"Reject of the Year" for years that were not covered.

DOSBoot · Post by **DOSBoot** » 20 Jul 2011, 16:25

I'm just wondering if F1 Rejects, decided to give a reject of the year award to drivers, or other things, that were before 2000. Who would you choose for what year?

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 20 Jul 2011, 16:58

I'll go back as far as 1988

1988
3rd - Satoru Nakajima
2nd - Adrian Campos
1st - Ligier

1989
3rd - March
2nd - Rene Arnoux
1st - Eurobrun

1990
3rd - Claudio Langes
2nd - Lotus
1st - Life

1991
3rd - Coloni
2nd - Bertrand Gachot (only because of his imprisonment and the effect it had on his career)
1st - Footwork

1992
3rd - Andrea Moda
2nd - Ivan Capelli
1st - Brabham

1993
3rd - Lola
2nd - Ferrari
1st - Tyrrell

I'll do 1994-1999 in a short while.

DOSBoot · Post by **DOSBoot** » 20 Jul 2011, 18:31

Here's my suggestion for 1994-95.

1994
3. Olivier Beretta
2. Pacific
1. Lotus

1995
3. Simtek
2. Taki Inohue
1. Nigel Mansell

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 20 Jul 2011, 18:55

1994
3. Lotus
2. Pay drivers
1. Safety

DOSBoot · Post by **DOSBoot** » 20 Jul 2011, 19:34

Here's my take for 1980-87.

1980
3. Jan Lammers
2. Shadow
1. Ferrari

1981
3. South African Grand Prix
2. Fittipaldi
1. Toleman

1982
3. Brian Henton
2. San Marino Grand Prix
1. FISA and FOCA

1983
3. Piercarlo Ghinzani
2. Danny Sullivan
1. Jean-Pierre Jarier

1984
3. Marc Surer
2. Spirit
1. Tyrrell

1985
3. Francois Hesnault
2. Alfa-Romeo
1. Huub Rothengatter

1986
3. Christian Danner
2. Brabham
1. Haas Lola

1987
3. Adrian Campos
2. BMW's Engine
1. Jim Clark Trophy

Post by **tommykl** » 21 Jul 2011, 06:27

1950
3. Maserati - for failing to score more than a couple of points and regularly being beaten by privateer teams using their cars.
2. Luigi Fagioli - honestly, not winning a race while spending the whole championship driving the dominant car showed that he was ageing.
1. Johnny Claes - I mean, honestly, who else?

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 21 Jul 2011, 07:43

Here's a few of my ones:

1999
3. Jean Alesi (The pace was there but kept lurching from disaster to disaster)
2. Alex Zanardi (For whatever reason was soundly thrashed by teammate Schumacher)
1. BAR (Several hundred million dollars and nothing to show for it)

1998
3. Williams (The fall from grace was dramatic and could do nothing about it)
2. Ricardo Rosset (There were 5 DNQs by drivers during the season. All of them by Rosset)
1. Prost (From a hugely competitive 1997 season to scoring a solitary point in 1998)

1997
3. Heinz Harald Frentzen (Was utterly thrashed by Villeneuve and nearly beaten by DC and Alesi to 2nd in the championship)
2. Ford (Pyrotechnic shows to be found in Detroit)
1. Lola (Self-explanatory really)

FMecha · Post by **FMecha** » 21 Jul 2011, 07:50

1991

3. Theiry Boutsen
2. Alain Prost
1. Footwork

(Jamie and Enoch, can you too put two missing RotY - 2000 and 2008 too?)

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 21 Jul 2011, 07:53

FMecha wrote:(Jamie and Enoch, can you too put two missing RotY - 2000 and 2008 too?)

