No Ferrari Alternative Championship

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 27 Dec 2010, 22:12

I've finally jumped on the "alternate championship" bandwagon...

I'll post the results for 1950 and 1951...

1950
Best four results counted
Giuseppe Farina 37pts (3 wins, 4th)
Juan Manuel Fangio 31pts (3 wins)
Luigi Fagioli 24pts (5 2nds)
Louis Rosier 11pts (2 3rds, 4th, 5th, 5th-shared drive)
Johnnie Parsons 10pts (1 win)
Prince Bira 7pts (3rd, 4th)
Louis Chiron 6pts (2nd)
Bill Holland 6pts (2nd)
Phillippe Etancelin 4.5 pts (4th, 4th - shared drive)
Reg Parnell 4pts (3rd)
Mauri Rose 4pts (3rd)
Robert Manzon 4pts (3rd)
Yves Giraud-Cabantous 3pts (4th)
Bob Gerard 3pts (4th)
Cecil Green 3pts (4th)
Johnny Claes 2pts (5th)
Felice Bonetto 2pts (5th)
Pierre Levegh 2pts (5th)
toulo de Graffenried 2pts (5th)
Eugene Chaboud 1.5 pts (4th - shared drive)
Charles Pozzi 1pt (5th - shared drive)
Joie Chitwood 1pt (5th-shared drive)
Tony Bettenhausen 1pt (5th-shared drive)

1951
Best Four results count
Juan Manuel Fangio 32pts (3 1sts, 1st-shared drive)
Nino Farina 20pts (1st, 1st-shared drive 2nd)
Louis Rosier 14pts (2nd, 2 3rds)
Felice Bonetto 10pts (1st-shared drive, 2nd)
Lee Wallard 9pts (1st)
Yves Giraud Cabantous 10pts (3rd, 2 4ths)
Nino Farina 6pts (2nd)
Mike Nazaruk 6pts (2nd)
Robert Manzon 6pts (2nd)
Louis Chiron 6pts (3rd, 5th)
Andre Simon 6pts (2nd)
Consalvo Sanesi 4pts (3rd)
Reg Parnell 4pts (3rd)
Pierre Levegh 4pts (3rd)
Luigi Fagioli 4pts (1st-shared drive)
Johnny Claes 4pts (2 5ths)
Toulo de Graffenried 3pts (4th)
Andy Linden 3pts (4th)
Andre Pilette 3pts (4th)
Consalvo Sanesi 3pts (4th)
Jacques Swaters 3pts (4th)
Bobby Ball 2pts (5th)
Eugene Chaboud 2pts (5th)
Peter Walker 2pts (5th)
Franco Rol 2pts (5th)
Jack McGrath 2pts (3rd-shared drive)
Manny Ayulo 2pts (3rd-shared drive)

I promise to do a cleaner table for 1952...

EDIT: I'll give very quick reports on 1950 and 1951, but from what I see... Farina had an easier time winning 1950, and Fangio manhandled everyone in 1951. Felice Bonetto wins even though he shared the drive with Juan Manuel Fangio, Yves Giraud Cabantous and Louis Rosier impresses, and Johnny Claes unrejectifies himself! No, I'm not going to sift through every single person on the list and see if they've gotten unrejectified in real life, and see if I've unrejectified them, and so on.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 27 Dec 2010, 23:29

I predict a clean 198o

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 28 Dec 2010, 00:11

I can see Button smashing 2004.

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 28 Dec 2010, 10:30

Some years in this will be radically different, others will hardly change at all! The Schumacher years will be the most interesting I feel. Also years where the championship was very close between two or more non-Ferrari drivers (such as 1981, 1983, 1986, 1994, 1996) someone may benefit more from Ferraris' absence than someone else.

Webber or Hamilton could steal this year too if they benefit more from no Alonso/Massa than Vettel does!

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 28 Dec 2010, 11:12

I think you could save some efforts and skip 1980, 1992 or 1993...

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 28 Dec 2010, 11:29

What about cars with Ferrari engines? Sauber and Toro Rosso this year for example?

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 28 Dec 2010, 16:33

Aerond wrote:I think you could save some efforts and skip 1980, 1992 or 1993...

Or 1973

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 28 Dec 2010, 16:58

It's up to Jeremy to decide, but I personally think Ferrari-engined other cars should stay in, it would seem a shame to be eliminating Minardi, Dallara, Sauber etc when it's those sort of teams we all want to see benefitted!

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 28 Dec 2010, 17:27

James1978 wrote:It's up to Jeremy to decide, but I personally think Ferrari-engined other cars should stay in, it would seem a shame to be eliminating Minardi, Dallara, Sauber etc when it's those sort of teams we all want to see benefitted!

Who said I wanted to see Sauber benefitted in any way? :evil:

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 28 Dec 2010, 17:51

Phoenix wrote:
James1978 wrote:It's up to Jeremy to decide, but I personally think Ferrari-engined other cars should stay in, it would seem a shame to be eliminating Minardi, Dallara, Sauber etc when it's those sort of teams we all want to see benefitted!

Who said I wanted to see Sauber benefitted in any way?

You really want Kobayashi eliminated from this year?

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 28 Dec 2010, 21:15

Ferrari MAKE engines stay. I'm not going around seeing "what if" on all seasons with Ferrari engines. And there's the rebadging of the engines in some cases (eg. The Ferrari rebranding for Sauber's engines being Petronas), which can make it really confusing. For now, let's say Ferrari was just an engine supplier just like Mercedes for a good chunk of the 1990's and the entirety of the 2000's.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 29 Dec 2010, 04:22

