM P26 engine 4
10. Ian Fraser Jones (Ian Fraser Jones) - Vanwall VW58 chassis 3, Alfa Romeo AR2V8 engine 5
11. Hernando da Silva Ramos (O.S.C.A.) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 1
12. Ottorino Volonterio (O.S.C.A.) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 2, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 2
13. Jo Bonnier (O.S.C.A.) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 4, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 4
14. Juan Manuel Fangio (O.S.C.A.) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 6, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 3
15. André Guelfi (Scuderia Centro Sud) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 5, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 14
16. Redmond Gallagher (Scuderia Centro Sud) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 10, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 5
17. Wolfgang von Trips (Team Lotus) - Lotus 12 chassis 4, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 10
18. Olivier Gendebien (Team Lotus) - Lotus 12 chassis 2, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 11
19. Graham Hill (Team Lotus) - Lotus 12 chassis 1, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern engine 5
20. Jack Brabham (B.C.M.A.) - B.C.M.A. RP.1001 Mk. II chassis 1, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern B engine 1
21. Stirling Moss (B.C.M.A.) - B.C.M.A. RP.1001 Mk. II chassis 2, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern B engine 4
22. John Surtees (B.C.M.A.) - B.C.M.A. RP.1001 Mk. II chassis 3, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern B engine 3
23. Duncan Hamilton (B.C.M.A.) - B.C.M.A. RP.1001 chassis 2, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern engine 4
24. Peter Collins (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 1, Ferrari 143 engine 1
25. Onofre Marimón (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 2, Ferrari 143 engine 4
26. Masten Gregory (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 4, Ferrari 143 engine 6
27. André Simon (Écurie Voeckler) - Gordini Type 56/B chassis 1, Gordini G258/B engine 1
28. Robert Manzon (Écurie Voeckler) - Gordini Type 56/B chassis 4, Gordini G258/B engine 2
29. Robert La Caze (Robert La Caze) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 5, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 7
30. Umberto Maglioli (Jan de Vroom) - Ferrari 246 chassis 5, Ferrari 143 engine 5
31. Jan de Vroom (Jan de Vroom) - Ferrari 801 chassis 4, Ferrari DS50 engine 2
The list closes on Friday December 7th 2018 at noon CET.
kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
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Re: Alt-1958: Enter Morocco!
Bruce Kessler - Ecurie Bachot - Lotus 10 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 15
Stuart Lewis-Evans - Connaught-McAlpine - Connaught Type C chassis 1 - O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 10
Despite our own-bulid chassis being slower than a beer barrel on wheels, Connaught will sell O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 7 to collectors to keep us out of debt.
John Love will enter the Moroccan Grand Prix under his own name, and will use O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 9 and O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 13 (if Petoli is fine with it).
Stuart Lewis-Evans - Connaught-McAlpine - Connaught Type C chassis 1 - O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 10
Despite our own-bulid chassis being slower than a beer barrel on wheels, Connaught will sell O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 7 to collectors to keep us out of debt.
John Love will enter the Moroccan Grand Prix under his own name, and will use O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 9 and O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 13 (if Petoli is fine with it).
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Peteroli34
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Re: Alt-1958: Enter Morocco!
Entries
Mike Hawthorn - Cooper T45 chassis 2 - Climax FPF V engine 3
Bruce Mclaren - Cooper T45 chassis 1 - Climax FPF V engine 1
Meanwhile the following are available to rent
Cooper T41 chassis 6
Climax FPF IV engine 3
Vanwall VW58 chassis 3
O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 9
Alfa Romeo AR161 chassis 7
Alfa Romeo AR161 chassis 8
Guidobaldi FG01 chassis 5
O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 13
Alfa Romeo AR2V8 engine 2
Alfa Romeo AR2V8 engine 5
If any one wants any of the above. just choose what you want and you can use it
Mike Hawthorn - Cooper T45 chassis 2 - Climax FPF V engine 3
Bruce Mclaren - Cooper T45 chassis 1 - Climax FPF V engine 1
Meanwhile the following are available to rent
Cooper T41 chassis 6
Climax FPF IV engine 3
Vanwall VW58 chassis 3
O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 9
Alfa Romeo AR161 chassis 7
Alfa Romeo AR161 chassis 8
Guidobaldi FG01 chassis 5
O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 13
Alfa Romeo AR2V8 engine 2
Alfa Romeo AR2V8 engine 5
If any one wants any of the above. just choose what you want and you can use it
Re: Alt-1958: Enter Morocco!
Roy Salvadori (Vandervell Products Ltd.) - Vanwall VW58 chassis 1, Vanwall VE2 engine 5
We'll stay in the series until the bitter end.
We'll stay in the series until the bitter end.
Eurosport broadcast for the 1990 Mexican GP prequalifying:
"The Life, it looked very lifeless yet again... in fact Bruno did one, slow lap"
"The Life, it looked very lifeless yet again... in fact Bruno did one, slow lap"
Re: Alt-1958: Enter Morocco!
José Froilán González (Rob Walker Racing) - Lotus 12 chassis 5, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 6
Alan Stacey (Owen Racing Organisation) - B.C.M.A. RP.1001 chassis 1, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern engine 2
Jack Fairman (Owen Racing Organisation) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 13, BRM P26 engine 4
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South African driver Ian Fraser Jones will enter the race as a budgetless privateer under his own name. If Petoli agrees, he would like to use:
Ian Fraser Jones (Ian Fraser Jones) - Vanwall VW58 chassis 3, Alfa Romeo AR2V8 engine 5
Alan Stacey (Owen Racing Organisation) - B.C.M.A. RP.1001 chassis 1, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern engine 2
Jack Fairman (Owen Racing Organisation) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 13, BRM P26 engine 4
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South African driver Ian Fraser Jones will enter the race as a budgetless privateer under his own name. If Petoli agrees, he would like to use:
Ian Fraser Jones (Ian Fraser Jones) - Vanwall VW58 chassis 3, Alfa Romeo AR2V8 engine 5
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Re: Alt-1958: Enter Morocco!
peteroli34 wrote:Entries
Mike Hawthorn - Cooper T45 chassis 2 - Climax FPF V engine 3
Bruce Mclaren - Cooper T45 chassis 1 - Climax FPF V engine 1
Meanwhile the following are available to rent
Cooper T41 chassis 6
Climax FPF IV engine 3
Vanwall VW58 chassis 3
O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 9
Alfa Romeo AR161 chassis 7
Alfa Romeo AR161 chassis 8
Guidobaldi FG01 chassis 5
O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 13
Alfa Romeo AR2V8 engine 2
Alfa Romeo AR2V8 engine 5
If any one wants any of the above. just choose what you want and you can use it
John Love wishes to inquire about O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 9 and O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 13, as replacement for the Rob Walker car.
Re: Alt-1958: Enter Morocco!
Hernando da Silva Ramos (O.S.C.A.) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 1
Ottorino Volonterio (O.S.C.A.) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 2, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 2
Jo Bonnier (O.S.C.A.) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 4, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 4
Juan Manuel Fangio (O.S.C.A.) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 6, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 3
Ottorino Volonterio (O.S.C.A.) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 2, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 2
Jo Bonnier (O.S.C.A.) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 4, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 4
Juan Manuel Fangio (O.S.C.A.) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 6, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 3
pasta_maldonado wrote:The stewards have recommended that Alan Jones learns to drive.
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Re: Alt-1958: Enter Morocco!
With Morocco being just a little too far away, here are my entries for the Moroccan Grand Prix.
Scuderia Centro-Sud
Andre Guelfi (Scuderia Centro Sud) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 5, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 14 (Fast start) [on loan from O.S.C.A.]
Redmond Gallagher (Scuderia Centro Sud) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 10, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 5
(Fast start) [on loan from O.S.C.A.]
Scuderia Centro-Sud
Andre Guelfi (Scuderia Centro Sud) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 5, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 14 (Fast start) [on loan from O.S.C.A.]
Redmond Gallagher (Scuderia Centro Sud) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 10, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 5
(Fast start) [on loan from O.S.C.A.]
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Re: Alt-1958: Enter Morocco!
TBA - Lotus 12/4 - OSCA 1558 10
TBA - Lotus 12/2 - OSCA 1558 11
Graham Hill - Lotus 12/1 - A/AS Wyvern engine 5
Team Lotus would like to request the services of Wolfgang von Trips and Olivier Gendebien for the Moroccan race
TBA - Lotus 12/2 - OSCA 1558 11
Graham Hill - Lotus 12/1 - A/AS Wyvern engine 5
Team Lotus would like to request the services of Wolfgang von Trips and Olivier Gendebien for the Moroccan race
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Re: Alt-1958: Enter Morocco!
B.C.M.A. entries for Morocco - 1958:
Jack Brabham - RP.1001 Mk. II chassis 1, Wyvern B engine 1 (Fast Start)
Stirling Moss - RP.1001 Mk. II chassis 2, Wyvern B engine 2 (Fast Start)
John Surtees - RP.1001 Mk. II chassis 3, Wyvern B engine 3 (Fast Start)
Duncan Hamilton - RP.1001 chassis 2, Wyvern engine 4 (Fast Start)
Jack Brabham - RP.1001 Mk. II chassis 1, Wyvern B engine 1 (Fast Start)
Stirling Moss - RP.1001 Mk. II chassis 2, Wyvern B engine 2 (Fast Start)
John Surtees - RP.1001 Mk. II chassis 3, Wyvern B engine 3 (Fast Start)
Duncan Hamilton - RP.1001 chassis 2, Wyvern engine 4 (Fast Start)
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Re: Alt-1958: Enter Morocco!
