Searching for a logo

mediocre · Post by **mediocre** » 21 Jul 2010, 14:31

Hi guys,

I'm kind of investigating the history of 1994 and every once in a while stumble upon sponsors, I've never heard of. A mistery is a sponsor on the rear wing endplate that Simtek used at the Pacific GP. It seems to also have some kind of a German flag or something.

Could you guys help me finding out who/what that is?

Waris · Post by **Waris** » 21 Jul 2010, 16:10

Haha, I remember that sponsor from some modding forum! I think it was for GP2 or Rfactor or something, and someone had made a carset in which that sponsor showed up as "No bathplugging idea" or something. XD

Having said that, the second word appears to be "ROCOS". I can't read the first word at all, and my eyesight is quite good..

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 21 Jul 2010, 20:11

Waris wrote:Haha, I remember that sponsor from some modding forum! I think it was for GP2 or Rfactor or something, and someone had made a carset in which that sponsor showed up as "No bathplugging idea" or something. XD

Having said that, the second word appears to be "ROCOS". I can't read the first word at all, and my eyesight is quite good..

It looks more like POCOS to me, but either could be right. The first part of the first word looks vaguely like 'EAST' to me, if that's any help.

mediocre · Post by **mediocre** » 21 Jul 2010, 20:22

EAST could actually well be, good eyes there.

I'm trying to "reconstruct" the image now...

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 06 Sep 2010, 19:11

I'm just browsing through old threads, wondering if one in particular exists and stumbled upon this - anybody got an answer to this thread yet?

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 06 Sep 2010, 19:23

ROCES? the same Roces that appeared on the 1998 Minardi?

Ferrim · Post by **Ferrim** » 06 Sep 2010, 19:30

I bet for EASTERN ROCES.

f1-gast · Post by **f1-gast** » 06 Sep 2010, 20:10

i got some photo's that are beter maybe someone can read it ?
http://g.imagehost.org/0244/1994_TI_Aid ... ger_04.jpg

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 06 Sep 2010, 22:16

f1-gast wrote:i got some photo's that are beter maybe someone can read it ?
http://g.imagehost.org/0244/1994_TI_Aid ... ger_04.jpg

I can't understand the writing

JeanDenisAlcatraz · Post by **JeanDenisAlcatraz** » 06 Sep 2010, 22:23

Perhaps it's for 'Focus' - a weekly German magazine.

f1-gast · Post by **f1-gast** » 07 Sep 2010, 09:29

here more pics

But also worse to read.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 07 Sep 2010, 12:44

f1-gast wrote:here more pics

But also worse to read.

The server has taken down the photos.

f1-gast · Post by **f1-gast** » 07 Sep 2010, 14:53

I will upload them when im at home a.t.m. im at work

Sunshine_Baby_[IT] · Post by **Sunshine_Baby_[IT]** » 18 Mar 2012, 09:02

mediocre wrote:Hi guys,

I'm kind of investigating the history of 1994 and every once in a while stumble upon sponsors, I've never heard of. A mistery is a sponsor on the rear wing endplate that Simtek used at the Pacific GP. It seems to also have some kind of a German flag or something.

Could you guys help me finding out who/what that is?

The name of the sponsor is Sastiana Pocos, as you can see in this picture:
http://www.virtualr.net/wp-content/gall ... ek94-5.jpg

Shadaza · Post by **Shadaza** » 18 Mar 2012, 15:06

Such a well placed sponsor that even the most die hard fan has to crane his neck to read, I bet they made a killing from that add....

Ferrim · Post by **Ferrim** » 18 Mar 2012, 20:21

Not a single result for "sastiana pocos" in Google. :lol:

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 18 Mar 2012, 22:44

Ferrim wrote:Not a single result for "sastiana pocos" in Google.

I got results. Page 9 said "page 9 of about 80 results"; pages 1 and 5 said about 62,200,000 results?