1952
Best four results counted, with one point for fastest lap

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Driver                Country      Points Earnings (in order) Total Points
Robert Manzon         France         88  6                    22
Mike Hawthorn         Britain        6 8 8                    22
Jean Behra            France       8  3 8                     19
Maurice Trintignant   France          6  4                    10
Jose Froilan Gonzalez Argentina           9                   9
Ken Wharton           Britain      6      3                   9
Troy Ruttman          United States 8                         8
Jim Rathmann          United States 6                         6
Dennis Poore          Britain          6                      6
Fritz Riess           Germany           6                     6
Felice Bonetto        Italy               6                   6
Alan Brown            Britain      4                          4
Sam Hanks             United States 4                         4
Paul Frere            Belgium        4                        4
Peter Collins         Britain         4                       4
Eric Thompson         Britain          4                      4
Toni Ulmen            Germany           4                     4
Chico Landi           Brazil              4                   4
Johnny Claes          Belgium        2  2                     4
Toulo de Graffenried  Switzerland  3                          3
Duane Carter          United States 3                         3
Alan Brown            Belgium        3                        3
Reg Parnell           Britain          3                      3
Helmut Niedermayr     Germany           3                     3
Duncan Hamilton       Britain            3                    3
Eric Brandon          Britain      2                          2
Art Cross             United States 2                         2
Phillippe Etancelin   France          2                       2
Ken Downing           Britain          2                      2
Lance Macklin         Britain            2                    2
Eitel Cantoni         Uruguay             2                   2
Bill Vukovich         United States 1                         1

It was a very close season indeed, as not very many people had many points finishes period! With the season tied up going into the finale, and the even though neither Hawthorn or Manzon finished in the points, Manzon was declared winner in the final race's results as he had placed 8th, 9 laps down, and Hawthorn retiring on Lap 38. With his retirement, according to tie-breaker laws in F1, the one with the most 1sts, then 2nds, 3rds, 4ths, etc. wins the dead heat battle. Since Hawthorn only finished in the points, whilst Manzon finished four times (compared to Hawthorn's three), Manzon won the championship.

Also note that the fastest lap was only counted for two races, being the Indy 500 and the Italian GP. I couldn't find a place where to find the fastest laps chart, so I simply didn't count it for that year, since Ferrari got the fastest laps for every other race.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 29 Dec 2010, 11:36

James1978 wrote:
Phoenix wrote:
James1978 wrote:It's up to Jeremy to decide, but I personally think Ferrari-engined other cars should stay in, it would seem a shame to be eliminating Minardi, Dallara, Sauber etc when it's those sort of teams we all want to see benefitted!

Who said I wanted to see Sauber benefitted in any way?

You really want Kobayashi eliminated from this year?

Tricky one. I don't want to see Kamui Kobayashi eliminated, but I hate Sauber. And Toro Rosso too.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 30 Dec 2010, 01:51

1953
Top Four Results counted. I could only find the fastest laps for Indy 500, Belgium, France, Britain and Italy. Points system 8-6-4-3-2.
Star (*) indicates shared drive.

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Driver Name            Country        Points places (in order)  Total Points
Juan Manuel Fangio     Argentina                   9 8 8 4* 9    34 (38)
Jose Froilan Gonzalez  Argentina      8       4*   6 7           25
Toulo de Graffenried   Switzerland            6  6 4   4         20
Felice Bonetto         Italy                  4*     4 6 4*      18
Maurice Trintignant    France         1.5*    4  4          6    15.5
Onofre Marimon         Argentina                 8 3             11
Bill Vukovich          United States      9                      9
Oscar Alfredo Galvez   Argentina      6                          6
Art Cross              United States      6                      6
Hermann Lang           Germany                           6       6
Jean Behra             France         4            2             6
Stirling Moss          Britain                2        3         5
Ken Wharton            Britain                       2   3       5
Roberto Mieres         Argentina                            4    4
Harry Schell           United States  1.5*                   2   3.5
Peter Collins          Britain                3                  3
Harry Schell           United States             3               3
Prince Bira(?)         Thailand                      3           3
John Barber            Britain        2                          2
Jack McGrath           United States      2                      2
Sam Hanks              United States      2                      2
Duane Carter           United States      2                      2
Fred Wacker            United States             2               2
Hans Herrmann          Germany                         2         2
Albert Scherrer        Switzerland                       2       2
Sergio Mantovani       Italy                                 2*  2
Luigi Musso            Italy                                 2*  2
Fred Agabashian        United States      1.5*                   1.5
Paul Russo             United States      1.5*                   1.5

The championship was very close coming into the finale at Italy (he was leading Gonzalez by four points) but Gonzalez failed to score, and the championship was Fangio's once again. However, he put up an impressive comback; Gonzalez took the outright lead at the gates, but Fangio won five times in the same number of races (however, the second to last was shared with Felice Bonetto), and it was the first case (not sure about this) that there was someone needing to have a scoring position exempt from the standings. This is Fangio's second championship, so say hurrah to him!

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 30 Dec 2010, 16:30

Boooooo.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 30 Dec 2010, 20:19

2003 should be interesting between Kimi and JPM and I looked to find out in 1988, Arrows get a 1-2 finish.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 30 Dec 2010, 23:13

For obvious reasons I decided to say "f-all" to the fastest laps for a point rule.

1954
Top five results count. Star indicated shared drive. One star means a shared drive, two stars mean two shared drives in a race. :lol:

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Driver                Team             Country        Points results (in order)  Total Points  
Juan Manuel Fangio  Maserati/Mercedes  Argentina      8      8 8 6 8 8 8 6       40 (58)
Karl Kling            Mercedes         Germany                 6 3 6     3       18
Hans Herrmann         Mercedes         Germany                       6 6         12
Roberto Mieres        Maserati         Argentina                 4   4   4       12
Prince Bira           Maserati         Thailand       3      3 4                 10
Sergio Mantovani      Maserati         Italy                 2     4 3           9
Bill Vukovich         Kurtis Kraft     United States    8                        8
Onofre Marimon        Maserati         Argentina                 8               8
Luigi Musso           Maserati         Italy                             8       8
Harry Schell          Maserati         United States  4            3             7
Elie Bayol            Gordini          France         6                          6
Jimmy Bryan           Kurtis Kraft     United States    6                        6
Stirling Moss         Maserati         Britain               6                   6
Jack McGrath          Kurtis Kraft     United States    4                        4
Andre Pilette         Gordini          Belgium               4                   4
Fred Wacker           Gordini          United States                   4         4
Jean Behra            Gordini          France                  2   2             4
Ken Wharton           Maserati         Britain                   2   2           4
Luigi Villoresi       Maserati         Italy                   3                 3
Peter Collins         Vanwall          Britain                         3         3
Toulo de Graffenried  Maserati         Switzerland    2                          2
Mike Nazaruk          Kurtis Kraft     United States    2                        2
Louis Rosier          Maserati         France                          2         2
Paco Godia                                                               2       2
Troy Ruttman          Kurtis Kraft     United States    1.5*                     1.5
Duane Carter          Kurtis Kraft     United States    1.5*                     1.5

A walkover. Booooring....

