Your Reject Of The Race - Great Britain

Post by **Londoner** » 07 Jul 2012, 14:49

At the moment, I think it has to go to Sauber. Sent both cars out on the wrong tyre at the Q2 restart, and it cost them dearly.

I'm also throwing out an dishonourable nomination to any smartarses (I'm looking at you Doctor Baker) who state the obvious and claim 'it's only qualifying'.

TheBigJ · Post by **TheBigJ** » 07 Jul 2012, 15:14

I nominate you for such a late showing of the RotR thread!

But honestly I think Qually will be fairly pointless come race day. Because of the rain I reckon the nutters will get RotR. Expect some classic stuff from The Reverend and Karthikeyan in the race..

Ferrim · Post by **Ferrim** » 07 Jul 2012, 15:40

Button is looking good again: at this rate, he will end up as ROTY, for the third time.

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 07 Jul 2012, 15:42

I nominate anyone who nominates "the weather".

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 07 Jul 2012, 16:06

There isn't a lot of nominees as of yet but the contender seems to be Jenson Button. Even if he has a scathing gearbox problem, it's inexcusable to get out in Q1 along with HRT, Caterham and Marussia!

CoopsII wrote:I nominate anyone who nominates "the weather".

That being nobody so far? It's made up a great race so far, I can't see anyone nominating it. Except maybe the impatient fan who got turned away in the parking lots.

Dj_bereta · Post by **Dj_bereta** » 07 Jul 2012, 17:59

Racing control/stewards: Red Flag in Q2 clearly benefited ferrari.

Post by **mario** » 07 Jul 2012, 18:25

Dj_bereta wrote:Racing control/stewards: Red Flag in Q2 clearly benefited ferrari.

That red flag may have benefited Ferrari, but then again given that several drivers had just spun (Massa, Alonso and Schumacher had all spun, whilst Hamilton nearly ran into one of the Sauber drivers who had half spun in the final corner), I can see why Whiting was concerned enough to throw a red flag.

fjackdaw · Post by **fjackdaw** » 07 Jul 2012, 21:07

Dj_bereta wrote:Racing control/stewards: Red Flag in Q2 clearly benefited ferrari.

Blimey, are we still doing the whole Ferrari conspiracy thing? That's SO last decade.

Yes, sometimes decisions will appear to favour one team. Others won't. If you're looking for a conspiracy, of course you'll mentally edit out the ones that don't fit the 'pattern'.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 07 Jul 2012, 21:32

Dj_bereta wrote:Racing control/stewards: Red Flag in Q2 clearly benefited ferrari.

Yes, because there clearly wasn't any danger of a car flying off the track and having a massive accident like Senna had in practice.

Vepe · Post by **Vepe** » 07 Jul 2012, 21:32

fjackdaw wrote:
Dj_bereta wrote:Racing control/stewards: Red Flag in Q2 clearly benefited ferrari.

Blimey, are we still doing the whole Ferrari conspiracy thing? That's SO last decade.

Yes, sometimes decisions will appear to favour one team. Others won't. If you're looking for a conspiracy, of course you'll mentally edit out the ones that don't fit the 'pattern'.

Having a Ferrari driver (can't remember if it was Alonso or Massa) complaining about 'undriveable conditions' to team radio right before a red flag is surely not one of the reason for this conspiracy :roll:

Anyway, I introduce a sub-category, Reject of Practise Sessions (RoPS*), which include Free Practise session and qualifying, since it is officialy Qualifying Practise, and nominate Race Control: I just can't see why they had to red-flag it when 2/3rds of Q2 was already run and only one driver hadn't set a time yet.

*RoPS is also a Finnish football club

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 07 Jul 2012, 21:37

Vepe wrote:
fjackdaw wrote:
Dj_bereta wrote:Racing control/stewards: Red Flag in Q2 clearly benefited ferrari.

Blimey, are we still doing the whole Ferrari conspiracy thing? That's SO last decade.

Yes, sometimes decisions will appear to favour one team. Others won't. If you're looking for a conspiracy, of course you'll mentally edit out the ones that don't fit the 'pattern'.