Sunshine_Baby_[IT] · Post by **Sunshine_Baby_[IT]** » 18 Mar 2012, 22:55

Ferrim wrote:Not a single result for "sastiana pocos" in Google.

The strangest thing is that writing "sastiana pocos" in Google, it doesn't find not even this topic. :roll:

I guess I won't sleep before we don't find what Sastiana pocos is.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 19 Mar 2012, 02:34

I have a strong suspicion that they faked a company name and put it on there as to not make that part of the car look bare...

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 19 Mar 2012, 07:50

Ferrim wrote:Not a single result for "sastiana pocos" in Google.

Nothing from Wikipedia either

golic_2004 · Post by **golic_2004** » 19 Mar 2012, 10:21

I want my MTV back :roll:

Sunshine_Baby_[IT] · Post by **Sunshine_Baby_[IT]** » 19 Mar 2012, 11:49

golic_2004 wrote:I want my MTV back

Me too!

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 19 Mar 2012, 18:03

Sunshine_Baby_[IT] wrote:
golic_2004 wrote:I want my MTV back

Me too!

That Simtek is currently my PC's wallpaper.

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 19 Mar 2012, 18:15

JeremyMcClean wrote:I have a strong suspicion that they faked a company name and put it on there as to not make that part of the car look bare...

They should have said it was A Cool Spot. 17 years earlier.

Sunshine_Baby_[IT] · Post by **Sunshine_Baby_[IT]** » 19 Mar 2012, 18:21

JeremyMcClean wrote:I have a strong suspicion that they faked a company name and put it on there as to not make that part of the car look bare...

It's possibile.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 20 Mar 2012, 07:36

Sunshine_Baby_[IT] wrote:
JeremyMcClean wrote:I have a strong suspicion that they faked a company name and put it on there as to not make that part of the car look bare...

It's possibile.

But surely it'd be more expensive to buy some paint and put some fake logo on the car than to leave it blank :lol:

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 20 Mar 2012, 09:20

Wizzie wrote:
Sunshine_Baby_[IT] wrote:
JeremyMcClean wrote:I have a strong suspicion that they faked a company name and put it on there as to not make that part of the car look bare...

It's possibile.

But surely it'd be more expensive to buy some paint and put some fake logo on the car than to leave it blank

He meant the 3D computer model, not the actual car, you tool. :lol:

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 20 Mar 2012, 09:28

kostas22 wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
Sunshine_Baby_[IT] wrote:It's possibile.

But surely it'd be more expensive to buy some paint and put some fake logo on the car than to leave it blank

He meant the 3D computer model, not the actual car, you tool.

If you look closely at the actual car at the top of the thread, you'll notice said logo is on there as well

Sunshine_Baby_[IT] · Post by **Sunshine_Baby_[IT]** » 20 Mar 2012, 11:50

Wizzie wrote:
Sunshine_Baby_[IT] wrote:
JeremyMcClean wrote:I have a strong suspicion that they faked a company name and put it on there as to not make that part of the car look bare...

It's possibile.

But surely it'd be more expensive to buy some paint and put some fake logo on the car than to leave it blank

But it's better to put a fake logo than writing something as "put here your sponsor" as HRT did in the past years.

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 20 Mar 2012, 16:42

Sunshine_Baby_[IT] wrote:But it's better to put a fake logo than writing something as "put here your sponsor" as HRT did in the past years.

See, what HRT should have done, while they were based in Germany, was get Aldi to sponsor them. Not with the Aldi logo, but with all the fake "brands" that their products are sold as. Anyone who's never shopped there will never know the difference.

Shipstern's bitter, anyone?

Jack O Melley · Post by **Jack O Melley** » 21 Mar 2012, 17:59

I found another couple of pics with that logo on the S941, thanks to F1 Nostalgia blog, and trying to enlarge those photos I think the exact wording is "Mastana Foods". Currently there is a company with that name but it's based in India and, actually, I don't have any clue what link can be between that and the German flag. :lol:

Anyway I'm pretty sure that the second word is 'foods'.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 21 Mar 2012, 20:23

Jack O Melley wrote:I found another couple of pics with that logo on the S941, thanks to F1 Nostalgia blog, and trying to enlarge those photos I think the exact wording is "Mastana Foods". Currently there is a company with that name but it's based in India and, actually, I don't have any clue what link can be between that and the German flag.