Fangio would have had a perfect score, but I think Fangio assumed he would win the championship anyways. What a honorable person.

1955
Top five results count

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Driver              Team              Country       Points Results (in order)  Total Points
Juan Manuel Fangio  Mercedes          Argentina     8           8  8 6 8       38
Stirling Moss       Mercedes          Britain       2*          6  6 8         22
Jean Behra          Maserati          France        1.5*  3*    2* 2   4       12.5
Luigi Musso         Maserati          Italy         0.6*        3  4 2         9.6
Roberto Mieres      Maserati          Argentina     4           2* 3           9
Piero Taruffi       Mercedes          Italy                          3 6       9
Eugenio Castellotti Lancia            Italy               8                    8
Bob Sweikert        Kurtis Kraft      United States          8                 8
Karl Kling          Mercedes          Germany       2*               4         6
Cesare Perdisa      Maserati          Italy               3*    2              5
Luigi Villoresi     Lancia            Italy               4                    4
Jimmy Davies        Kurtis Kraft      United States          4                 4
Johnny Thomson      Kurtis Kraft      United States          3                 3
Louis Chiron        Lancia            Italy               3                    3
Tony Bettenhausen   Kurtis Kraft      United States          3*                3
Paul Russo          Kurtis Kraft      United States          3*                3
Carlos Menditeguy   Maserati          Argentina                        3       3
Harry Schell        Maserati          United States 2.1**                      2.1
Hans Herrmann       Mercedes          Germany       2*                         2
Jacques Pollet      Gordini           France              2                    2
John Fitch          Maserati          United States                    2       2
Walt Faulkner       Kurtis Kraft      United States          1*                1
Bill Homeier        Kurtis Kraft      United States          1*                1
Sergio Mantovani    Maserati          Italy         0.6*                       0.6

Looks like a walkover, but Moss had a good shot of winning the championship. The only problem was that his engine went.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 04 Jan 2011, 01:41

1956
Top Five Results count on a 8-6-4-3-2 basis.

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Driver              Team             Country        Points Results (in order)      Total Points
Jean Behra          Maserati         France         8    6      3  8  8 6          36 (39)
Stirling Moss       Maserati         Britain             8      4* 3*   8 8        31
Paco Godia          Maserati         Spain                         3  2 4 4        13
Cesare Perdisa      Maserati         Italy               2      4* 3* 3            12
Harry Schell        Vanwall          United States              6         3        9
Pat Flaherty        Watson           United States            8                    8
Luigi Villoresi     Maserati         United States              4     4            8
Louis Rosier        Maserati         France                     2  4  2            8
Mike Hawthorn       Maserati         Britain        6                              6
Sam Hanks           Kurtis Kraft     United States            6                    6
Jack Fairman        Connaught        Britain                          6            6
Ron Flockhart       Connaught        Britain                              6        6 
Hernando da Silva   Gordini          Brazil              4         2               6
Don Freeland        Phillips         United States            4                    4
Johnnie Parsons     Kurtis Kraft     United States            3                    3
Dick Rathmann       Kurtis Kraft     United States            2                    2
Chico Landi         Maserati         Brazil         2*                             2
Gerino Gerini       Maserati         Italy          2*                             2
Luigi Piotti        Maserati         Italy                                2        2
Alberto Uria        Maserati         Uruguay        1.5*                           1.5
Oscar Gonzalez      Maserati         Uruguay        1.5*                           1.5
Elie Bayol          Gordini          France              1.5*                      1.5
Andre Pilette       Gordini          Belgium             1.5*                      1.5

Moss nearly wins AH-GAIN, but Behra clinches it with a race to go. Behra deserved this one, though.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 08 Jan 2011, 01:25

1957
Top Five results count, with a 8-6-4-3-2 system.

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Driver                Country       Constructor  Points finishes (in order)  Total Points
Juan Manuel Fangio    Argentina     Maserati     8 8   8      8 6 6          38 (44)
Stirling Moss         Britain       Vanwall                4* 6 8 8          26
Harry Schell          United States Maserati     3     6      3 4 1.5*       17.5
Jean Behra            France        Maserati     6     4      4              14
Tony Brooks           Britain       Vanwall        6       4*     2          12
Masten Gregory        United States Maserati       4          2 3 4          10
Sam Hanks             United States Epperly          8                       8
Stuart Lewis-Evans    Britain       Connaught      3       3    2            8
Jim Rathmann          United States Epperly          6                       6
Roy Salvadori         Britain       Cooper                 6                 6
Carlos Menditeguy     Argentina     Maserati     4                           4
Jimmy Bryan           United States Kuzma            4                       4
Bob Gerard            Britain       Cooper                 4                 4
Jack Brabham          Australia     Cooper         2   1.5*                  3.5
Paul Russo            United States Kurtis Kraft     3                       3
Jo Bonnier            Sweden        Maserati     2                           2
Andy Linden           United States Kurtis Kraft     2                       2
Ivor Bueb             Britain       Maserati               2                 2
Mike MacDowel         Britain       Cooper             1.5*                  1.5
Giorgio Scarlatti     Italy         Maserati                      1.5*       1.5

Note that there are four entries in France (the fourth race) because no other cars classified!