Alexander Wurz got ROTY in 2000 and Jenson Button won it in 2008

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 21 Jul 2011, 11:29

My listings
1993
3) Thierry Boutsen
2) Lola
1) Michael Andretti

1994
3) JJ Lehto
2) Paul Belmondo
1) F1 Safety

1995
3) Karl Wendlinger
2) Taki Inoue
1) Nigel Mansell

1996
3) Forti
2) Ricardo Rosset
1) Pedro Lamy

1997
3) Ukyo Katayama
2) Jan Magnussen
1) Lola

1998
3) Olivier Panis
2) Johnny Herbert
1) Ricardo Rosset

1999
3) Alex Zanardi
2) Damon Hill
1) BAR

FMecha · Post by **FMecha** » 21 Jul 2011, 16:35

Wizzie wrote:
FMecha wrote:(Jamie and Enoch, can you too put two missing RotY - 2000 and 2008 too?)

Alexander Wurz got ROTY in 2000 and Jenson Button won it in 2008

How about 2nd and 3rd for these, though? :roll:

I nominate Prost team for the 2000 RotY's second place.

tc3j3r · Post by **tc3j3r** » 21 Jul 2011, 22:32

FMecha wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
FMecha wrote:(Jamie and Enoch, can you too put two missing RotY - 2000 and 2008 too?)

Alexander Wurz got ROTY in 2000 and Jenson Button won it in 2008

How about 2nd and 3rd for these, though? I nominate Prost team for the 2000 RotY's second place.

In 2000 Pedro Diniz came 2nd with Gaston Mazzacane 3rd, see http://web.archive.org/web/20020818004158/http://f1rejects.crosswinds.net/centrale/2000/review/index.html for the full list. In 2008 Fisichella came 2nd with Sutil 3rd, listen to the season review podcast http://www.f1rejects.com/podcasts/081217.mp3 for the full list. Neither year is "missing", they just can't be found in the same place as all the other years.

FMecha · Post by **FMecha** » 22 Jul 2011, 05:12

^Oh dear, I might not notice that... :oops:

Severe brain fade, indeed, for me.

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 24 Jul 2011, 23:15

Out of curiosity I looked through some of the team reviews in 2000 from that archive page...

F1Rejects.com archive page - review of Sauber's 2000 season wrote:The problem is, Leo Ress has never been willing to take a gamble on design, and Sauber always goes for safe, boring choices. They have to take a punt from time to time, but taking on Formula Renault driver Kimi Raikkonen next year to partner Nick Heidfeld is too extreme a risk. Ultimately, Peter Sauber really has no idea.

...and we all know how that turned out...

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 25 Jul 2011, 11:56

dinizintheoven wrote:Out of curiosity I looked through some of the team reviews in 2000 from that archive page...

F1Rejects.com archive page - review of Sauber's 2000 season wrote:The problem is, Leo Ress has never been willing to take a gamble on design, and Sauber always goes for safe, boring choices. They have to take a punt from time to time, but taking on Formula Renault driver Kimi Raikkonen next year to partner Nick Heidfeld is too extreme a risk. Ultimately, Peter Sauber really has no idea.

...and we all know how that turned out...

Yeah, Kimi ended up leaving the sport to go rallying!

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 25 Jul 2011, 12:00

dr-baker wrote:
dinizintheoven wrote:Out of curiosity I looked through some of the team reviews in 2000 from that archive page...

F1Rejects.com archive page - review of Sauber's 2000 season wrote:The problem is, Leo Ress has never been willing to take a gamble on design, and Sauber always goes for safe, boring choices. They have to take a punt from time to time, but taking on Formula Renault driver Kimi Raikkonen next year to partner Nick Heidfeld is too extreme a risk. Ultimately, Peter Sauber really has no idea.

...and we all know how that turned out...

Yeah, Kimi ended up leaving the sport to go rallying!

After a somewhat poor year!

Post by **mario** » 26 Jul 2011, 20:11

dinizintheoven wrote:Out of curiosity I looked through some of the team reviews in 2000 from that archive page...

F1Rejects.com archive page - review of Sauber's 2000 season wrote:The problem is, Leo Ress has never been willing to take a gamble on design, and Sauber always goes for safe, boring choices. They have to take a punt from time to time, but taking on Formula Renault driver Kimi Raikkonen next year to partner Nick Heidfeld is too extreme a risk. Ultimately, Peter Sauber really has no idea.

...and we all know how that turned out...