Having a Ferrari driver (can't remember if it was Alonso or Massa) complaining about 'undriveable conditions' to team radio right before a red flag is surely not one of the reason for this conspiracy
Did you even watch

Anyway, I introduce a sub-category, Reject of Practise Sessions (RoPS*), which include Free Practise session and qualifying, since it is officialy Qualifying Practise, and nominate Race Control: I just can't see why they had to red-flag it when 2/3rds of Q2 was already run and only one driver hadn't set a time yet.

*RoPS is also a Finnish football club

Did you even watch the qualifying? Cars were sliding off all over the place, and it was only a matter of time before one of them had a big off. But no, because Ferrari were 15th and 16th and had no hope at that stage if the session continued, obviously that's the reason they red flagged it. Not, you know, because the conditions were actually undrivable. That's just being silly.

I would've nominated Jenson Button for, well, obvious reasons, but screw it, Ferrari conspiracy theorists take the cake for me right now. I mean, Christ.

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 07 Jul 2012, 21:43

What does Psyduck refer to as a smiley? I like it

Vepe · Post by **Vepe** » 07 Jul 2012, 21:44

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:Did you even watch the qualifying? Cars were sliding off all over the place, and it was only a matter of time before one of them had a big off. But no, because Ferrari were 15th and 16th and had no hope at that stage if the session continued, obviously that's the reason they red flagged it. Not, you know, because the conditions were actually undrivable. That's just being silly.

I would've nominated Jenson Button for, well, obvious reasons, but screw it, Ferrari conspiracy theorists take the cake for me right now. I mean, Christ.

Yes, I did watch it, but only cars I saw spinning were Schumacher and Ferraris.

And about the conspiracy, I'm not one of the conspiracy theorists, my comment was meant to be sarcastic...

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 07 Jul 2012, 21:50

shinji wrote:What does Psyduck refer to as a smiley? I like it

I interpret it as "OH GOD WHAT THE HELL DID I JUST READ".

Vepe wrote:Yes, I did watch it, but only cars I saw spinning were Schumacher and Ferraris.

And about the conspiracy, I'm not one of the conspiracy theorists, my comment was meant to be sarcastic...

Whoops. My bad, I guess I need to work on my sarcasm detecting skills.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 07 Jul 2012, 22:17

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
shinji wrote:What does Psyduck refer to as a smiley? I like it

I interpret it as "OH GOD WHAT THE HELL DID I JUST READ".

Does this mean I can use my Interisti emoticons now?

Either Thiago Motta or Mourinho is the best one for "WTF am I reading?"
Also, I think Sneijder is doing a Kimi Raikkonen Interlagos '06 impression :lol:

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 07 Jul 2012, 22:35

kostas22 wrote:
BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
shinji wrote:What does Psyduck refer to as a smiley? I like it

I interpret it as "OH GOD WHAT THE HELL DID I JUST READ".

Does this mean I can use my Interisti emoticons now?

Either Thiago Motta or Mourinho is the best one for "WTF am I reading?"
Also, I think Sneijder is doing a Kimi Raikkonen Interlagos '06 impression

Please not. Everything has its limits. Let's restrict football talk to the respective thread, thank you

Post by **Ataxia** » 07 Jul 2012, 22:43

kostas22 wrote:
BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
shinji wrote:What does Psyduck refer to as a smiley? I like it

I interpret it as "OH GOD WHAT THE HELL DID I JUST READ".

Does this mean I can use my Interisti emoticons now?

Either Thiago Motta or Mourinho is the best one for "WTF am I reading?"
Also, I think Sneijder is doing a Kimi Raikkonen Interlagos '06 impression

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 07 Jul 2012, 22:49

Back on topic, guys, back on topic...

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 07 Jul 2012, 23:14

kostas22 wrote:
BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
shinji wrote:What does Psyduck refer to as a smiley? I like it

I interpret it as "OH GOD WHAT THE HELL DID I JUST READ".

Does this mean I can use my Interisti emoticons now?

Either Thiago Motta or Mourinho is the best one for "WTF am I reading?"
Also, I think Sneijder is doing a Kimi Raikkonen Interlagos '06 impression

Oh god what have I done

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 07 Jul 2012, 23:19

I now propose that no mention of footbal on this forum ever again and that from now on it is reffered to as TSTMNBOF1RDCF

Dj_bereta · Post by **Dj_bereta** » 07 Jul 2012, 23:27

fjackdaw wrote:
Dj_bereta wrote:Racing control/stewards: Red Flag in Q2 clearly benefited ferrari.