Fangio wins AH-GAIN, but next year should be very interesting.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 08 Jan 2011, 19:34

1958
Top Six results count, on a 8-6-4-3-2 basis.

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Driver                  Country            Constructor      Points finishes (in order)               Total Points
Stirling Moss           Britain            Cooper/Vanwall   8   8   8     8   8                      40
Tony Brooks             Britain            Vanwall                8   2 8   8                        26
Roy Salvadori           Britain            Cooper               3     8 6   6 2                      25
Harry Schell            United States      Maserati/BRM     3 4 6 3   4   3   4                      24 (27)
Stuart Lewis-Evans      Britain            Vanwall                6   6   6                          18
Jack Brabham            Australia          Cooper             6     4 3   2                          15
Maurice Trintignant     France             Cooper/Maserati    8   2     4                            14
Juan Manuel Fangio      Argentina          Maserati         6       6                                12
Jean Behra              France             Maserati/BRM     4   4         4                          12
Cliff Allison           Britain            Lotus              3 2 4         3                        12
Jo Bonnier              Sweden             Maserati                 2         6                      8
Graham Hill             Britain            Lotus                            4                        4
Phil Hill               United States      Maserati                 3                                3
Bruce McLaren           New Zealand        Cooper                       3                            3
Masten Gregory          United States      Maserati                           3                      3
Carlos Menditeguy       Argentina          Maserati         2                                        2
Edgar Barth             Germany            Porsche                      2                            2

Moss wins a championship! :mrgreen:

Harry Schell actually had a good shot of winning, but he dropped back, then Salvadori and Brooks caught up to him. By that time, Moss was on his way to winning, and locked it by the second-last race.

Top Six Results Count, only best result of the race for the team counts!

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Constructor       Points Finishes          Total Points
Vanwall               8 8 8 6 8 8 8 8      48 (62)
Cooper            8 8 3   4 8 6 2 6 2      40 (47)
BRM                 4 6 3   4   4   6      27
Maserati          6     2 6         3      17
Lotus               3 2 4         4        13
Porsche                       2            2

This was very interesting. Cooper and Vanwall alternated the lead, until some time mid-way through the season when Cooper fell back and Vanwall added to their points total. Brooks and Moss both contributed, and they eventually blew away the competition, clinching the championship with a race to go (Cooper could add a maximum of two points after the race), and having 62 out of a possible 80 total points that could be scored.

Note that Monaco only had four drivers finish, and that Italy only had four people count for the points. I skipped the Indy 500 because nobody else that scored in the Indy 500 raced elsewhere.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 15 Mar 2011, 00:11

Resurrecting this thread!

1959
8-6-4-3-2, Top five results count
Drivers

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Driver                  Country           Constructor          Points finishes                           Total
Jack Brabham            Australia         Cooper               8 6 8 8     6 4                           36 (40)
Stirling Moss           Britain           BRM                        6   8 8                             22
Maurice Trignant        France            Cooper               6     2 8 4 2 6                           26 (28)
Bruce McLaren           New Zealand       Cooper               4   6 4       8                           22
Jo Bonnier              Sweden            BRM                    8     6   3                             17
Harry Schell            United States     BRM                      3 3 3 3 4                             16
Masten Gregory          United States     Cooper                 4       6                               10
Innes Ireland           Britain           Lotus                  3           3                           6
Roy Salvadori           Britain           Cooper/AM            3         2                               5
Ron Flockhart           Britain           BRM                      4                                     4
Ian Burgess             Britain           Cooper                       4                                 4
Graham Hill             Britain           Lotus                  2                                       2
Giorgio Scarlatti       Italy             Maserati                 2                                     2
Harry Blanchard         United States     Porsche                            2                           2

Constructors
Only the top finisher in the team counts for the championship (Brabham scores 1st, Trintignant scores 3rd, Brabham's 8 points count but Trintignant's 4 does not)

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Constructor     Points Finishes                    Total
Cooper          8 6 8 8 8 8 8 8                    40 (62)
BRM               8 4 6 6 3 4                      28 (31)
Lotus             3           3                    6
Maserati            2                              2
Aston Martin              2                        2
Porsche                       2                    2

Although Moss gave Brabham a run for his money, Brabham's good start paid off. The constructors' was a walkover.

And with this, the 50's are finally over! (I hated that fastest lap point nonsense, as well as the shared drives)

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 20 Mar 2011, 14:26

1960
8-6-4-3-2-1, Best six results counted

Drivers'

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Driver            Constuctor     Points Finishes     Total
Jack Brabham      Cooper             8 8 8 8 8   3   43
Bruce McLaren     Cooper         8 6   6 4 3 6   4   34 (37)
Innes Ireland     Lotus          3 1 6     4 2   6   22
Stirling Moss     Lotus            8 3           8   19
Olivier Gendebien Cooper               4 6   1       11
Jim Clark         Lotus                3 2   4       9
Tony Brooks       Cooper           4       2 3       9
Giulio Cabianca   Cooper                       8     8
Graham Hill       BRM              2 4 1             7
Jo Bonnier        BRM            2 3             2   7
John Surtees      Lotus                    6         6
Hans Herrmann     Porsche                      6     6
Henry Taylor      Cooper             2   3 1         6
Carlos Mediteguy  Cooper         4                   4
Edgar Barth       Porsche                      4     4
Piero Drogo       Cooper                       3     3
Lucien Bianchi    Cooper               2             2
Wolfgang Seidel   Cooper                       2     2
Alberto Larreta   Lotus          1                   1
C.G. de Beaufort  Cooper             1               1
Ron Flockhart     Lotus                  1           1
Fred Gamble       Behra-Porsche                1     1
Phil Hill         Cooper                         1   1

In the first race, Trintignant and Moss shared the drive to third. But they don't get any points

And C.G. means Carel Godin. I thought his name was long; until I looked up his name on Wikipedia and found is full name!

Constructors'
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Constructor     Points finishes     Total Points
Cooper          8 6 8 8 8 8 8 8 4     48 (66)
Lotus           3 8 6 3 2 6 4   8     35 (40)
BRM             2 3 4 1         2     12
Porsche                       6       6
Behra-Porsche                 1       1

You really can't help someone winning five straight races in a row!

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 22 Mar 2011, 13:43

Prediction time again!

Changes from 1970+ where a Ferrari driver was the real champion:

1975 Emerson Fittipaldi
1977 Jody Scheckter
1979 Jacques Laffite (Alan Jones will lose out due to his poor first half of the year)
2000 Hakkinen
2001 Coulthard
2002 Montoya
2003 Raikkonen
2004 Button
2007 Alonso (as much as pains me to say it I feel he has more to gain than Hamilton)

Other possible changes:

1983 Prost beats Piquet with more to gain
1994 I think Hill and Schumacher tie. Can't remember who will get the most wins!
1999 I wonder if Frentzen gains enough to overhaul Hakkinen? I doubt it but it's possible with Frentzen's maximising consistency
2010 Could be Webber or Hamilton - they could gain more than Vettel?