Peter Collins (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 1, Ferrari 143 engine 1 (Fast start)
Onofre Marimón (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 2, Ferrari 143 engine 4 (Fast start)
Masten Gregory (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 4, Ferrari 143 engine 6 (Fast finish)
André Simon (Écurie Voeckler) - Gordini Type 56/B chassis 1, Gordini G258/B engine 1 (Fast start)
Robert Manzon (Écurie Voeckler) - Gordini Type 56/B chassis 4, Gordini G258/B engine 2 (Fast finish)
Robert La Caze (Robert La Caze) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 5, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 7(on loan from Rob Walker Racing)
Onofre Marimón (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 2, Ferrari 143 engine 4 (Fast start)
Masten Gregory (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 4, Ferrari 143 engine 6 (Fast finish)
André Simon (Écurie Voeckler) - Gordini Type 56/B chassis 1, Gordini G258/B engine 1 (Fast start)
Robert Manzon (Écurie Voeckler) - Gordini Type 56/B chassis 4, Gordini G258/B engine 2 (Fast finish)
Robert La Caze (Robert La Caze) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 5, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 7(on loan from Rob Walker Racing)
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Re: Alt-1958: Enter Morocco!
After agreeing with Ferrari, Jan de Vroom will enter the Moroccan GP with he following car/engine combination:
Ferrari 246 chassis #5 / Ferrari 143 engine #5 (Umberto Maglioli)
Ferrari 801 chassis #4 / Ferrari DS50 engine #2 (Jan de Vroom)
Ferrari 246 chassis #5 / Ferrari 143 engine #5 (Umberto Maglioli)
Ferrari 801 chassis #4 / Ferrari DS50 engine #2 (Jan de Vroom)
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18-07-2015: Forever in our hearts Jules.
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Re: Alt-1958: Enter Morocco!
In the news
September 8th - Oman cedes overseas Gwadur territory to Pakistan
September 8th - Paul Anka begins tour of Japan
September 8th - Mao claims each US foreign intervention is a "hangman's noose" tightening
September 8th - Khrushchev expresses support for Chinese bombing of Quemoy; vows to defend against US
September 9th - Mainland China continues to shell Quemoy off Taiwanese coast
September 10th - China claims "deliberate war provocation" from US planes flying over mainland
September 11th - Eisenhower: "Quemoy must not be allowed to fall"
September 12th - Supreme Court rules that Arkansas cannot block desegregation of schools
September 12th - Julius Nyerere's TANU wins all constituencies in Tanganyikan election
September 12th - Jack Kilby of Texas Instruments demonstrates first working integrated circuit
September 13th - Supply ships leave Taiwan for Quemoy
September 13th - Cameroon independence leader Ruben Um Nyobé assassinated
September 14th - First post-War German meteorological rockets launched
September 14th - Charles de Gaulle meets Konrad Adenauer
September 15th - USA-China talks begin in Warsaw
September 16th - Taiwanese recon plane flies over mainland China
September 17th - Communist China rejects ceasefire over Taiwan Strait crisis
September 18th - Bank of America sends out first batch of credit cards
September 18th - Ferhat Abbas forms provisional Algerian government in exile
September 19th - Khrushchev warns Eisenhower of "world war" if Taiwan Strait crisis degenerates
September 20th - China and Taiwan exchange fire near Matsu
September 20th - Khalil al-Hibri appointed to lead transition government in Lebanon
September 21st - Plane lands in Dallas after 50-day uninterrupted flight
September 22nd - Mutually-assured destruction of United States assured by China in case of nuclear war
September 23rd - Fuad Chehab succeeds Camille Chamoun as President amidst Lebanese crisis
September 24th - Chehab appoints Rashid Karami as Lebanese head of government for the second time
September 24th - China hosts rallies claiming Taiwan for itself
September 25th - US Navy attempts to force Chinese blockade on Quemoy
September 26th - China refuses another ceasefire; demands US end or hasten conflict
September 27th - Typhoon Ida kills over 1000 in Japan
September 28th - 79% of French voters approve constitution of Fifth Republic; only Guinea votes against
September 30th - China rails against Taiwanese use of Sidewinder missile
October 1st - India proposes mediation in Warsaw talks between US and China
October 1st - Morocco and Tunisia admitted to the Arab League
October 1st - Christmas Island transferred from Singapore to Australia
October 1st - NASA begins operations following earlier act of law
October 2nd - Guinea declares independence from France under Ahmed Sékou Touré
October 3rd - Kubitschek's Social Democratic Party wins plurality in Brazilian legislative elections
October 4th - BOAC begins first transatlantic passenger jet flights with De Havilland Comets
October 4th - The Ugly American is published, criticising communism and US actions in South Vietnam
October 4th - French Fifth Republic established by Charles de Gaulle
kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
Gonzo wrote:Wasn't there some sort of communisim in the East part of Germany?
Re: Alt-1958: Enter Morocco!
Currently winning elsewhere
Syracuse 100 (USAC ChampCar) - Johnny Thomson
SCCA Nationals @ Road America - Hal Ullrich/Carl Haas (BM) - Jim Jeffords (BP) - Gaston Andrey/Lance Reventlow (CM) - George Reed (CP) - James Johnston/Bud Seaverns (DM) - Ralph Durbin (DP) - James Place/Ken Neill (EM) - Luke Stear (EP) - Dean Causey/Chuck Rickert (FM) - Chuck Rickert (FP) - Frank Baptista (GM) - Ted Baumgartner (GP) - Martin Tanner (HM)
Coppa Inter-Europa @ Monza - Luigi Taramazzo (GT+1.3) - Vladimiro Toselli (GT1.3) - Mario Poltonieri (GT750)
NASCAR Grand National @ Birmingham - Fireball Roberts
500km Interlagos - Fritz d'Orey
NASCAR Grand National @ Sacramento - Parnelli Jones
Léopoldville Grand Prix - Pierre Berchem
Archie Scott Brown Memorial Trophy @ Snetterton - Ross Jensen (S+2.7) - Brian Naylor (S2.7) - Edward Greenall (S1.6) - Innes Ireland (S1.1/Elva/Lotus) - Don PArker (British F3)
Lime Rock International Open (USAC Road Racing Championship) - George Constantine
NASCAR Grand National @ Gastonia - Buck Baker
Harewood Acres 1-hour Race - Dennis Coad (One-Hour/S1.5) - Ray Carter (S+1.5) - Ed Leavens (PS+1.5) - Harry Blanchard (PS1.5)
RAC Tourist Trophy @ Goodwood (World Sportscar Championship) - Stirling Moss/Maurice Trintignant (Overall/S3.0) - Jean Behra/Edgar Barth (S2.0) - Peter Ashdown/Gordon Jones (S1.1)
Hoosier Hundred @ Indiana State Fairgrounds (USAC ChampCar) - Eddy Sachs
Circuito di Salerno - Berardo Taraschi
Danish Formula Three @ Roskildering - Poul Rasmussen
Finnish Formula Three @ Turku - Heimo Hietarinta
Richmond 200 (NASCAR Grand National) - Speedy Thompson
Watkins Glen Grand Prix (SCCA Nationals) - Gaston Andrey (Glen National) - Jim Jeffords (Glen Trophy/BP) - Ed Crawford (Grand Prix/CM) - Harry Carter (CP) - Dick Thompson (DP) - Gilbert Geitner (EM) - Arch Means (Dix Cup/EP) - Bob Holbert (Queen Catherine Cup/FM) - Harry Blanchard (Schuyler Carrera Cup/FP) - Floyd Aaskov (GM) - Frank Baptista (GM) - Chuck Stoddard (GP) - John Milos (HM) - Richard Toland (HP) - Bob Bucher (Collier Brothers Memorial) - Phil Cade (Seneca Cup/UR) - Jacques DuPont (F3) - Margaret Wyllie (Ladies)
International Gold Cup Meeting @ Oulton Park - Ivor Bueb (S+2.0) - Roy Salvadori (S2.0) - Innes Ireland (S1.5) - Alan Stacey (S1.1) - Tommy Bridger (British F3)
Internationales AVUSrennen - Jean Behra (Berlin Grand Prix/S1.5) - Wolfgang Seidel (S2.0) - Huschke von Hanstein (GT1.6) - Karl Foitek (GT1.3)
Pacific Coast Championship @ Del Mar - Walter Edmiston (BM) - Fred Grant (BP) - Art Evans (CP) - Dick Morgensen (DM) - Pierce Venable (DP) - Jack Nethercutt (EM) - Gordon Crowder (EP) - Bob Challman (FM) - Jimmy Moore (FP) - Ronnie Bucknum (FP) - Don Maslin (GM) - Don Burrows (GP) - Bill Molle (HM) - Josie von Neumann (Ladies)
East German Formula Three @ Dresden-Hellerau - Jos Savenier
Marlboro Grand Prix (USAC Road Racing Championship) - George Constantine
Coupes d'Automne @ Montlhéry - Fernand Tavano
Angolan Grand Prix - Jimmy de Villiers
Tour de France automobile - Olivier Gendebien/Lucien Bianchi (Overall/GT) - Jean Hébert/Bernard Consten (T)
BRSCC Meeting @ Full Sutton - Innes Ireland (Formula Libre/Sports/S1.1) - R.H. Smith (S1.5) - I.H.S. Smith (GT+1.6) - Ted Lund (GT1.6) - Jack Pitcher (British F3)
British Formula Three @ Goodwood - Tommy Bridger
British Formula Three @ Silverstone - George Symonds
Pacific Coast Championship @ Hourglass Field - Bob Bondurant (BP) - Bill Love (CP) - Dick Morgensen (DM) - Max Gordon (DP) - Bob Harris (EP) - Jack McAfee (FM) - Ronnie Bucknum (FP) - Jock Ross (GM) - Robert Patton (GP) - Harry Jones (HM) - Bill Louden (HP) - Jim Fox (KP) - Josie von Neumann (Ladies) - Jack Brink (F3) - Jack Gleghorn (Sedan/MG)
Trenton 100 (USAC ChampCar) - Rodger Ward
NASCAR Grand National @ Hillsboro - Joe Eubanks
Winfield JC Meeting @ Charterhall - Ron Flockhart (Unlimited) - Innes Ireland (Vintage S+1.5/S1.5) - W.A. Thompson (GT+1.6) - G. Durham (GT1.6) - Tommy Entwistle (Other Engines) - Gordon Chippendale (British F3)
International Formula Libre Grand Prix @ Watkins Glen (USAC Road Racing Championship) - Jo Bonnier
British Formula Three @ Silverstone - Peter Luke/George Symonds
British Formula Three @ Catterick - Gordon Chippendale
kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
Gonzo wrote:Wasn't there some sort of communisim in the East part of Germany?