To be fair, though, the vast majority of external observers, and even a fair chunk of those within the sport, thought that Peter Sauber was taking a colossal risk. After all, at the time he was signed, Kimi had only completed 23 races in junior racing series like Formula Ford and Formula Renault, and the FIA, unsurprisingly, were very reluctant to issue a Super Licence to a (then) relatively unknown 21 year old rookie.
He was certainly the least experienced driver in the modern era to be offered a seat - even the current test driver line up is more experienced than Kimi was - so, based on what little was known about Kimi before that weekend, it looked like Peter Sauber was taking an absurdly large risk. As it was, Kimi did manage to cope, and put in a very good performance, but it could have easily backfired on Sauber.

DOSBoot · Post by **DOSBoot** » 28 Jul 2011, 20:24

To get back on topic, here's my ROTY for 1996-99.

1996
3. Jos Vertappen
2. Forti
1. Ukyo Katayama

1997
3. Minardi
2. Mastercard Lola
1. Jan Magnussen

1998
3. Tyrrell
2. Ricardo Rosset
1. Williams

1999
3. Damon Hill
2. BAR
1. Jacques Villeneuve

Post by **tommykl** » 29 Jul 2011, 05:08

1951
3. Philippe Etancelin
2. Johnny Claes
1. Maurice Trintignant

Post by **Londoner** » 30 Jul 2011, 08:51

I'll put in my choices for 1995-1999, as I've been watching these races on the net over the last couple of weeks.

1995
3. Williams drivers (The amount of mistakes made during the year which cost the team both titles)
2. Nigel Mansell (Pathetic really. See 'Hang Up The Keys' award)
1. Jean-Denis Deletraz (Two performances which have gone down as legend in F1 Rejects folklore)

1996
3. Ferrari F310 (Heaps of retirements, I remember Irvine having 8 straight retirements between Spain and Italy)
2. Ukyo Katayama (Was this really the same driver from two years ago?)
1. Forti/Shannon (Need I say more)

1997
3. Stewart SF-01 (8 classified finishes out of 34)
2. Michael Schumacher (The stupidness at Jerez, which saw him disqualified from the championship)
1. Mastercard Lola (Making a fine effort to become the worst team ever to contest)

1998
3. Olivier Panis (I know the Prost was a shitbox, but he really was anominious during that season)
2. British American Tobbacco/Tyrrell (Resulted in Ken Tyrrell leaving and an awful, sad final season for Tyrrell)
1. Ricardo Tosser (Need I say more)

1999
3. Luca Badoer's gearbox at the 1999 European Grand Prix ( :cry:

)
2. Arrows (The malarky with that Prince Malik fellow, and an absolute shitbox for a car)
1. BAR (Always nice to see an arrogant team fall flat on their arse)

Yannick · Post by **Yannick** » 03 Aug 2011, 19:25

ROTY is strongly dependant on Enoch's and/or Jamie's pre-season expectations on how different entities in the sport would perform. So to try and re-create this for bygone seasons is an impossible task since even they might not remember their expectations for seasons which are not yet covered by this website. There was a time before the inaugural award and a time after it. It's something you have to live with ;-)

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 03 Aug 2011, 21:31

Yannick wrote:ROTY is strongly dependant on Enoch's and/or Jamie's pre-season expectations on how different entities in the sport would perform. So to try and re-create this for bygone seasons is an impossible task since even they might not remember their expectations for seasons which are not yet covered by this website. There was a time before the inaugural award and a time after it. It's something you have to live with

So Lotus for 1990, according to wiki their target was 40 points.

DOSBoot · Post by **DOSBoot** » 05 Aug 2011, 15:38

Yannick wrote:ROTY is strongly dependant on Enoch's and/or Jamie's pre-season expectations on how different entities in the sport would perform. So to try and re-create this for bygone seasons is an impossible task since even they might not remember their expectations for seasons which are not yet covered by this website. There was a time before the inaugural award and a time after it. It's something you have to live with

Alright. Zip it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32C0eKRQVt8

1993DonningtonNo1 · Post by **1993DonningtonNo1** » 05 Aug 2011, 17:02

1999
1) BAR Supertec (Nuff said)
2) Benetton Playlife (What happened to Fisi after Canada and Wurz after 98?)
3) Arrows (I'm sorry, I just couldn't put Zanardi, not after his far worse Champ Car return 2 years later. Plus the A20 was just the A19 with orange paint and Repsol labels!)