Changes to constructor's champions Ferrari won in real life:

1982 McLaren
1983 Renault
1999 McLaren
2000 McLaren
2001 McLaren
2002 Williams
2003 Williams
2004 BAR!!!!
2007 McLaren if you don't discount their constructors points, BMW Sauber if you do
2008 BMW Sauber could overhaul McLaren as they may suffer with Kovalainen - Kubica and Heidfeld were awfully consistent

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 22 Mar 2011, 21:52

How about just putting it in insanely small text (Size five for me) so people who want to know can just click "reply" and look in the text box, or just copying the small text and pasting it in notepad. Simple, really.

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 22 Mar 2011, 23:17

Good thinking, and fixed!

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 05 Apr 2011, 00:55

1961
9-6-4-3-2-1, Best Five results counted

Drivers'

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Driver              Constructor      Points Finishes     Total Points
Dan Gurney          Porsche          6   6 9 3 2 9 6     36 (40)
Stirling Moss       Lotus            9 6 3     9         27
Jim Clark           Lotus              9   6   6         21
Bruce McLaren       Cooper           4     3 2 3 6 3     19 (21)
John Surtees        Cooper             3 9     4         16
Jack Brabham        Cooper             4     9           13
Innes Ireland       Lotus                  4       9     13
Jo Bonnier          Porsche              4 1 6     1     12
Tony Brooks         BRM                1     1   3 4     9
Jackie Lewis        Cooper               2       4       6
Roy Salvadori       Cooper                   4   2       6
Graham Hill         BRM                2   2       2     6
Maurice Trintignant Cooper           3                   3
Cliff Allison       Lotus            2         1         3
Hans Herrmann       Porsche          1                   1
Masten Gregory      Cooper               1               1
C. G. de Beaufort   Porsche                      1       1

The championship race open to three driver with two races to go, Gurney took an incredible win in Italy, eliminating Clark and making Moss to have to win to also win the championship. It wasn't to be, Moss' engine gave way in Lap 58 in Watkins Glen, making Gurney champion for 1961. From what I see, the best has yet to come...

Again, C.G. stands for Carel Godin.

Constructors'
Only the top finisher in the team counts for the championship (and best five results count)

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Constructor     Points Finishes    Total Points
Lotus           9 9 4 6   9   9    42 (46)
Porsche         6   6 9 6 2 9 6    36 (44)
Cooper          4 4 9 3 9 4 6 3    32 (42)
BRM               2   2 1   3 4    12

Another close one. This time Porsche and Lotus had a great shot of winning, only for Innes Ireland to win for Lotus and eventually take the constructors. But Gurney didn't care, because he won the Drivers' Championship!
Props go to Porsche from going from crap to 2nd in the Constructors' within a year!

Interesting fact: Five drivers won the first five races. It looked like another "Hawthorn effect," until Moss won in Germany (the third to last race). In total, Six drivers won a race in 1961:
Stirling Moss (twice)
Jim Clark
John Surtees
Dan Gurney (twice)
Jack Brabham
Innes Ireland

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 12 Apr 2011, 22:16

Two random thoughts about this championship that have really amused me:

Who will be the only non-McLaren race winner in 1988, and who will be the only non Renault/McLaren race winner in 2005. :lol:

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 12 Apr 2011, 22:29

James1978 wrote:...and who will be the only non Renault/McLaren race winner in 2005.

Oh my! Oh my indeed! :mrgreen:

Post by **tommykl** » 13 Apr 2011, 17:47

Klon wrote:
James1978 wrote:...and who will be the only non Renault/McLaren race winner in 2005.

Oh my! Oh my indeed!

The problem is that the races Ferrari won in 1988/2005 were because the teams mentioned retired/withdrew.

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 13 Apr 2011, 23:04

tommykl wrote:
Klon wrote:
James1978 wrote:...and who will be the only non Renault/McLaren race winner in 2005.

Oh my! Oh my indeed!

The problem is that the races Ferrari won in 1988/2005 were because the teams mentioned retired/withdrew.

I know but still , when you think there are a lot more worthy candidates than the ones who it will actually be on those occasions (ie. Williams, Benetton, Lotus in 1988, and Williams, Toyota, BAR etc in 2005 )

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 17 Apr 2011, 03:06

1962
For Drivers - Top six results count
For Constructors - Top six results count, with only one car scoring for constructors

DRIVERS

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Driver              Constructor      Points Finishes    Total Points
Graham Hill         BRM              9 3 6   3 9 9 6 9  48 (54)
Jim Clark           Lotus                9   9 3   9    30
Bruce McLaren       Cooper             9   3 4 2 4 4 6  30 (32)
John Surtees        Lola               6 4 2 6 6        24
Tony Maggs          Cooper           4     6 1   2   4  17
Dan Gurney          Porsche                9   4   2    15
Jack Brabham        Lotus/Brabham      2 3   2     3 3  13
Richie Ginther      BRM                    4     6      10
Jo Bonnier          Porsche          2 4       1 3      10
Trevor Taylor       Lotus            6                  6
C.G. de Beaufort    Porsche          3   2 1            6
Innes Ireland       Lotus                            2  2
Jackie Lewis        Cooper           1                  1
Maurice Trintignant Lotus                1              1
Nino Vaccarella     Lotus                        1      1
Masten Gregory      Lotus                          1    1
Neville Lederle     Lotus                            1  1

CONSTRUCTORS

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Constructor    Points Finishes    Total Points
BRM            9 3 6 4 3 9 9 6 9  48 (58)
Lotus          6 2 9   9 3 1 9 2  38 (41)
Cooper         4 9   6 4 2 4 4 6  33 (39)
Porsche        3 4 2 9   4 3 2    25 (27)
Lola             6 4 2 6 6        24
Brabham                      3 3  6

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 24 Apr 2011, 01:19

1963
9-6-4-3-2-1
Top six Results count
In Constructors, Top result for the team counts

Drivers'