Re: Alt-1958: Enter Morocco!
October 4th 1958, Moroccan Grand Prix qualifying
The Italian Grand Prix dealt a major blow to the title hopes of anyone not named Peter Collins. Most of the contenders failed to score outright, though by all rights Hernando da Silva Ramos should have closed the gap to three points. When the O.S.C.A. ran out of fuel, it guaranteed that Collins would have a 13-point lead coming to Morocco. Marimón and Surtees, the other two still in contention, have to win both remaining races while Collins scores in neither. Ramos must finish on the podium to stay in the fight at all, while Collins can seal the title by finishing in the top two. All four contenders are indeed among the 31 drivers present on the outskirts of Casablanca for the season's penultimate race.
2. Bruce Kessler (Ecurie Guillon Bachot) - Lotus 10 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 15
4. Stuart Lewis-Evans (Connaught-McAlpine) - Connaught Type C chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 10
6. John Love (John Love) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 9, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 13
8. Mike Hawthorn (Cooper Car Company) - Cooper T45 chassis 2, Climax FPF V engine 3
10. Bruce McLaren (Cooper Car Company) - Cooper T45 chassis 1, Climax FPF V engine 1
12. Roy Salvadori (Vandervell Products Ltd.) - Vanwall VW58 chassis 1, Vanwall VE2 engine 5
14. José Froilán González (Rob Walker Racing) - Lotus 12 chassis 5, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 6
16. Alan Stacey (Owen Racing Organisation) - B.C.M.A. RP.1001 chassis 1, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern engine 2
18. Jack Fairman (Owen Racing Organisation) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 13, BRM P26 engine 4
20. Ian Fraser Jones (Ian Fraser Jones) - Vanwall VW58 chassis 3, Alfa Romeo AR2V8 engine 5
22. Hernando da Silva Ramos (O.S.C.A.) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 1
24. Ottorino Volonterio (O.S.C.A.) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 2, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 2
26. Jo Bonnier (O.S.C.A.) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 4, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 4
28. Juan Manuel Fangio (O.S.C.A.) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 6, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 3
30. André Guelfi (Scuderia Centro Sud) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 5, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 14
32. Redmond Gallagher (Scuderia Centro Sud) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 10, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 5
34. Wolfgang von Trips (Team Lotus) - Lotus 12 chassis 4, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 10
36. Olivier Gendebien (Team Lotus) - Lotus 12 chassis 2, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 11
38. Graham Hill (Team Lotus) - Lotus 12 chassis 1, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern engine 5
40. Jack Brabham (B.C.M.A.) - B.C.M.A. RP.1001 Mk. II chassis 1, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern B engine 1
42. Stirling Moss (B.C.M.A.) - B.C.M.A. RP.1001 Mk. II chassis 2, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern B engine 4
44. John Surtees (B.C.M.A.) - B.C.M.A. RP.1001 Mk. II chassis 3, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern B engine 3
46. Duncan Hamilton (B.C.M.A.) - B.C.M.A. RP.1001 chassis 2, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern engine 4
48. Peter Collins (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 1, Ferrari 143 engine 1
50. Onofre Marimón (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 2, Ferrari 143 engine 4
52. Masten Gregory (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 4, Ferrari 143 engine 6
54. André Simon (Écurie Voeckler) - Gordini Type 56/B chassis 1, Gordini G258/B engine 1
56. Robert Manzon (Écurie Voeckler) - Gordini Type 56/B chassis 4, Gordini G258/B engine 2
58. Robert La Caze (Robert La Caze) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 5, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 7
60. Umberto Maglioli (Jan de Vroom) - Ferrari 246 chassis 5, Ferrari 143 engine 5
62. Jan de Vroom (Jan de Vroom) - Ferrari 801 chassis 4, Ferrari DS50 engine 2
-Faced with imminent bankruptcy, Guillon Bachot decided to go out with one last entry in Morocco. As always, Bruce Kessler is driving the Lotus-O.S.C.A..
-Similarly, although they may yet stand a chance of survival, Connaught have brought the Type C for Stuart Lewis-Evans to drive.
-As always, we have some privateers. The prospect of an African race has prompted the best of the booming South African scene to appear: Rhodesian John Love driving a new O.S.C.A. and compatriot Ian Fraser Jones in a Vanwall-Alfa Romeo. Local Robert La Caze has entered a 1956 O.S.C.A., and Jan de Vroom is fielding two Ferraris for himself and Umberto Maglioli after the Italian was benched from the main squad of Collins, Marimón and Gregory.
-Luigi Musso having once again failed to impress in Monza, Bruce McLaren has been brought back alongside Hawthorn in the second works Cooper.
-Due to the costs associated with crossing the Mediterranean, Rob Walker deemed it unnecessary to send Dan Gurney to Morocco. Only González will be representing the wealthy team owner.
-After de Filippis' return in Monza, it's Jack Fairman who steps back into the Owen O.S.C.A. alongside Alan Stacey. More points are on the table, but the second car has been deadweight for a while now.
-Scuderia Centro Sud, away from their home race, enter two cars. Regular Gallagher is back, as is the surprising podium-scorer André Guelfi following his second place finish in Monza.
-Team Lotus, continuing its driver merry-go-round in agreement with Ferrari, will be fielding the usual Graham Hill, along with Wolfgang von Trips and Olivier Gendebien. Behra is left home, despite scoring a point in Monza.
-Ecurie Voeckler has also downsized due to the long distance from home and the damage sustained to Trintignant's car in his Monza crash, only fielding André Simon and Robert Manzon as a result.
-On top of the teams reducing their presence, several have outright decided not to appear at all, including Scuderia Ugolini, MSG Köthen and Alexander Racing Team.
With 28 spots on Sunday's grid, three drivers will fail to make the cut. There may well be competition for the last spots!
The Italian Grand Prix dealt a major blow to the title hopes of anyone not named Peter Collins. Most of the contenders failed to score outright, though by all rights Hernando da Silva Ramos should have closed the gap to three points. When the O.S.C.A. ran out of fuel, it guaranteed that Collins would have a 13-point lead coming to Morocco. Marimón and Surtees, the other two still in contention, have to win both remaining races while Collins scores in neither. Ramos must finish on the podium to stay in the fight at all, while Collins can seal the title by finishing in the top two. All four contenders are indeed among the 31 drivers present on the outskirts of Casablanca for the season's penultimate race.