Anyway I'm pretty sure that the second word is 'foods'.

Have to agree with you on that. And the first word definitely starts with R, evidenced by this.

Sunshine_Baby_[IT] · Post by **Sunshine_Baby_[IT]** » 21 Mar 2012, 20:35

I know the blog F1 nostalgia and sometimes I read it (I try to, it's a little difficult for me to understand Portoguese).
It seems that the blogger knows a lot of things about the Simtek team... I'll try to ask him, in a comment, if he knows something about that logo.

mediocre · Post by **mediocre** » 28 Mar 2012, 19:37

It's definitely not "Sastiana Pocos". I know the guy who made this 3D render, we discussed a lot about it and we both have no idea. Neither do about 100 other people I asked.

The mysterious thing is that there actually are decent photos with the right perspective, but that particular logo is always blurry, unreadable or something else that makes me mad. :evil:

Yeah, I know Rian (the owner of F1 Nostalgia), talked to him...Good point actually, haven't spoken to him in a while.

Sunshine_Baby_[IT] · Post by **Sunshine_Baby_[IT]** » 28 Mar 2012, 21:17

mediocre wrote:Yeah, I know Rian (the owner of F1 Nostalgia), talked to him...Good point actually, haven't spoken to him in a while.

Unluckily he didn't neither published nor answered my question...

midgrid · Post by **midgrid** » 28 Mar 2012, 22:57

I've posted in the Simtek thread in Autosport.com's Nostalgia Forum asking for assistance - it's possible that an ex-Simtek team member or two read that forum, so it's worth a shot if none of us outsiders can decipher the photos.

I've checked my F1 library and found an additional photo of Ratzenberger at the Pacific Grand Prix that I have not seen online, but sadly the logo remains illegible.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 29 Mar 2012, 10:48

What happened to the original Simteks? Are there any in a museum somewhere which one of us could go to visit to check it out? (If a Simtek is on display anywhere in Britain this summer, I may be able to go and check it out...)

Sunshine_Baby_[IT] · Post by **Sunshine_Baby_[IT]** » 29 Mar 2012, 13:21

Watching photos of Simteks from other grand prix, I noticed that Simtek seemed to have some local sponsors, which were present on the car just for one race, depending on the country where those races took place. So, despite the German flag’s colours and the fact it’s not written with Japanese ideograms, I think it that this one of Pacific grand prix could be a Japanese company (or at least an Asian company).
Maybe here on the forum there’s someone from Japan who could recognize the logo?

dr-baker wrote:What happened to the original Simteks? Are there any in a museum somewhere which one of us could go to visit to check it out? (If a Simtek is on display anywhere in Britain this summer, I may be able to go and check it out...)

Simtek had money just to produce two cars, so the Simteks of Pacific grand prix where probably used in the following grand prix, with other sponsors on.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 29 Mar 2012, 16:27

Sunshine_Baby_[IT] wrote:Simtek had money just to produce two cars, so the Simteks of Pacific grand prix where probably used in the following grand prix, with other sponsors on.

Surely they had more than two chassis? Presumably Ratzenberger's chassis became written off, and I would imagine the same happened to Montermini's after his Barcelona crash.

Post by **Nuppiz** » 29 Mar 2012, 17:23

dr-baker wrote:
Sunshine_Baby_[IT] wrote:Simtek had money just to produce two cars, so the Simteks of Pacific grand prix where probably used in the following grand prix, with other sponsors on.

Surely they had more than two chassis? Presumably Ratzenberger's chassis became written off, and I would imagine the same happened to Montermini's after his Barcelona crash.

Yes, they had to rebuild new chassis' after both accidents, setting back their finances even further.