"Sauber Set To Run McLaren-Type Air System"
Link: http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-sauber-set-to-run-mclaren-type-air-system/
KERS 2010
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I'd noticed that this morning. Shows that Sauber still have the force to develop. Although I suspect they were working on it well before Bahrain when the furore started at McLaren. Will this aid our hero Kamui?
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Stefangp wrote:I'd noticed that this morning. Shows that Sauber still have the force to develop.
It's a pipe...
Stay home, Colin Kolles!
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And who was McLaren's test driver last year? Seems PDLR has taken some of the family secrets to Sauber.
"will you stop him playing tennis then?", referring to Montoya's famous shoulder injury, to which Whitmarsh replied "well, it's very difficult to play tennis on a motorbike"
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CarlosFerreira wrote:Stefangp wrote:I'd noticed that this morning. Shows that Sauber still have the force to develop.
It's a pipe...
...and a new shark fin to put the 'pipe' into...
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Whatever. If it works as well as it worked with McLaren, Renault and Williams can be worried...
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Phoenix wrote:Whatever. If it works as well as it worked with McLaren, Renault and Williams can be worried...
Sarcasm much?
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Klon wrote:Phoenix wrote:Whatever. If it works as well as it worked with McLaren, Renault and Williams can be worried...
Sarcasm much?
I personally thought it hid a slightly mediocre McLaren at Bahrain but I guess we will find out if other teams manage to incorporate it.
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Autosport article on the Sauber system (which is said to still be at a very early stage). http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/82346
Interestingly, the system on the C29 appears to be designed to operate as an entirely passive system (and has got a number of forums avidly discussing it - the F1Technical guys are particularly interested in it), as it does seem that they aren't able to route this through the cockpit like the Mclaren team are doing (probably down to the chassis homologation restrictions).
I suppose that in one way this system would be less dubious, in that there would be no moving parts whatsoever (apart from the air moving through the system), although it could potentially be more sensitive to external factors such as a headwind (whereas the Mclaren system would, if operating as theorised, at least give the driver the ability to over ride the system). Equally, it proves Whitmarsh's comment that he did not expect Mclaren to hold onto their advantage for long (although he probably would have hoped to have held onto it for more than one race), as other teams would simply find other inlets for their ducts.
I guess that Sauber know that they are at a bit of a disadvantage, and have therefore decided to try and jump some of the other teams (particularly Renault, Williams and Force India, who are going to be their main rivals for the lower points positions).
As for other teams developing their own versions, I think that some of the teams will (particularly Red Bull and Ferrari - the former will want to try and improve their straight line speed, due to the slight deficit the Renault has in peak power, and Ferrari will obviously want to capitalise on having a slightly more powerful engine to gain an advantage on Red Bull). I think that the smaller teams aren't likely to immediately follow - I could even conceive that a small team like Force India might even leave it out altogether.
Let's take Force India as an example - they would have to design a shark fin, then find a way to fit an air duct, and finally test it to ensure that it works as it should. Given that they could probably find more time elsewhere, I could see them ignoring it (and in their case, given that they are already fairly quick on the straights, they might be able to get away with it). We must also consider the fact that finding the space to fit a duct might not be easy, and could even compromise other parts (for example, due to packaging constraints).
Interestingly, the system on the C29 appears to be designed to operate as an entirely passive system (and has got a number of forums avidly discussing it - the F1Technical guys are particularly interested in it), as it does seem that they aren't able to route this through the cockpit like the Mclaren team are doing (probably down to the chassis homologation restrictions).
I suppose that in one way this system would be less dubious, in that there would be no moving parts whatsoever (apart from the air moving through the system), although it could potentially be more sensitive to external factors such as a headwind (whereas the Mclaren system would, if operating as theorised, at least give the driver the ability to over ride the system). Equally, it proves Whitmarsh's comment that he did not expect Mclaren to hold onto their advantage for long (although he probably would have hoped to have held onto it for more than one race), as other teams would simply find other inlets for their ducts.
I guess that Sauber know that they are at a bit of a disadvantage, and have therefore decided to try and jump some of the other teams (particularly Renault, Williams and Force India, who are going to be their main rivals for the lower points positions).
As for other teams developing their own versions, I think that some of the teams will (particularly Red Bull and Ferrari - the former will want to try and improve their straight line speed, due to the slight deficit the Renault has in peak power, and Ferrari will obviously want to capitalise on having a slightly more powerful engine to gain an advantage on Red Bull). I think that the smaller teams aren't likely to immediately follow - I could even conceive that a small team like Force India might even leave it out altogether.
Let's take Force India as an example - they would have to design a shark fin, then find a way to fit an air duct, and finally test it to ensure that it works as it should. Given that they could probably find more time elsewhere, I could see them ignoring it (and in their case, given that they are already fairly quick on the straights, they might be able to get away with it). We must also consider the fact that finding the space to fit a duct might not be easy, and could even compromise other parts (for example, due to packaging constraints).
Martin Brundle, on watching a replay of Grosjean spinning:
"The problem with Grosjean is that he want to take a look back at the corner he's just exited"
"The problem with Grosjean is that he want to take a look back at the corner he's just exited"
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noisebox wrote:And who was McLaren's test driver last year? Seems PDLR has taken some of the family secrets to Sauber.
Well, I have read it somewhere, that PDLR knew about the system, and how it worked, but Sauber haven't copied McLarens system, and we cna clearly see that they ahven't copied that. But I guess PDLR have more information too, I mean, you don't get to be a test driver for 6-7 years, without knowing the secrets, and if those secrets makes your new team better, it is smart to tell the new team about it!
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Klon wrote:Phoenix wrote:Whatever. If it works as well as it worked with McLaren, Renault and Williams can be worried...
Sarcasm much?
Indeed.