2. Bruce Kessler (Ecurie Guillon Bachot) - Lotus 10 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 15
4. Stuart Lewis-Evans (Connaught-McAlpine) - Connaught Type C chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 10
6. John Love (John Love) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 9, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 13
8. Mike Hawthorn (Cooper Car Company) - Cooper T45 chassis 2, Climax FPF V engine 3
10. Bruce McLaren (Cooper Car Company) - Cooper T45 chassis 1, Climax FPF V engine 1
12. Roy Salvadori (Vandervell Products Ltd.) - Vanwall VW58 chassis 1, Vanwall VE2 engine 5
14. José Froilán González (Rob Walker Racing) - Lotus 12 chassis 5, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 6
16. Alan Stacey (Owen Racing Organisation) - B.C.M.A. RP.1001 chassis 1, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern engine 2
18. Jack Fairman (Owen Racing Organisation) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 13, BRM P26 engine 4
20. Ian Fraser Jones (Ian Fraser Jones) - Vanwall VW58 chassis 3, Alfa Romeo AR2V8 engine 5
22. Hernando da Silva Ramos (O.S.C.A.) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 1
24. Ottorino Volonterio (O.S.C.A.) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 2, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 2
26. Jo Bonnier (O.S.C.A.) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 4, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 4
28. Juan Manuel Fangio (O.S.C.A.) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 6, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 3
30. André Guelfi (Scuderia Centro Sud) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 5, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 14
32. Redmond Gallagher (Scuderia Centro Sud) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 10, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 5
34. Wolfgang von Trips (Team Lotus) - Lotus 12 chassis 4, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 10
36. Olivier Gendebien (Team Lotus) - Lotus 12 chassis 2, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 11
38. Graham Hill (Team Lotus) - Lotus 12 chassis 1, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern engine 5
40. Jack Brabham (B.C.M.A.) - B.C.M.A. RP.1001 Mk. II chassis 1, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern B engine 1
42. Stirling Moss (B.C.M.A.) - B.C.M.A. RP.1001 Mk. II chassis 2, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern B engine 4
44. John Surtees (B.C.M.A.) - B.C.M.A. RP.1001 Mk. II chassis 3, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern B engine 3
46. Duncan Hamilton (B.C.M.A.) - B.C.M.A. RP.1001 chassis 2, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern engine 4
48. Peter Collins (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 1, Ferrari 143 engine 1
50. Onofre Marimón (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 2, Ferrari 143 engine 4
52. Masten Gregory (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 246 chassis 4, Ferrari 143 engine 6
54. André Simon (Écurie Voeckler) - Gordini Type 56/B chassis 1, Gordini G258/B engine 1
56. Robert Manzon (Écurie Voeckler) - Gordini Type 56/B chassis 4, Gordini G258/B engine 2
58. Robert La Caze (Robert La Caze) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 5, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 7
60. Umberto Maglioli (Jan de Vroom) - Ferrari 246 chassis 5, Ferrari 143 engine 5
62. Jan de Vroom (Jan de Vroom) - Ferrari 801 chassis 4, Ferrari DS50 engine 2
-Faced with imminent bankruptcy, Guillon Bachot decided to go out with one last entry in Morocco. As always, Bruce Kessler is driving the Lotus-O.S.C.A..
-Similarly, although they may yet stand a chance of survival, Connaught have brought the Type C for Stuart Lewis-Evans to drive.
-As always, we have some privateers. The prospect of an African race has prompted the best of the booming South African scene to appear: Rhodesian John Love driving a new O.S.C.A. and compatriot Ian Fraser Jones in a Vanwall-Alfa Romeo. Local Robert La Caze has entered a 1956 O.S.C.A., and Jan de Vroom is fielding two Ferraris for himself and Umberto Maglioli after the Italian was benched from the main squad of Collins, Marimón and Gregory.
-Luigi Musso having once again failed to impress in Monza, Bruce McLaren has been brought back alongside Hawthorn in the second works Cooper.
-Due to the costs associated with crossing the Mediterranean, Rob Walker deemed it unnecessary to send Dan Gurney to Morocco. Only González will be representing the wealthy team owner.
-After de Filippis' return in Monza, it's Jack Fairman who steps back into the Owen O.S.C.A. alongside Alan Stacey. More points are on the table, but the second car has been deadweight for a while now.
-Scuderia Centro Sud, away from their home race, enter two cars. Regular Gallagher is back, as is the surprising podium-scorer André Guelfi following his second place finish in Monza.
-Team Lotus, continuing its driver merry-go-round in agreement with Ferrari, will be fielding the usual Graham Hill, along with Wolfgang von Trips and Olivier Gendebien. Behra is left home, despite scoring a point in Monza.
-Ecurie Voeckler has also downsized due to the long distance from home and the damage sustained to Trintignant's car in his Monza crash, only fielding André Simon and Robert Manzon as a result.
-On top of the teams reducing their presence, several have outright decided not to appear at all, including Scuderia Ugolini, MSG Köthen and Alexander Racing Team.
With 28 spots on Sunday's grid, three drivers will fail to make the cut. There may well be competition for the last spots!
kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
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Re: Alt-1958: Morocco in preparation!
Here is qualifying performance.
Hill - 126
Simon - 121
Fairman - 121
Maglioli - 119
Kessler - 118
Ramos - 118
Guelfi - 118
Brabham - 118
Manzon - 117
von Trips - 117
Salvadori - 116
Stacey - 115
Moss - 115
De Vroom - 114
Bonnier - 114
Fangio - 114
Volonterio - 113
Collins - 113
Fraser Jones - 113
Surtees - 112
la Caze - 112
McLaren - 111
Gregory - 111
Gendebien - 111
Lewis-Evans - 110
Gallagher - 110
Marimón - 110
Hawthorn - 108
González - 108
Hamilton - 107
Love - 104
Hill - 126
Simon - 121
Fairman - 121
Maglioli - 119
Kessler - 118
Ramos - 118
Guelfi - 118
Brabham - 118
Manzon - 117
von Trips - 117
Salvadori - 116
Stacey - 115
Moss - 115
De Vroom - 114
Bonnier - 114
Fangio - 114
Volonterio - 113
Collins - 113
Fraser Jones - 113
Surtees - 112
la Caze - 112
McLaren - 111
Gregory - 111
Gendebien - 111
Lewis-Evans - 110
Gallagher - 110
Marimón - 110
Hawthorn - 108
González - 108
Hamilton - 107
Love - 104
kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
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Re: Alt-1958: Morocco in preparation!
Just for the record, I would like any of my drivers (out of Kessler, Lewis-Evans and Love) who qualify to have a fast start strategy.
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Qualifying results
1. Hernando da Silva Ramos (O.S.C.A.) - 2:23.39
2. Peter Collins (Ferrari) - 2:23.44
3. Stirling Moss (B.C.M.A.) - 2:24.19
4. Masten Gregory (Ferrari) - 2:24.82
5. Onofre Marimón (Ferrari) - 2:26.08
6. Robert Manzon (Gordini) - 2:26.59
7. Alan Stacey (B.C.M.A.) - 2:26.71
8. Mike Hawthorn (Cooper-Climax) - 2:27.36
9. José Froilán González (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) - 2:27.45
10. Jo Bonnier (O.S.C.A.) - 2:28.25
11. Graham Hill (Lotus-B.C.M.A.) - 2:28.48
12. André Simon (Gordini) - 2:28.71
13. Jack Brabham (B.C.M.A.) - 2:28.80
14. Wolfgang von Trips (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) - 2:29.80
15. Duncan Hamilton (B.C.M.A.) - 2:30.88
16. Juan Manuel Fangio (O.S.C.A.) - 2:31.31
17. André Guelfi (O.S.C.A.) - 2:31.31
18. Redmond Gallagher (O.S.C.A.) - 2:31.54
19. Bruce McLaren (Cooper-Climax) - 2:32.12
20. Ottorino Volonterio (O.S.C.A.) - 2:32.29
21. Roy Salvadori (Vanwall) - 2:32.74
22. Umberto Maglioli (Ferrari) - 2:32.77
23. Olivier Gendebien (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) - 2:34.09
24. John Surtees (B.C.M.A.) - 2:34.32
25. Jack Fairman (O.S.C.A.-BRM) - 2:38.38
26. Stuart Lewis-Evans (Connaught-O.S.C.A.) - 2:39.21
27. Bruce Kessler (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) - 2:39.64
28. Jan De Vroom (Ferrari) - 2:40.42
29. Ian Fraser Jones (Vanwall-Alfa Romeo) - 2:41.99
30. John Love (O.S.C.A.) - 2:42.10
31. Robert La Caze (O.S.C.A.) - 2:42.36
Though he has Collins right behind, Ramos puts himself in the best possible position to take the title race to Sebring. Robert Manzon surprisingly leads the Voeckler squad, the warmer air presumably helping the Marseillais over the Parisian Simon. Lotus also manage a good haul, with both von Trips and Hill in the top 15. B.C.M.A. got the worst deal, only Moss even managing a top ten start. Brabham, Hamilton and Surtees all suffered from lack of track time.
The small entry list compared to the grid helps the Connaught Type C to make the grid again, as well as Bruce Kessler's Bachot-entered Lotus and Jan De Vroom's Ferrari. Sadly, it was the African entrants who lost out as a result, with both Rhodesian drivers at least outpacing the most local of the all, Robert La Caze.
1. Hernando da Silva Ramos (O.S.C.A.) - 2:23.39
2. Peter Collins (Ferrari) - 2:23.44
3. Stirling Moss (B.C.M.A.) - 2:24.19
4. Masten Gregory (Ferrari) - 2:24.82
5. Onofre Marimón (Ferrari) - 2:26.08
6. Robert Manzon (Gordini) - 2:26.59
7. Alan Stacey (B.C.M.A.) - 2:26.71
8. Mike Hawthorn (Cooper-Climax) - 2:27.36
9. José Froilán González (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) - 2:27.45
10. Jo Bonnier (O.S.C.A.) - 2:28.25
11. Graham Hill (Lotus-B.C.M.A.) - 2:28.48
12. André Simon (Gordini) - 2:28.71
13. Jack Brabham (B.C.M.A.) - 2:28.80
14. Wolfgang von Trips (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) - 2:29.80
15. Duncan Hamilton (B.C.M.A.) - 2:30.88
16. Juan Manuel Fangio (O.S.C.A.) - 2:31.31
17. André Guelfi (O.S.C.A.) - 2:31.31
18. Redmond Gallagher (O.S.C.A.) - 2:31.54
19. Bruce McLaren (Cooper-Climax) - 2:32.12
20. Ottorino Volonterio (O.S.C.A.) - 2:32.29
21. Roy Salvadori (Vanwall) - 2:32.74
22. Umberto Maglioli (Ferrari) - 2:32.77
23. Olivier Gendebien (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) - 2:34.09
24. John Surtees (B.C.M.A.) - 2:34.32
25. Jack Fairman (O.S.C.A.-BRM) - 2:38.38
26. Stuart Lewis-Evans (Connaught-O.S.C.A.) - 2:39.21
27. Bruce Kessler (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) - 2:39.64
28. Jan De Vroom (Ferrari) - 2:40.42
29. Ian Fraser Jones (Vanwall-Alfa Romeo) - 2:41.99
30. John Love (O.S.C.A.) - 2:42.10
31. Robert La Caze (O.S.C.A.) - 2:42.36
Though he has Collins right behind, Ramos puts himself in the best possible position to take the title race to Sebring. Robert Manzon surprisingly leads the Voeckler squad, the warmer air presumably helping the Marseillais over the Parisian Simon. Lotus also manage a good haul, with both von Trips and Hill in the top 15. B.C.M.A. got the worst deal, only Moss even managing a top ten start. Brabham, Hamilton and Surtees all suffered from lack of track time.