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Driver              Constructor    Points               Total Points
Jim Clark           Lotus            9 9 9 9 9 9 4 9 9  54 (76)
Richie Ginther      BRM            6 3 3   4 6 6 6 4    32 (38)
Graham Hill         BRM            9       6     9 3 4  31
Dan Gurney          Brabham          4 6 3         1 6  20
Bruce McLaren       Cooper         4 6         4     3  17
Jack Brabham        Brabham              4   1 2 3 6    15
Tony Maggs          Cooper         3     6     1     1  11
Jo Bonnier          Cooper         1 2       2     2 2  9
Innes Ireland       BRP                4       3        7
Jim Hall            Lotus              1   2 3          6
Jo Siffert          Lotus              2 2              4
Gerhard Mitter      Porsche                  4          4
Lorenzo Bandini     BRM                    3            3
C.G. de Beaufort    Porsche          1           2      3
Trevor Taylor       Lotus          2                    2
Chris Amon          Lola                 1 1            2
Peter Broeker       Stebro                       1      1

Constructors'

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Constructor   Points               Total Points
Lotus         2 9 9 9 9 9 9 4 9 9  54 (78) 
BRM           9 3 3   6 6 6 9 4 4  40 (50)
Brabham         4 6 4   1 2 3 6 6  29 (32)
Cooper        4 6   6   2 4   2 3  25 (27)
BRP               4       3        9
Porsche         1       4   2      7
Lola                1 1            2
Stebro                      1      1

In the French GP, Graham Hill was DSQ'd for a push start, so I moved everybody up one spot. For example, Jo Siffert originally finished sixth, in this championship, he finished fifth.

Not much mattered in that situation, though, as Clark maxed out his points total. As a result, Lotus maxed out their points total as well, oddly enough at the same race, in Italy.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 16 May 2011, 02:26

I invented a new display for the championships. This is mainly because I hate having to count manually how many wins, 2nds, 3rds, etc. one person has.

I'm not sure how to put it in words, but here's an example:
(I'm putting really bad examples here)

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Driver               Constructor      9 6 4 3 2 1  Total Points
Jean-Denis Délétraz  Mercedes         2 3 1 0 1 3  45

So you want to know how this works? Well, on the top row is the points system. 9 for a win, 6 for 2nd, 4 for 3rd, all the way down to one point for sixth. Under each driver is the number of 1st, 2nd, 3rd and so on that the driver got in the season.
So Here's how the calculation would work
9x2=18
6x3=18
4x1=4
3x0=0
2x1=2
1x3=3
18+18+4+2+3=45 points!

Get it? If not, ask below.

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1964
The 1964 season was shaping up to be a close one. After the Austrian Grand Prix, Graham Hill was leading Jim Clark after seven races, by only six points. The top three looked like so:

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Driver               Constructor      9 6 4 3 2 1  Total Points
Graham Hill          BRM              2 1 1 0 1 0  36
Jim Clark            Lotus            3 0 0 1 0 0  30
Richie Ginther       BRM              1 1 0 1 2 1  23

As you can see, Clark had won three times, Hill had one twice, and Ginther won once so far. (Gurney also won a race)

With the next race at Monza, in Italy, oddly enough neither Hill or Clark had scored points for the event, with Hill going out on the first lap due to clutch problems and Clark having an engine failure after 28 laps. With Ginther in second place, and McLaren winning, the top three looked like this:

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Driver               Constructor      9 6 4 3 2 1  Total Points
Graham Hill          BRM              2 1 1 0 1 0  36
Jim Clark            Lotus            3 0 0 1 0 0  30
Richie Ginther       BRM              1 2 0 1 2 1  28 (29)

And all of the sudden a two-horse race turned into a three-horse race. It was a somewhat different story in the constructors, with two races to go, the constructors' looked like so:

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Constructor     9 6 4 3 2 1  Total Points
BRM             3 3 1 1 0 0  45 (52)
Lotus           3 0 1 2 0 1  37 (38)
Brabham         1 2 2 0 2 0  31 (33)
Cooper          1 1 0 1 1 1  23
BRP             0 0 1 1 0 0  7

So BRM has a somewhat comfy lead for the constructors.

The next race was at Watkins Glen. Jim Clark's car was having problems, so he and Mike Spence swapped cars. Not too long after the swap, Clark's old car and Spence's new car (the same one) had an injection problem and was out of the race! Clark, now unable to score points, but still tried, eventually classified his car in seventh, albeit running out of fuel and 8 laps down on the eventual winner, which was... Graham Hill!
It would not matter anyways since shared drives were not legal in F1, so Clark was unable to score points even though he classified in seventh.

...which meant Ginther slipped into 2nd place with eight finishes to his name, so a win in his next race would be adding seven points that count in the championship. With Graham Hill at 47, he had won the championship with a race to go.

Drivers'
9-6-4-3-2-1, best six results count

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Driver               Constructor      9 6 4 3 2 1  Total Points
Graham Hill          BRM              3 1 1 0 1 0  47
Jim Clark            Lotus            3 0 1 1 0 0  34
Richie Ginther       BRM              1 2 1 1 3 1  30 (35)
Bruce McLaren        Cooper           1 1 0 1 0 1  21
Dan Gurney           Brabham          2 0 0 0 0 1  19
Jo Siffert           Brabham          0 2 0 0 1 0  14
Peter Arundell       Lotus            0 1 1 1 0 0  13
Jack Brabham         Brabham          0 0 3 0 0 0  12
Bob Anderson         Brabham          0 1 0 0 2 0  10
Mike Spence          Lotus            0 1 0 1 0 1  10
Tony Maggs           BRM              0 0 1 1 0 0  7
Innes Ireland        BRP              0 0 1 1 0 0  7
Maurice Trintignant  BRM              0 0 1 0 0 0  4
Jo Bonnier           Cooper           0 0 0 0 2 0  4
Walt Hansgen         Lotus            0 0 0 1 0 0  4
Phil Hill            Cooper           0 0 0 1 0 1  4
Chris Amon           Lotus            0 0 0 1 0 0  3
Giancarlo Baghetti   BRM              0 0 0 0 0 2  2
Trevor Taylor        BRP              0 0 0 0 1 0  2
Mike Hailwood        Lotus            0 0 0 0 0 2  2

Constructors'
Best six results count, with points being added by only the best placed driver
(E.G. if Joe finished 2nd and Phil finished 6th and they were on the same team, only Joe's results would count for the constructors'.)