1998
1) Ricardo Rosset (I don't recall Tora Takagi failing to qualify at any point in his entire F1 career!)
2) Esteban Tuero (Called up by Minardi just to make up the numbers and that's just what he did)
3) Prost Peugeot (As Tyrrell was on their last legs anyway and their successor achieved nothing the following year, it has to be Prost, Alain's 1st attempt at building an F1 car instead of slapping his name on a Ligier and just a twice lapped 6th in the Spa demolition derby to show for his efforts and not to mention Panis still not fully recovered from his leg injuries)

1997
1) Master Card Lola (Where do you think Rosset got his DNQ tendencies of the following year from?)
2) Gianni Morbidelli (Came back to F1 just so he could keep injuring himself)
3) Jan Magnussen (I think Stewart GP and Schuey have had enough votes as it is, plus the Dane did nothing to prove his 94 Brit F3 season was no fluke)

1996
1) Forti (With Diniz off to Ligier and the 107% coming in, 96 was a prolonged case of going, going, gone)
2) Giovanni Lavaggi (You'd've thought there would not be any non-qualifiers once Forti were gone)
3) Williams Renault (Sacking Damon Hill was the biggest mistake of Frank Williams' life)

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 06 Aug 2011, 16:47

1994
3rd - JJ Lehto
2nd - Pacific
1st - San Marino Grand Prix

1995
3rd - Karl Wendlinger
2nd - Nigel Mansell
1st - Ukyo Katayama

1996
3rd - Forti
2nd - Ricardo Rosset
1st - Giovanni Lavaggi

1997
3rd - Michael Schumacher
2nd - Gianni Morbidelli
1st - Mastercard Lola

1998
3rd - Olivier Panis
2nd - Tyrrell
1st - Ricardo Rosset

1999
3rd - Alessandro Zanardi
2nd - BAR
1st - Damon Hill

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 06 Aug 2011, 16:57

My verdict for years that were covered

2000
3rd - Alexander Wurz
2nd - Jaguar
1st - Prost

2001
3rd - Benetton
2nd - Tarso Marques
1st - Jenson Button

2002
3rd - Pedro De La Rosa
2nd - Takuma Sato
1st - Alex Yoong

2003
3rd - Sauber
2nd - Jordan
1st - Antonio Pizzonia

2004
3rd - Jaguar
2nd - Cristiano Da Matta
1st - Giorgio Pantano

2005
3rd - Narain Karthikeyan
2nd - United States Grand Prix
1st - Takuma Sato

2006
3rd - Red Bull
2nd - Yuji Ide
1st - Williams

2007
3rd - Spyker
2nd - Ralf Schumacher
1st - Honda

2008
3rd - Force India
2nd - Honda
1st - Jenson Button

2009
3rd - Renault
2nd - Kazuki Nakajima
1st - Nelson Piquet

2010
3rd - Virgin
2nd - Lucas Di Grassi
1st - Vitantonio Liuzzi

2011 so far
3rd - Jerome D'Ambrosio
2nd - Narain Karthikeyan
1st - Williams

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 16 Aug 2011, 12:47

1990

3) Brabham - Good 1989 season fails to transfer over to the new decade, and team scores only 2 points with Modena at the first race.
2) Onyx - Seemingly future champions stab themselves repeatedly, and die of course.
1) Life - When you are somehow 6 minutes off the pace against the faster Pre-Qualifier, destroy the career of a potential points scorer, and can't go any faster with a solid Judd motor. You FAIL!

1991

3) Ferrari - Championship contenders fail to get anywhere close in 1991. And when you have someone like Alain Prost call your car a truck, there's something bloody wrong.
2) Footwork - Steadily going downhill ever since their peak in 1988. Disastrous Porsche partnership, with equally bad results with a Ford powerplant.
1) Coloni - Well, 15 DNPQ's out of 15 is fun, ain't it?