The small entry list compared to the grid helps the Connaught Type C to make the grid again, as well as Bruce Kessler's Bachot-entered Lotus and Jan De Vroom's Ferrari. Sadly, it was the African entrants who lost out as a result, with both Rhodesian drivers at least outpacing the most local of the all, Robert La Caze.
kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
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Re: Alt-1958: Morocco in preparation!
Is it possible for me to create a privateer entry for the United States Grand Prix?
If so I’d like to enquire about a car for the event
If so I’d like to enquire about a car for the event
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Re: Alt-1958: Morocco in preparation!
American GT Racer Caroll Shelby wants to express interest in an entry into the United States Grand Prix, having notched many miles under his belt in sports cars for Ferrari. Shelby wants to know if Ferrari can provide a rental or a special entry into the US Grand Prix based on his good standing with the company.
Any other rental offers may be considered as well.
(In real life Shelby did race F1 in 1958 and 1959, and I use that to justify this entry into this canon.)
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Ecurie Maghreb will scrap or sell off its assets to any buyer interested in the team's assets.
If no one else has a contract with André Guelfi for the Moroccan and US Grand Prix, he would be interested in the rental or purchase of a chassis and engine, with subsidies provided by the Moroccan government to ensure that the chassis and engine would be paid for in full.
Any other rental offers may be considered as well.
(In real life Shelby did race F1 in 1958 and 1959, and I use that to justify this entry into this canon.)
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Moroccan Department of the Press wrote:We have dissolved Ecurie Maghreb, as we feel that the team is lacking in performance, and with the heavy financial burden of hosting the Moroccan Grand Prix, the government will dissolve the team.
However, Morocco still wishes to cultivate Moroccan talent for Grand Prix racing. For André Guelfi, Robert la Caze and any other Moroccan driver, we will offer funding to let them race as private entrants, letting them use the money as they deem fit so long as the funding is used for racing in Grand Prix and other top-level motorsport categories.
Ecurie Maghreb will scrap or sell off its assets to any buyer interested in the team's assets.
If no one else has a contract with André Guelfi for the Moroccan and US Grand Prix, he would be interested in the rental or purchase of a chassis and engine, with subsidies provided by the Moroccan government to ensure that the chassis and engine would be paid for in full.
Klon wrote:What did poor André do to you for him to be insulted like that?
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FortiWinks wrote:Is it possible for me to create a privateer entry for the United States Grand Prix?
If so I’d like to enquire about a car for the event
Entirely possible, although the entry list for Sebring isn't yet open. Nothing stopping you from looking around, though!
CaptainGetz12 wrote:American GT Racer Caroll Shelby wants to express interest in an entry into the United States Grand Prix, having notched many miles under his belt in sports cars for Ferrari. Shelby wants to know if Ferrari can provide a rental or a special entry into the US Grand Prix based on his good standing with the company.
Any other rental offers may be considered as well.
(In real life Shelby did race F1 in 1958 and 1959, and I use that to justify this entry into this canon.)
- - - - - - - - -Moroccan Department of the Press wrote:We have dissolved Ecurie Maghreb, as we feel that the team is lacking in performance, and with the heavy financial burden of hosting the Moroccan Grand Prix, the government will dissolve the team.
However, Morocco still wishes to cultivate Moroccan talent for Grand Prix racing. For André Guelfi, Robert la Caze and any other Moroccan driver, we will offer funding to let them race as private entrants, letting them use the money as they deem fit so long as the funding is used for racing in Grand Prix and other top-level motorsport categories.
Ecurie Maghreb will scrap or sell off its assets to any buyer interested in the team's assets.
If no one else has a contract with André Guelfi for the Moroccan and US Grand Prix, he would be interested in the rental or purchase of a chassis and engine, with subsidies provided by the Moroccan government to ensure that the chassis and engine would be paid for in full.
Carroll Shelby was paralysed in an accident in 1954 (at least in this universe) and therefore cannot be entered as a driver. However, he can conceivably remain a team director, so as long as you find a driver for the entry, that's fine.
kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
Gonzo wrote:Wasn't there some sort of communisim in the East part of Germany?
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Race performance!
Moss 38
De Vroom 32
Volonterio 28
Hamilton 19
Lewis-Evans 13
Stacey 12
González 12
Brabham 10
Gallagher 8
Salvadori 8
Hawthorn 4
Gregory 2
Bonnier 2
Guelfi -1
Ramos -2
Marimón -3
McLaren -3
Gendebien -3
Hill -4
Manzon -6
Fairman -6
Kessler -10
Fangio -11
Surtees -11
Collins -21
von Trips -23
Maglioli -29
Simon -32
15 drivers will finish the race. No one will crash, aside from eventual collisions, and one engine will fail.
Moss 38
De Vroom 32
Volonterio 28
Hamilton 19
Lewis-Evans 13
Stacey 12
González 12
Brabham 10
Gallagher 8
Salvadori 8
Hawthorn 4
Gregory 2
Bonnier 2
Guelfi -1
Ramos -2
Marimón -3
McLaren -3
Gendebien -3
Hill -4
Manzon -6
Fairman -6
Kessler -10
Fangio -11
Surtees -11
Collins -21
von Trips -23
Maglioli -29
Simon -32
15 drivers will finish the race. No one will crash, aside from eventual collisions, and one engine will fail.
kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
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Klon wrote:What did poor André do to you for him to be insulted like that?
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Re: Alt-1958: Morocco in preparation!
Vulture Engineering Inc. would like to enquire about whether the Cooper T41 & Climax FPF IV that Cooper Cars were offering was still available for the upcoming US GP.
Also Vulture will see if Roger Ward is interested in driving for us.
Also Vulture will see if Roger Ward is interested in driving for us.
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Re: Alt-1958: Morocco in preparation!
FortiWinks wrote:Vulture Engineering Inc. would like to enquire about whether the Cooper T41 & Climax FPF IV that Cooper Cars were offering was still available for the upcoming US GP.
Also Vulture will see if Roger Ward is interested in driving for us.
Cooper will happily lend Vulture the Cooper T41 package for the US GP
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peteroli34 wrote:FortiWinks wrote:Vulture Engineering Inc. would like to enquire about whether the Cooper T41 & Climax FPF IV that Cooper Cars were offering was still available for the upcoming US GP.
Also Vulture will see if Roger Ward is interested in driving for us.
Cooper will happily lend Vulture the Cooper T41 package for the US GP
Andre Guelfi is also interested in renting a Cooper T41 package for the US Grand Prix.
Klon wrote:What did poor André do to you for him to be insulted like that?
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Re: Alt-1958: Morocco in preparation!
CaptainGetz12 wrote:
Andre Guelfi is also interested in renting a Cooper T41 package for the US Grand Prix.
Cooper dont have another T41 package but we have a T45 package available if you want.
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Re: Alt-1958: Morocco in preparation!
peteroli34 wrote:CaptainGetz12 wrote:
Andre Guelfi is also interested in renting a Cooper T41 package for the US Grand Prix.
Cooper dont have another T41 package but we have a T45 package available if you want.
Bruce Kessler would also express an interest in loaning the T45 package, as Bachot aren't making the trip to Sebring.
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peteroli34 wrote:CaptainGetz12 wrote:
Andre Guelfi is also interested in renting a Cooper T41 package for the US Grand Prix.
Cooper dont have another T41 package but we have a T45 package available if you want.
Guelfi will take the T45 offer, and a Climax FPF V or FPF IV engine if any are still available.
Can I get a chassis and engine number as well for the private entry?
Klon wrote:What did poor André do to you for him to be insulted like that?
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Re: Alt-1958: Morocco in preparation!
Scuderia Centro Sud give permission for Andre Guelph to compete under his own name, as SCS will not be partaking in the US Grand Prix due to budgetary reasons.
Klon wrote:more liek Nick Ass-idy amirite?
Re: Alt-1958: Morocco in preparation!
October 5th 1958, Moroccan Grand Prix
The entire top three started well, as well as Marimón, though it was Peter Collins who took the lead on the first lap. Ramos fell behind over the first few laps as Collins pulled away from Moss and Marimón, while Bonnier was the first retirement of the race when his gearbox failed on the second lap. When Moss retired from a puncture two laps later, Brabham passed Ramos as well to reach third place. The Australian had already made up ten spots in four laps. The opposite was happening to the Brazilian, who was soon left in the dust of André Simon and Duncan Hamilton. André Guelfi was next in line to overtake Ramos until his O.S.C.A.'s oven cooked up a serving of clutch brûlée.