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Constructor     9 6 4 3 2 1  Total Points
BRM             4 3 1 1 2 0  48 (65)
Lotus           3 1 1 3 0 1  40 (47)
Brabham         2 3 2 0 2 0  40 (48)
Cooper          1 1 0 2 1 1  24
BRP             0 0 1 1 1 0  9

Race Winners
Monaco - Graham Hill (BRM)
Netherlands - Jim Clark (Lotus)
Belgium - Jim Clark (Lotus)
France - Dan Gurney (Brabham)
Britain - Jim Clark (Lotus)
Germany - Graham Hill (BRM)
Austria - Richie Ginther (BRM)
Italy - Bruce McLaren (Cooper)
USA - Graham Hill (BRM)
Mexico - Dan Gurney (Brabham)

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 10 Jun 2011, 22:42

1965
This season was a walkover to say the least as Jim Clark and Lotus clinched the two championships with three races to go.

Drivers' Championship
9-6-4-3-2-1, Top six results count

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Driver              Constructor    9 6 4 3 2 1  Total Points
Jim Clark           Lotus          6 0 0 0 0 0  54
Graham Hill         BRM            2 4 0 1 1 0  42 (47)
Jackie Stewart      BRM            1 4 0 1 1 0  36 (38)
Dan Gurney          Brabham        0 2 3 0 1 0  26
Bruce McLaren       Cooper         0 0 2 2 0 0  14
Mike Spence         Lotus          0 0 3 0 0 1  13
Richie Ginther      Honda          1 0 0 0 1 2  11
Jack Brabham        Brabham        0 0 1 1 1 0  9
Jo Siffert          Brabham        0 0 0 2 1 1  9
Denny Hulme         Brabham        0 0 1 0 1 1  7
Jochen Rindt        Cooper         0 0 0 2 0 0  6
Jo Bonnier          Brabham        0 0 0 0 1 4  6
Richard Attwood     Lotus          0 0 0 0 1 1  3
Ronnie Bucknum      Honda          0 0 0 0 1 0  2

Constructors' Championship
Top six results count, only the top result from each team counts

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Constructor     9 6 4 3 2 1  Total Points
Lotus           6 0 1 0 0 0  54 (58)
BRM             3 6 0 0 0 0  45 (63)
Brabham         0 2 4 2 1 1  28 (34)
Cooper          0 0 2 4 0 0  20
Honda           1 0 0 0 1 2  11

Race Winners
South Africa - Jim Clark
Monaco - Graham Hill
Belgium - Jim Clark
France - Jim Clark
Britain - Jim Clark
Netherlands - Jim Clark
Germany - Jim Clark
Italy - Jackie Stewart
USA - Graham Hill
Mexico - Richie Ginther

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 18 Jun 2011, 01:52

1966

Drivers' Championship
9-6-4-3-2-1, Top five results count

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Driver              Constructor    9 6 4 3 2 1  Total Points
Jack Brabham        Brabham        4 2 0 0 0 0  42 (48)
Jochen Rindt        Cooper         1 2 2 0 1 0  29 (31)
Denny Hulme         Brabham        1 2 1 0 0 0  25
John Surtees        Cooper         1 1 1 0 0 0  19
Graham Hill         BRM            0 2 1 1 0 0  19
Jim Clark           Lotus          1 0 1 1 0 0  16
Jackie Stewart      BRM            1 0 0 1 1 0  14
Richie Ginther      Cooper/Honda   0 0 1 1 0 0  7
Mike Spence         Lotus          0 0 1 0 1 0  6
Bob Bondurant       BRM            0 0 1 0 1 0  6
Dan Gurney          Eagle          0 0 0 1 1 1  6
Bob Anderson        Brabham        0 0 0 1 0 1  4
Jo Siffert          Cooper         0 0 0 1 0 0  3
Bruce McLaren       McLaren        0 0 0 0 1 1  3
John Taylor         Brabham        0 0 0 0 1 0  2
Peter Arundell      Lotus          0 0 0 0 0 2  2
Jo Bonnier          Cooper         0 0 0 0 0 2  2

A washout. Brabham could have maxed out his points total but he didn't.

Constructors' Championship
9-6-4-3-2-1, Top Five results count, with the best car scoring

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Constructor    9 6 4 3 2 1  Total Points
Brabham        5 2 0 0 0 0  45 (57)
Cooper         2 3 1 0 1 1  36 (43)
BRM            1 1 1 2 1 0  25 (27)
Lotus          1 0 2 1 0 0  20
Eagle          0 0 0 1 1 1  6
Honda          0 0 0 1 0 0  3
McLaren        0 0 0 0 1 1  3

Also a washout. This time the team maxed out their total.

On a rejectful note, Eagle, out of all teams, beat out McLaren! (And Honda too, on the last race :lol:

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Race Winners
Monaco - Jackie Stewart
Belgium - Jochen Rindt
France - Jack Brabham
Britain - Jack Brabham
Netherlands - Jack Brabham
Germany - Jack Brabham
Italy - Denny Hulme
USA - Jim Clark
Mexico - John Surtees

Interesting note: New rule states that a car has to finish 90% of the race distance to be classified.... it came into use with points positions in the first two races, resulting in only three cars being classified in each race :lol:

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 26 Jun 2011, 22:37

To the three people who are reading this; is it OK if I just post the standings without any of the results in a table? For 1967 now we have the best five results from the first six races and the best four results from the last five or something like that. Too confusing to put it in one or two tables!!

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 27 Jun 2011, 11:04

JeremyMcClean wrote:To the three people who are reading this; is it OK if I just post the standings without any of the results in a table? For 1967 now we have the best five results from the first six races and the best four results from the last five or something like that. Too confusing to put it in one or two tables!!

Absolutely, go for it - I find that easier to read than tables anyway.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 27 Jun 2011, 11:24

James1978 wrote:
JeremyMcClean wrote:To the three people who are reading this; is it OK if I just post the standings without any of the results in a table? For 1967 now we have the best five results from the first six races and the best four results from the last five or something like that. Too confusing to put it in one or two tables!!