1992

3) Ligier - So you score 6 points and 7th in the WCC. Well, that's fine and dandy considering 3 DNQ's and no points in 1991. But you have Renault engines ffs. You should be doing much better than that.
2) Yamaha - Great job! You just brought Jordan plunging down to earth.
1) Andrea Moda - Do I need to say anything?

1993

3) Ivan Capelli - Say all you want. Yes, he is a fantastic driver, and yes his confidence was dealt a huge blow after Ferrari. But you're still a racing driver, and being totally outdone by your teammate, and DNQ-ing in a solid car, is no excuse. Sorry Ivan.
2) Michele Alboreto - Outdone by rookie teammate Badoer for most of the year, and DNQ's 5 times. Oh dear.
1) Lola - "What is this s**tbox!?"

1994

3) Benetton - You should be trying to challenge for the WCC, not trying to set 1 of your drivers on fire...
2) Lotus - Seemingly on the upswing back to greatness, and with highly-rated Mugen motors, 1994 was an utter disappointment.
1) Pacific - A car with the rigidity of paper, qualifying only because of others misfortune, and claiming they would be faster than Simtek. Not good for a Junior Formulae Winner.

1995

3) Williams - You have the best car on the field, with arguably the best designer of all time, with the best engine in the field, and you gift the titles to Benetton.
2) Tyrrell - Crazy what's its name suspension fails miserably, and all the progress made in 1994 is lost.
1) Pacific - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEME-XwZfIA

1996

3) Sauber - Much more expected with new V10 works units from Ford.
2) Martin Brundle - Comprehensively outpaced by Rubens. Retirement well justified.
1) Forti - To quote Jamie and Enoch; "First plenty of cash with bad car; then decent car with no money"

1997

3) Arrows - So much for the title winning car, Tom. A total waste of Damon's time.
2) Ford - One of their engines blows up before you can even blink, one of them is unspectacular, and the other powers the ROTY and one of the most farcical outfits ever.
1) Lola - Congrats Lola, you deserved this one. Ends any hope of Vincenzo Sospiri in F1, ruins Ricardo Rosset's reputation (though Tyrrell inflicting far more damage). And you claim that you will outpace Stewart, and claim you have windtunnel testing. "And all I can say to that is b****hit".

1998

3) Stewart - Fast in 1997 but unreliable. Not that much more reliable in 1998, and not very spectacular either.
2) BAT/Craig Pollock - They just handled the Tyrrell affair outrageously.
1) Prost - This isn't CART or IRL, Alain. You can't buy a chassis, engine and tyres and hope for success. It's F1. You gotta work for it.

1999

3) Olivier Panis - Comprehensively outpaced by Jarno Trulli in race trim and in points, despite having the better qualifying record.
2) Arrows - Prince Malik ftw.
1) Lucky Strike 555 Reynard Teleglobe Jacques Villeneuve Racing British American Racing Bridgestone Supertec - I'm sorry, but that money would have been better spent improving the world.

FMecha · Post by **FMecha** » 16 Aug 2011, 13:02

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:
1994

3) Pacific - A car with the rigidity of paper, qualifying only because of others misfortune, and claiming they would be faster than Simtek. Not good for a Junior Formulae Winner.
2) Lotus - Seemingly on the upswing back to greatness, and with highly-rated Mugen motors, 1994 was an utter disappointment.
1) Driver safety - Lots of horrible accidents in 1994, fatal and non-fatal made the safety of the sport questionable. Especially at Imola.

Fixed.

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 16 Aug 2011, 13:20

I've quite frankly had enough of people who keep on saying 'safety, safety safety.' I've said this before; I don't like seeing people dieing, or getting badly hurt, but that is all part of the sport. When you make a mistake at top speed, you are supposed to pay, somehow. If your car fails you, then that's too bad. That's part of racing and luck. CART had three fatal accidents in the Split era, Jeff Krosnoff at Toronto in 1996, Gonzalo Rodriguez at Laguna Seca in 1999 and Greg Moore at Fontana in 1999. But they were doing what they loved, and especially in Moore's case, he was doing it because racing was part of him, and he accepted all the risks, knowing it could take him away.