While Ramos continued to drop down the order, Brabham was challenging Ferrari's 1-2 by lap seven, threatening to pass Marimón. Robert Manzon was the next to retire with transmission issues, leaving 24 drivers in the running. By the tenth lap, Collins still held the lead over Marimón, Brabham, Simon, Hamilton and Gallagher, with Ramos only eighth. It soon became clear that Collins didn't have much in reserve though, as Marimón began to challenge his British teammate for the lead on lap 14. Collins was reluctant to relinquish the leadership, but two laps later Marimón was able to blow past and reverse the Ferrari 1-2. Good for the works team at least, as De Vroom's private machine dropped out with brake issues. The situation appeared to be complicating as Brabham caught the leading duo, but the promised battle fizzled out before it could even begin. The B.C.M.A. contracted acute gearbox failure and the Australian was out of the race.
André Simon inherited third place, but he was by no means safe. Duncan Hamilton, Redmond Gallagher and John Surtees were all knocking on the Frenchman's door, desperate for a taste of a podium spot. The first man to take advantage was Gallagher, who launched a lunge on lap 20 to pass both Hamilton and Simon for third position. Hamilton took the opportunity to follow the Irishman through into fourth. Further behind, a fight was developing for seventh between Hawthorn, Ramos, Volonterio and a sensational Bruce Kessler. While these fights continued, the race lost another competitor when Wolfgang von Trips' engine began to spew smoke from the wrong orifices.
Something else that was evaporating was Ramos' title shot, as despite his obvious pace, he was mired in the midfield battle and unable to catch the leaders. Further ahead, Redmond Gallagher was having the opposite problem, attempting to pull off a heroic defense against the faster Hamilton and Surtees. Hamilton failed to spot an opening for ten laps, but once Surtees was given the opportunity, the young gun immediately breezed past the O.S.C.A. man. Hamilton followed suit, leaving Gallagher and Simon to fend off the charging Ramos and González. While this happened though, the back third of the field was imploding.
Masten Gregory's Ferrari got an oil leak mid-charge through the field, followed by Bruce McLaren's transmission, Olivier Gendebien's electrics and Juan Manuel Fangio and Jack Fairman's gearboxes. By this point, only sixteen drivers remained. González was sixth of them after passing Simon with ten laps remaining, ruthlessly gaining ground on the leaders. While the Argentine passed Gallagher, Ramos remained stuck behind Simon lap after lap as his title aspirations suffocated.
After a dozen laps of trying, Duncan Hamilton finally managed to pass John Surtees again, reigniting his hopes for a first podium, but his day was not over yet. González was now just behind the B.C.M.A. duo and was hoping to dispatch them fast. He very much did so, slipping past the Brits with five laps to go. He now had to catch the leading Ferraris, and he certainly had the pace for it. As the final lap started, the man they call the Pampas Bull was more threatening than he'd ever been, desperate for a race victory after eleven podiums. He soon passed Collins and briefly passed Marimón as well, but a mistake exiting the final corner allowed Marimón to pull alongside...and edge ahead for the win by just a few inches. It mattered little to Ferrari or Collins though, as the Brit's third place finish was enough to secure his first World Drivers' Championship. Unable to extricate himself from enough battles, Ramos finished the race fourth, ahead of Mike Hawthorn and Ottorino Volonterio, while Hamilton and Surtees dropped to seventh and eighth.
1. Onofre Marimón (Ferrari) 1:52:10.84
2. José Froilán González (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) +0.03
3. Peter Collins (Ferrari) +1.28
4. Hernando da Silva Ramos (O.S.C.A.) +45.10
5. Mike Hawthorn (Cooper-Climax) +1:20.77
6. Ottorino Volonterio (O.S.C.A.) +1:42.31
7. Duncan Hamilton (B.C.M.A.) +2:09.23
8. John Surtees (B.C.M.A.) +2:32.12
9. Redmond Gallagher (O.S.C.A.) +1 lap
10. Alan Stacey (B.C.M.A.) +1 lap
11. Graham Hill (Lotus-B.C.M.A.) +1 lap
12. Roy Salvadori (Vanwall) +1 lap
13. André Simon (Gordini) +2 laps/Out of fuel
14. Stuart Lewis-Evans (Connaught-O.S.C.A.) +2 laps
15. Bruce Kessler (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) +2 laps
16. Umberto Maglioli (Ferrari) +3 laps
Ret. Jack Fairman (O.S.C.A.-BRM) +8 laps/Gearbox
Ret. Juan Manuel Fangio (O.S.C.A.) +9 laps/Gearbox
Ret. Bruce McLaren (Cooper-Climax) +12 laps/Transmission
Ret. Olivier Gendebien (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) +12 laps/Electrics
Ret. Masten Gregory (Ferrari) +14 laps/Oil leak
Ret. Wolfgang von Trips (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) +25 laps/Engine
Ret. Jack Brabham (B.C.M.A.) +30 laps/Gearbox
Ret. Jan De Vroom (Ferrari) +32 laps/Brakes
Ret. Robert Manzon (Gordini) +39 laps/Transmission
Ret. André Guelfi (O.S.C.A.) +42 laps/Clutch
Ret. Stirling Moss (B.C.M.A.) +43 laps/Puncture
Ret. Jo Bonnier (O.S.C.A.) +45 laps/Gearbox
Fastest lap: Mike Hawthorn (Cooper-Climax) - 2:25.61
Championship standings
Drivers
1. Peter Collins - 44
2. Onofre Marimòn - 32
3. Hernando da Silva Ramos - 30
4. John Surtees - 23
5. Jack Brabham - 19
6. Masten Gregory - 15 (1 2nd, 2 3rds)
7. José Froilán González - 9 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
8. Georges Burggraf - 9 (1 win)
9. Stirling Moss - 9 (1 2nd)
10. Jo Bonnier - 8
11. André Guelfi - 6 (1 2nd)
12. Mike Hawthorn - 4 (1 3rd)
13. Alan Stacey - 5
14. Graham Hill - 4 (1 3rd)
15. Umberto Maglioli - 4 (1 4th)
16. Duncan Hamilton - 3 (1 4th, 1 7th)
17. Jack Fairman - 3 (1 4th, 1 17th)
18. Ottorino Volonterio - 3 (1 5th)
19. Heinz Melkus - 2 (1 5th, 2 11ths)
20. Olivier Gendebien - 2 (1 5th, 3 Rets)
21. Lex Davison - 2 (1 5th)
22. André Simon - 2 (2 6ths)
23. Juan Manuel Fangio - 1 (1 6th, 1 8th)
24. Redmond Gallagher - 1 (1 6th, 1 9th)
25. Jean Behra - 1 (1 6th, 1 13th)
26. Harry Schell - 1 (1 6th, 1 15th)
Constructors
1. Ferrari - 65
2. O.S.C.A. - 50
3. B.C.M.A. - 46
4. Lotus-O.S.C.A. - 20
5. Cooper-Climax - 6
6. O.S.C.A.-BRM - 3
7. Lotus-Ferrari - 2 (1 5th)
8. Gordini - 2 (2 6ths)
Entrants
1. Scuderia Ferrari - 65
2. British Commonwealth Motorsport Association - 46
3. Officine Specializzate Costruzione Automobili - 27
4. Rob Walker Racing - 16
5. Scuderia Centro Sud - 13
6. Alexander Racing Team - 9
7. Team Lotus - 6 (1 3rd, 1 5th, 1 6th)
8. Cooper Car Company - 6 (1 3rd, 1 5th, 1 7th)
9. Owen Racing Organisation - 6 (1 4th)
10. MSG Köthen - 2 (1 5th, 1 11th)
11. L. Davison - 2 (1 5th)
12. Écurie Voeckler - 2 (2 6ths)
The entire top three started well, as well as Marimón, though it was Peter Collins who took the lead on the first lap. Ramos fell behind over the first few laps as Collins pulled away from Moss and Marimón, while Bonnier was the first retirement of the race when his gearbox failed on the second lap. When Moss retired from a puncture two laps later, Brabham passed Ramos as well to reach third place. The Australian had already made up ten spots in four laps. The opposite was happening to the Brazilian, who was soon left in the dust of André Simon and Duncan Hamilton. André Guelfi was next in line to overtake Ramos until his O.S.C.A.'s oven cooked up a serving of clutch brûlée.
While Ramos continued to drop down the order, Brabham was challenging Ferrari's 1-2 by lap seven, threatening to pass Marimón. Robert Manzon was the next to retire with transmission issues, leaving 24 drivers in the running. By the tenth lap, Collins still held the lead over Marimón, Brabham, Simon, Hamilton and Gallagher, with Ramos only eighth. It soon became clear that Collins didn't have much in reserve though, as Marimón began to challenge his British teammate for the lead on lap 14. Collins was reluctant to relinquish the leadership, but two laps later Marimón was able to blow past and reverse the Ferrari 1-2. Good for the works team at least, as De Vroom's private machine dropped out with brake issues. The situation appeared to be complicating as Brabham caught the leading duo, but the promised battle fizzled out before it could even begin. The B.C.M.A. contracted acute gearbox failure and the Australian was out of the race.