Absolutely, go for it - I find that easier to read than tables anyway.

Make that 4 people :mrgreen:

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 27 Jun 2011, 19:43

That's good. I already made 1967 before I posted the question.

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1967
The championship had been all set for Denny Hulme, up until the final race, the top three were Hulme with 47 points, Jack Brabham with 43, and Jim Clark with 33. For Clark, his championship hopes were over, but Brabham could place second or higher and have Hulme turn to sod to win the championship.

Hulme originally turned to sod at the beginning, but recovered. The final standings for the Mexican GP were Clark, Brabham, Hulme, Surtees, Mike Spence and Pedro Rodriguez. Hence, Hulme didn't end up as sod and won the championship.

Driver's Championship
Top five results in first six races count, plus top four results in first five races

1st = Denny Hulme, Brabham, 51pts
2nd = Jack Brabham, Brabham, 47pts (49)
3rd = Jim Clark, Lotus, 42pts
4th = John Surtees, Honda, 22pts
5th = Pedro Rodriguez, Cooper, 17pts
6th = Graham Hill, Lotus, 15pts
7th = Dan Gurney, Eagle, 13pts
8th = Jackie Stewart, BRM, 10pts
9th = Mike Spence, BRM, 9pts
T-10th = Bruce McLaren, McLaren, 7pts (Best finish = 3rd)
T-10th = Jochen Rindt, Cooper, 7pts (Best finish = 3rd)
12th = Jo Siffert, Cooper, 7pts (Best finish = 4th [has two])
13th = Chris Irwin, BRM, 7pts (Best finish = 4th [has one])
14th = John Love, Cooper, 6pts
15th = Jo Bonnier, Cooper, 5pts
16th = Bob Anderson, Brabham, 3pts
17th = Guy Ligier, Brabham, 2pts
18th = Jacky Ickx, Cooper, 1pt

Constructors' Championship
The top five results from the first six races and the top four results from the last five races count, AND only the top finisher counts towards the championship.
1st = Brabham, 66pts (70)
2nd = Lotus, 53pts
3rd = Cooper, 32pts
4th = Honda, 22pts (has won)
5th = BRM, 22pts (did not win)
6th = Eagle, 13pts

Race Winners

South Africa - Pedro Rodriguez
Monaco - Denny Hulme
Netherlands - Jim Clark
Belgium - Dan Gurney
France - Jack Brabham
Britain - Jim Clark

Germany - Denny Hulme
Canada - Jack Brabham
Italy - John Surtees
USA - Jim Clark
Mexico - Jim Clark

Interestingly enough, only five people classified in Monaco.

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You're all right, this IS easier! :lol:

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 21 Jul 2011, 22:55

1968
Unusually, at the half-way mark, the championship battle had gone competitive, with Graham Hill in first with 24 points, Jackie Stewart in second with 19 and Denny Hulme in third with 14. The next race in Britain gave Hulme 2nd and Stewart 4th, making the points standings Hill 24, Stewart 22 and Hulme 20.

Jackie Stewart won the German GP, putting him in the lead with 31, Hill, finishing second, now had 30, and Hulme had 21 coming in 6th. Hulme easily won the Italian GP, now the standings was Stewart 31, Hill 30 and Hulme 30 as well. The Constructors' Championship was heating up (like the weather right now in my city), with Lotus at 45, Matra at 41 and McLaren at 39.

Hulme also won the Canadian GP, with Hill in 4th and Stewart in 6th. The standings were now Hulme 39, Hill 33, and Stewart 32. Lotus and McLaren were tied at 48 and Matra was at 42. Stewart, possibly inspired from Hulme's win, won in America, and Hill came in second. The points standings were now Stewart 41, Hulme and Hill 39. Lotus had 54, McLaren and Matra had 51.

At the final race in Mexico, Hulme qualified 2nd on the grid, only to retire with Suspension problems on Lap 10. Hill was 3rd on the grid, versus Stewart who was seventh on the grid. Hill went all the way to the win, while Stewart was left in seventh place.

Drivers' Championship
9-6-4-3-2-1. Top five results from first and last six races count
1st = Graham Hill, Lotus, 48pts
2nd = Jackie Stewart, Matra, 41pts
3rd = Denny Hulme, McLaren, 39pts
4th = Bruce McLaren, McLaren, 24pts
5th = Pedro Rodriguez, BRM, 19pts
6th = John Surtees, Honda, 17pts
7th = Jo Siffert, Cooper, 14pts
8th = Jean-Pierre Beltoise, Matra, 13pts
9th = Jim Clark, Lotus, 9pts (won)
10th = Richard Attwood, BRM, 9pts (2nd)
11th = Jochen Rindt, Brabham, 8pts
12th = Jackie Oliver, Lotus, 7pts (1 4th, 1 3rd)
13th = Piers Courage, BRM, 7pts (1 4th, 1 5th, 1 6th)
14th = Johnny Servoz-Gavin, Matra, 6pts (1 2nd)
T-15th = Lucien Bianchi, Cooper, 6pts (1 3rd)
T-15th = Vic Elford, Cooper, 6pts (1 3rd)
17th = Lodovico Scarfiotti, Cooper, 6pts (2 4th)
18th = Jo Bonnier, McLaren, 5pts
19th = Brian Redman, Cooper, 4pts
T-20th = Silvio Moser, Brabham, 3pts (1 4th)
T-20th = Jack Brabham, Brabham, 3pts (1 4th)
T-20th = Dan Gurney, Brabham, 3pts (1 4th)

Constructors' Championship
Same as above, but only one result from each team counts
1st = Lotus, 63pts
2nd = McLaren, 56 (58)pts
3rd = Matra, 51pts
4th = BRM, 32pts
5th = Honda, 19pts
6th = Cooper, 17pts
7th = Brabham, 11pts

Race winners
South Africa - Jim Clark
Spain - Graham Hill
Monaco - Graham Hill
Belgium - Bruce McLaren
Netherlands - Jackie Stewart
France - John Surtees
Britain - Jo Siffert
Germany - Jackie Stewart
Italy - Denny Hulme
Canada - Denny Hulme
USA - Jackie Stewart
Mexico - Graham Hill