To quote Paul Page; "without the danger, the men are ordinary".

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 16 Aug 2011, 13:48

But they died. They shouldn't have died doing something that for all intents and purposes is entertainment.

And as someone who has had more bereavements in my 17 years than I would have preferred, I'd bet the friends and family of these guys who died 'doing something they loved' would rather they were still alive and working behind the till in Tesco, than a dead and a motorsport hero.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 20 Aug 2011, 22:48

The thing is, death is an integral part of life. You can die anywhere. As Jackie Stewart said: "No matter how secure F1 is, we'll have another fatality." There are a lot of factors you can't control. So you can't sey they shouldn't have died. These things just happen. It's sad, it's tough and I feel sorry, really, but you have to think that only three drivers were killed of the some 40 or so that competed in CART during that period, to follow the example.

DOSBoot · Post by **DOSBoot** » 14 Sep 2011, 17:30

Okay. Here's some more I came up with for 1975-79.

1975
3. Ronnie Peterson
2. Lotus
1. BRM

1976
3. Jean Pierre Jarier
2. Brabham
1. Emerson Fittipaldi

1977
3. John Watson
2. Clay Raggazoni
1. BRM

1978
3. Shadow
2. Hans-Joachim Stuck
1. Arturo Merzario

1979
3. Brabham
2. Emerson Fittipaldi
1. Lotus

Ferrim · Post by **Ferrim** » 29 Sep 2011, 09:50

I will do a list of RotY only (not 2nd and 3rd places). I think most will agree with these:

1999: BAR
1998: Ricardo Rosset (but it's a tough choice between him and Prost)
1997: Lola
1996: Forti
1995: Pacific
1994: (Lack of) safety
1993: Andretti
1992: Capelli

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 29 Sep 2011, 10:47

Ferrim wrote:I will do a list of RotY only (not 2nd and 3rd places). I think most will agree with these:

1999: BAR
1998: Ricardo Rosset (but it's a tough choice between him and Prost)
1997: Lola
1996: Forti
1995: Pacific
1994: (Lack of) safety
1993: Andretti
1992: Capelli

1998 is Prost for me. First things first, Rosset is perhaps one of the most unluckiest drivers in (somewhat) recent memory. 1996 for Footwork with a somewhat insane Tom Walkinshaw at the helm, 1997 at the Lola fiasco, and 1998 at Tyrrell where the mechanics basically wanted to kill him. The 1995 F3000 season was arguably not very strong, but still, this was 2nd in the championship in his debut season, in the cars which Faustus described as being much more challenging than the spec series and better preparation for F1. On the other hand, Prost had a fantastic 1997 year, be it with Ligier equipment, and fell right down to earth in 98'. Perhaps CART would have been a better choice for The Professor.

While Lola was arguably the biggest farce of all time, I personally think that due to only 1 entry, it should go to someone else. The problem is that nobody else was particularly rejectworthy, so Lola it is!

Same goes for 1996 I guess, though Katayama is probably somewhere near the top.

I'm not gonna talk about 1994 because I know I'm gonna get involved in some forum war.

1993 is deserved by Scuderia Italia/Lola for a ridiculous car. To quote Michele Alboreto following a test run, "We're dead". Andretti was not as bad as many think. His qualifying pace was usually around Senna's time, and many times he got involved in unfortunate accidents, Donington with Wendlinger for example. With a bit more commitment to the cause, he could have been a serious contender for wins. Italy 1993 was fantastic.

Err, what about Andrea Moda for 1992? :lol:

Ferrim · Post by **Ferrim** » 29 Sep 2011, 14:52

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:1993 is deserved by Scuderia Italia/Lola for a ridiculous car. To quote Michele Alboreto following a test run, "We're dead". Andretti was not as bad as many think. His qualifying pace was usually around Senna's time, and many times he got involved in unfortunate accidents, Donington with Wendlinger for example. With a bit more commitment to the cause, he could have been a serious contender for wins. Italy 1993 was fantastic.