André Simon inherited third place, but he was by no means safe. Duncan Hamilton, Redmond Gallagher and John Surtees were all knocking on the Frenchman's door, desperate for a taste of a podium spot. The first man to take advantage was Gallagher, who launched a lunge on lap 20 to pass both Hamilton and Simon for third position. Hamilton took the opportunity to follow the Irishman through into fourth. Further behind, a fight was developing for seventh between Hawthorn, Ramos, Volonterio and a sensational Bruce Kessler. While these fights continued, the race lost another competitor when Wolfgang von Trips' engine began to spew smoke from the wrong orifices.
Something else that was evaporating was Ramos' title shot, as despite his obvious pace, he was mired in the midfield battle and unable to catch the leaders. Further ahead, Redmond Gallagher was having the opposite problem, attempting to pull off a heroic defense against the faster Hamilton and Surtees. Hamilton failed to spot an opening for ten laps, but once Surtees was given the opportunity, the young gun immediately breezed past the O.S.C.A. man. Hamilton followed suit, leaving Gallagher and Simon to fend off the charging Ramos and González. While this happened though, the back third of the field was imploding.
Masten Gregory's Ferrari got an oil leak mid-charge through the field, followed by Bruce McLaren's transmission, Olivier Gendebien's electrics and Juan Manuel Fangio and Jack Fairman's gearboxes. By this point, only sixteen drivers remained. González was sixth of them after passing Simon with ten laps remaining, ruthlessly gaining ground on the leaders. While the Argentine passed Gallagher, Ramos remained stuck behind Simon lap after lap as his title aspirations suffocated.
After a dozen laps of trying, Duncan Hamilton finally managed to pass John Surtees again, reigniting his hopes for a first podium, but his day was not over yet. González was now just behind the B.C.M.A. duo and was hoping to dispatch them fast. He very much did so, slipping past the Brits with five laps to go. He now had to catch the leading Ferraris, and he certainly had the pace for it. As the final lap started, the man they call the Pampas Bull was more threatening than he'd ever been, desperate for a race victory after eleven podiums. He soon passed Collins and briefly passed Marimón as well, but a mistake exiting the final corner allowed Marimón to pull alongside...and edge ahead for the win by just a few inches. It mattered little to Ferrari or Collins though, as the Brit's third place finish was enough to secure his first World Drivers' Championship. Unable to extricate himself from enough battles, Ramos finished the race fourth, ahead of Mike Hawthorn and Ottorino Volonterio, while Hamilton and Surtees dropped to seventh and eighth.
1. Onofre Marimón (Ferrari) 1:52:10.84
2. José Froilán González (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) +0.03
3. Peter Collins (Ferrari) +1.28
4. Hernando da Silva Ramos (O.S.C.A.) +45.10
5. Mike Hawthorn (Cooper-Climax) +1:20.77
6. Ottorino Volonterio (O.S.C.A.) +1:42.31
7. Duncan Hamilton (B.C.M.A.) +2:09.23
8. John Surtees (B.C.M.A.) +2:32.12
9. Redmond Gallagher (O.S.C.A.) +1 lap
10. Alan Stacey (B.C.M.A.) +1 lap
11. Graham Hill (Lotus-B.C.M.A.) +1 lap
12. Roy Salvadori (Vanwall) +1 lap
13. André Simon (Gordini) +2 laps/Out of fuel
14. Stuart Lewis-Evans (Connaught-O.S.C.A.) +2 laps
15. Bruce Kessler (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) +2 laps
16. Umberto Maglioli (Ferrari) +3 laps
Ret. Jack Fairman (O.S.C.A.-BRM) +8 laps/Gearbox
Ret. Juan Manuel Fangio (O.S.C.A.) +9 laps/Gearbox
Ret. Bruce McLaren (Cooper-Climax) +12 laps/Transmission
Ret. Olivier Gendebien (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) +12 laps/Electrics
Ret. Masten Gregory (Ferrari) +14 laps/Oil leak
Ret. Wolfgang von Trips (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) +25 laps/Engine
Ret. Jack Brabham (B.C.M.A.) +30 laps/Gearbox
Ret. Jan De Vroom (Ferrari) +32 laps/Brakes
Ret. Robert Manzon (Gordini) +39 laps/Transmission
Ret. André Guelfi (O.S.C.A.) +42 laps/Clutch
Ret. Stirling Moss (B.C.M.A.) +43 laps/Puncture
Ret. Jo Bonnier (O.S.C.A.) +45 laps/Gearbox
Fastest lap: Mike Hawthorn (Cooper-Climax) - 2:25.61
Championship standings
Drivers
1. Peter Collins - 44
2. Onofre Marimòn - 32
3. Hernando da Silva Ramos - 30
4. John Surtees - 23
5. Jack Brabham - 19
6. Masten Gregory - 15 (1 2nd, 2 3rds)
7. José Froilán González - 9 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
8. Georges Burggraf - 9 (1 win)
9. Stirling Moss - 9 (1 2nd)
10. Jo Bonnier - 8
11. André Guelfi - 6 (1 2nd)
12. Mike Hawthorn - 4 (1 3rd)
13. Alan Stacey - 5
14. Graham Hill - 4 (1 3rd)
15. Umberto Maglioli - 4 (1 4th)
16. Duncan Hamilton - 3 (1 4th, 1 7th)
17. Jack Fairman - 3 (1 4th, 1 17th)
18. Ottorino Volonterio - 3 (1 5th)
19. Heinz Melkus - 2 (1 5th, 2 11ths)
20. Olivier Gendebien - 2 (1 5th, 3 Rets)
21. Lex Davison - 2 (1 5th)
22. André Simon - 2 (2 6ths)
23. Juan Manuel Fangio - 1 (1 6th, 1 8th)
24. Redmond Gallagher - 1 (1 6th, 1 9th)
25. Jean Behra - 1 (1 6th, 1 13th)
26. Harry Schell - 1 (1 6th, 1 15th)
Constructors
1. Ferrari - 65
2. O.S.C.A. - 50
3. B.C.M.A. - 46
4. Lotus-O.S.C.A. - 20
5. Cooper-Climax - 6
6. O.S.C.A.-BRM - 3
7. Lotus-Ferrari - 2 (1 5th)
8. Gordini - 2 (2 6ths)
Entrants
1. Scuderia Ferrari - 65
2. British Commonwealth Motorsport Association - 46
3. Officine Specializzate Costruzione Automobili - 27
4. Rob Walker Racing - 16
5. Scuderia Centro Sud - 13
6. Alexander Racing Team - 9
7. Team Lotus - 6 (1 3rd, 1 5th, 1 6th)
8. Cooper Car Company - 6 (1 3rd, 1 5th, 1 7th)
9. Owen Racing Organisation - 6 (1 4th)
10. MSG Köthen - 2 (1 5th, 1 11th)
11. L. Davison - 2 (1 5th)
12. Écurie Voeckler - 2 (2 6ths)
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Re: Alt-1958: Morocco in preparation!
After discussing with Ferrari's owner (DemocalypseNow) Carroll Shelby will run a rental entry for Ferrari under his own name, but Ferrari will not disclose what chassis and engine they will send until management confirms if 1953 champion Tony Bettenhausen is cleared to return to Formula 1 or not.
If Bettenhausen takes the seat, Shelby will take the following entry for Sebring:
Team Name: Carroll Shelby
Driver: Tony Bettenhausen
Chassis: Ferrari 246 chassis 5 (Lease)
Engine: Ferrari 143 engine 5 (Lease)
If Bettenhausen takes the seat, Shelby will take the following entry for Sebring:
Team Name: Carroll Shelby
Driver: Tony Bettenhausen
Chassis: Ferrari 246 chassis 5 (Lease)
Engine: Ferrari 143 engine 5 (Lease)
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Re: Alt-1958: Morocco in preparation!
SCUDERIA FERRARi, CAMPIONE DEL MONDO DEL 1958!
La Gazzetta Dello Sport wrote:The ultimate comeback: Ferrari sweeps all three F1 titles, three years after nearly going bust
Only three years after the Scuderia Ferrari racing outfit almost fell to pieces amid a tax battle with the Italian government, the Prancing Horse has secured a trio of Formula 1 world titles at the Moroccan GP; both the Constructors' and Teams' titles, along with the all-important Drivers' championship with Peter Collins.
After losing its star driver Jack Brabham for 1955 and no new car ready in time for the upcoming season, Ferrari was in crisis three years prior. But, hard graft from new part-owner Grupo Bizzarri and Enzo himself has revitalised the fortunes of the red team, culminating with the ultimate prize in 1958.
"It is an incredible turnaround by our boys," commented the team's sporting director Simone Bizzarri. "We were in a dark moment three years ago. But we never lost hope. We have worked to rebuild this team and, in 1958, put faith in three new drivers to spearhead our line-up.
"I have to thank all the drivers for their efforts. They have been incredible. We knew Collins had title potential and he has confirmed it with great performances this year.
"But also extremely impressive is a Ferrari driver also sitting second in the championship with one round remaining. We saw the raw talent in Onofre [Marimon] and he's used it to great effect this year with two wins. And Masten, so young, is already a protagonist with podium finishes. It is a matter of time until his first win."
With all three championships now mathematically wrapped up, Ferrari can in theory skip the season finale at Sebring. But Bizzarri indicated their job is not done, even with all three titles sewn up.
"It depends. We want to defend Onofre's second position. If O.S.C.A. takes Ramos, Marimon will follow. Our good friend and business partner Luigi Chinetti will also be participating with his North American Racing Team, with Masten and Phil Hill both racing for him.
"But Collins, he is a world champion now. I think he deserves the weekend off, don't you?"
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Post-race report
Injuries
Yeah, no.
Damages
von Trips' engine (1558 engine 10) - £7 376
Prize money (distance)
Onofre Marimón - £2 000
José Froilán González - £2 000
Peter Collins - £2 000
Hernando da Silva Ramos - £2 000
Mike Hawthorn - £2 000
Ottorino Volonterio - £2 000
Duncan Hamilton - £2 000
John Surtees - £2 000
Redmond Gallagher - £1 978
Alan Stacey - £1 978
Graham Hill - £1 978
Roy Salvadori - £1 978
André Simon - £1 957
Stuart Lewis-Evans - £1 957
Bruce Kessler - £1 957
Umberto Maglioli - £1 935
Jack Fairman - £1 826
Juan Manuel Fangio - £1 804
Bruce McLaren - £1 739
Olivier Gendebien - £1 739
Masten Gregory - £1 696
Wolfgang von Trips - £1 457
Jack Brabham - £1 348
Jan De Vroom - £1 304
Robert Manzon - £1 152
André Guelfi - £1 087
Stirling Moss - £1 065
Jo Bonnier - £1 022
Ian Fraser Jones - £500
John Love - £500
Robert La Caze - £500
Prize money (position)
Onofre Marimón - £26 000
José Froilán González - £21 250
Peter Collins - £16 500
Hernando da Silva Ramos - £13 250
Mike Hawthorn - £10 500
Ottorino Volonterio - £6 250
Duncan Hamilton - £5 500
John Surtees - £4 750
Redmond Gallagher - £4 000
Alan Stacey - £3 250
Graham Hill - £2 500
Roy Salvadori - £2 250
André Simon - £2 000
Stuart Lewis-Evans - £1 750
Bruce Kessler - £1 500
Umberto Maglioli - £1 250
Jack Fairman - £1 000
Juan Manuel Fangio - £750
Bruce McLaren - £500
Olivier Gendebien - £250
Budgets updated.
Injuries
Yeah, no.
Damages
von Trips' engine (1558 engine 10) - £7 376
Prize money (distance)
Onofre Marimón - £2 000
José Froilán González - £2 000
Peter Collins - £2 000
Hernando da Silva Ramos - £2 000
Mike Hawthorn - £2 000
Ottorino Volonterio - £2 000
Duncan Hamilton - £2 000
John Surtees - £2 000
Redmond Gallagher - £1 978
Alan Stacey - £1 978
Graham Hill - £1 978
Roy Salvadori - £1 978
André Simon - £1 957
Stuart Lewis-Evans - £1 957
Bruce Kessler - £1 957
Umberto Maglioli - £1 935
Jack Fairman - £1 826
Juan Manuel Fangio - £1 804
Bruce McLaren - £1 739
Olivier Gendebien - £1 739
Masten Gregory - £1 696
Wolfgang von Trips - £1 457
Jack Brabham - £1 348
Jan De Vroom - £1 304
Robert Manzon - £1 152
André Guelfi - £1 087
Stirling Moss - £1 065
Jo Bonnier - £1 022
Ian Fraser Jones - £500
John Love - £500
Robert La Caze - £500
Prize money (position)
Onofre Marimón - £26 000
José Froilán González - £21 250
Peter Collins - £16 500
Hernando da Silva Ramos - £13 250
Mike Hawthorn - £10 500
Ottorino Volonterio - £6 250
Duncan Hamilton - £5 500
John Surtees - £4 750
Redmond Gallagher - £4 000
Alan Stacey - £3 250
Graham Hill - £2 500
Roy Salvadori - £2 250
André Simon - £2 000
Stuart Lewis-Evans - £1 750
Bruce Kessler - £1 500
Umberto Maglioli - £1 250
Jack Fairman - £1 000
Juan Manuel Fangio - £750
Bruce McLaren - £500
Olivier Gendebien - £250
Budgets updated.
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Re: Alt-1958: Morocco Grand Prix up!
V United States Grand Prix - Entry list
1. Roy Salvadori (Vandervell Products Ltd.) - Vanwall VW58 chassis 1, Vanwall VE2 engine 5
2. Tony Bettenhausen (Carroll Shelby Racing) - Ferrari 246 chassis 5, Ferrari 143 engine 5
3. André Guelfi (André Guelfi) - Cooper T45 chassis 2, Climax FPF V engine 3
4. Johnny Boyd (Bignotti-Bowes Racing Alliance) - Kurtis Kraft 500G chassis 1, Offenhauser 255 Low Tower engine 1
5. Bob Veith (Bignotti-Bowes Racing Alliance) - Kurtis Kraft 500G chassis 2, Offenhauser 255 Low Tower engine 2
6. Johnny Thompson (Johnny Thompson) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 9, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 13
7. Rodger Ward (Vulture Engineering Inc.) - Cooper T41 chassis 6, Climax FPF IV engine 3
8. Onofre Marimón (Scuderia Ferrari) – Ferrari 246 chassis 1, Ferrari 143 engine 1
9. José Froilán González (Rob Walker Racing) - Lotus 12 chassis 5, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 6
10. Alan Stacey (Owen Racing Organisation) - B.C.M.A. RP.1001 chassis 1, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern engine 2
11. Jack Brabham (B.C.M.A.) - B.C.M.A. RP.1001 Mk. II chassis 1, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern B engine 1
12. Stirling Moss (B.C.M.A.) - B.C.M.A. RP.1001 Mk. II chassis 2, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern B engine 2
13. John Surtees (B.C.M.A.) - B.C.M.A. RP.1001 Mk. II chassis 3, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern B engine 3
14. Duncan Hamilton (B.C.M.A.) - B.C.M.A. RP.1001 chassis 2, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern engine 4
15. Wolfgang von Trips (Team Lotus) - Lotus 12 chassis 4, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 10
16. Graham Hill (Team Lotus) - Lotus 12 chassis 2, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 11
17. Masten Gregory (North American Racing Team) - Ferrari 246 chassis 2, Ferrari 143 engine 4
18. Phil Hill (North American Racing Team) - Ferrari 246 chassis 4, Ferrari 143 engine 6
19. Hernando da Silva Ramos (O.S.C.A.) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 1
20. Jo Bonnier (O.S.C.A.) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 4, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 4
21. Bruce Kessler (Beverly Hills Motor Racing) - Cooper T45 chassis 1, Climax FPF V engine 1
Get your entries in by Friday January 18th 2019, noon CET.
1. Roy Salvadori (Vandervell Products Ltd.) - Vanwall VW58 chassis 1, Vanwall VE2 engine 5
2. Tony Bettenhausen (Carroll Shelby Racing) - Ferrari 246 chassis 5, Ferrari 143 engine 5
3. André Guelfi (André Guelfi) - Cooper T45 chassis 2, Climax FPF V engine 3
4. Johnny Boyd (Bignotti-Bowes Racing Alliance) - Kurtis Kraft 500G chassis 1, Offenhauser 255 Low Tower engine 1
5. Bob Veith (Bignotti-Bowes Racing Alliance) - Kurtis Kraft 500G chassis 2, Offenhauser 255 Low Tower engine 2
6. Johnny Thompson (Johnny Thompson) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 9, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 13
7. Rodger Ward (Vulture Engineering Inc.) - Cooper T41 chassis 6, Climax FPF IV engine 3
8. Onofre Marimón (Scuderia Ferrari) – Ferrari 246 chassis 1, Ferrari 143 engine 1
9. José Froilán González (Rob Walker Racing) - Lotus 12 chassis 5, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 6
10. Alan Stacey (Owen Racing Organisation) - B.C.M.A. RP.1001 chassis 1, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern engine 2
11. Jack Brabham (B.C.M.A.) - B.C.M.A. RP.1001 Mk. II chassis 1, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern B engine 1
12. Stirling Moss (B.C.M.A.) - B.C.M.A. RP.1001 Mk. II chassis 2, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern B engine 2
13. John Surtees (B.C.M.A.) - B.C.M.A. RP.1001 Mk. II chassis 3, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern B engine 3
14. Duncan Hamilton (B.C.M.A.) - B.C.M.A. RP.1001 chassis 2, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern engine 4
15. Wolfgang von Trips (Team Lotus) - Lotus 12 chassis 4, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 10
16. Graham Hill (Team Lotus) - Lotus 12 chassis 2, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 11
17. Masten Gregory (North American Racing Team) - Ferrari 246 chassis 2, Ferrari 143 engine 4
18. Phil Hill (North American Racing Team) - Ferrari 246 chassis 4, Ferrari 143 engine 6
19. Hernando da Silva Ramos (O.S.C.A.) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 1
20. Jo Bonnier (O.S.C.A.) - O.S.C.A. F158 chassis 4, O.S.C.A. 1558 engine 4
21. Bruce Kessler (Beverly Hills Motor Racing) - Cooper T45 chassis 1, Climax FPF V engine 1
Get your entries in by Friday January 18th 2019, noon CET.
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Re: Alt-1958: Enter USA!
It's finally time.
Entrant: Bill Rutan
Driver: See entrant
Car: Er, this thing:
Entrant: Bill Rutan
Driver: See entrant
Car: Er, this thing:
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