Err, what about Andrea Moda for 1992?

Err, you're quite right on Andrea Moda. I should be punished for forgetting about them :mrgreen:

But I feel free to disagree with Andretti not being "as bad". I know he was somewhat unlucky with rule changes, incidents and so on, but he completely failed to deliver. His qualifying pace wasn't "usually around Senna's time": he never got any closer than 0.5s, and only four times out of thirteen attempts he was closer than 1 second. Italy 1993 wasn't a particularly great race, he finished 3rd mainly because of attrition: Senna, Schumacher, Prost and Berger retired, someone had to finish 3rd and he wasn't very fast. Reject of the Year is partially based on expectations, and I guess the expectations of Scuderia Italia being shameful were higher than these of Andretti being so slow compared with Senna; I know Lola is not only their 1997 F1 car, but they hadn't been very successful with their attempts in the few previous years...

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 30 Oct 2011, 23:55

I just thought, Julian Bailey is a candidate for 1988, only qualified his Tyrrell 6 times all season, whilst teammate Jonathan Palmer scored 5 points, and could have possibly scored a podium at Detroit.

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 31 Oct 2011, 01:33

So far I can contribute with 1994 and 1995

1994

3- Driver Safety
2- Pacific
1- Pay Drivers

1995
3- TI Aida still being a Formula One circuit
2- Simtek
1- Taki Inoue

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 01 Nov 2011, 01:06

1994:

1. Driver Safety
2. Pacific
3. Lotus

1995:

1. Forti
2. JDD
3. Taki Inoue

1996:

1. Forti (again)
2. Giovanni Lavaggi
3. Ricardo Rosset

1997:

1. MasterCard Lola
2. Michael Schumacher (For that crash)
3. Sauber's second seat

1998:

1. Prost
2. Jan Magnussen
3. Ricardo Rosset

1999:

1. Alex Zanardi

2. Arrows
3. Damon Hill

2000:

1. Prost
2. Pedro Diniz
3. Jordan reliability

1993DonningtonNo1 · Post by **1993DonningtonNo1** » 01 Dec 2011, 12:31

1995
3) Karl Wendlinger - If big crashes were reasons for 'Hang up the keys', this would be more than worthy of a mention.
2) Taki Inoue - A lesson in how to injure yourself without crashing your car!
1) The comeback kings - It would be so easy to say Simtek, Pacific or Forti but just look at all the names who made disappointing returns to F1 that year, Mansell, Moreno, Tarquini to name a few...

1994
3) JJ Lehto - Would have been Benetton's answer to Dave Walker had he not been promoted to 6th in Canada.
2) Lotus - At least Larrousse got some points out of their 6 drivers!
3) Pacific - You could tell their car was a Benetton clone, it handled like a prototype!

1993
3) Tyrrell - Their 1st pointless season!
2) Derek Warwick - Another disappointing comeback king.
1) Michele Alboreto - Driving for the worst team is bad enough, but being outperformed by your rookie team-mate is worse, how Minardi chose him for 94 instead of Badoer is beyond me!

1992
3) Jordan - 2nd year blues would be a massive understatement!
2) Ferrari - If the 1991 car was a truck according to Prost, what does that make the 1992 car?
1) Minardi - A solitary point being the result of losing Martini and Ferrari to Dallara after reaching their peak in 1991.

1991
3) Thierry Boutsen - What a way to go after 2 years at Williams, no points for Ligier!
2) Footwork - 200+kg Porsche V12 equals 1st pointless season!
1) Larrousse Lola - From 11 points in 1990 to just 2 in 1991 though quite a few teams fell from grace in 1991.

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 02 Dec 2011, 13:32

I actually though Warwick did OK in 1993 but just had dreadful luck. He was taken out by Patrese and Irvine trying reckless overtaking moves in Portugal and Japan, and lost points on several other occasions when the car let him down or had collisons with his teammate when in good positions (and I don;t think they were necessarily his fault).