Blimey, are we still doing the whole Ferrari conspiracy thing? That's SO last decade.

Yes, sometimes decisions will appear to favour one team. Others won't. If you're looking for a conspiracy, of course you'll mentally edit out the ones that don't fit the 'pattern'.

Of course I forget to mention Schumacher in my post, another driver who was benefitied by red flag too. :oops:

My intention wasn't starting another conspiracy theory but for me they at least could wait the end of session and delayed Q3 instead of red flag Q2 and wait to track to dry at the point of a driver could do a run with inters. In Fuji 07 they raced in a bad condition, of course the cars and the tyres are different, but, they raced. Another good example are the qualify for France GP in 1999. The track condition worsened during the session, some cars spun off, but if I remember well, the qualify continued.

They are "red flagging" the qualify/races so easily for me. I understand the safety concern about racing in wet conditions, but what the point of having a full wet tyre if they red flags any race with full wet conditions?

For that reason I nominated the racing control for my ROTR.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 07 Jul 2012, 23:35

Dj_bereta wrote:
fjackdaw wrote:
Dj_bereta wrote:Racing control/stewards: Red Flag in Q2 clearly benefited ferrari.

Blimey, are we still doing the whole Ferrari conspiracy thing? That's SO last decade.

Yes, sometimes decisions will appear to favour one team. Others won't. If you're looking for a conspiracy, of course you'll mentally edit out the ones that don't fit the 'pattern'.

Of course I forget to mention Schumacher in my post, another driver who was benefitied by red flag too.

My intention wasn't starting another conspiracy theory but for me they at least could wait the end of session and delayed Q3 instead of red flag Q2 and wait to track to dry at the point of a driver could do a run with inters. In Fuji 07 they raced in a bad condition, of course the cars and the tyres are different, but, they raced. Another good example are the qualify for France GP in 1999. The track condition worsened during the session, some cars spun off, but if I remember well, the qualify continued.

They are "red flagging" the qualify/races so easily for me. I understand the safety concern about racing in wet conditions, but what the point of having a full wet tyre if they red flags any race with full wet conditions?

For that reason I nominated the racing control for my ROTR.

The thing is, even with the extreme tyre, the cars were undriveable. I too was disappointed when the session was red-flagged but I can see the point. Pirelli needs to create moonsoon tyres pronto.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 08 Jul 2012, 00:45

I nominate the entire Vodafone McLaren Mercedes team. No, it has absolutely nothing to do with what's going down on track. Yes, it has absolutely everything to do with this :lol:

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 08 Jul 2012, 01:04

Wizzie wrote:I nominate the entire Vodafone McLaren Mercedes team. No, it has absolutely nothing to do with what's going down on track. Yes, it has absolutely everything to do with this

I got it. This surely explains why Jenson Button is being so dismal this year, and why McLaren's pitstops suck. They're spending the whole time doing this sort of stupid things and the drivers have to be involved as well. Sure, I am exaggerating, but I can't help but feel this must have some sort of effect on the performance of the team.

DalekSam · Post by **DalekSam** » 08 Jul 2012, 01:52

I personally fail to see how anyone can nominate Jenson for a Marussia conveniently spinning on the start/finish line and causing a yellow flag totally calls for ROTR.

Additionally, if the Red Flag hadn't of come out when it did, it'd surely have done so not soon after with a huge accident.

Once again, I nominate the F1 Rejects forum for truly baffling me.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 08 Jul 2012, 01:55

DalekSam wrote:I personally fail to see how anyone can nominate Jenson for a Marussia conveniently spinning on the start/finish line and causing a yellow flag totally calls for ROTR.

The Marussia was just the final nail in the coffin. It's just that Jenson should NEVER have been in that position to start with anyway. Especially in a car that started out the year as the best on the grid (Although I suspect McLaren have lost that edge now and are looking more and more like ROTY favourites by the minute)

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 08 Jul 2012, 03:18

Wizzie wrote:
DalekSam wrote:I personally fail to see how anyone can nominate Jenson for a Marussia conveniently spinning on the start/finish line and causing a yellow flag totally calls for ROTR.

The Marussia was just the final nail in the coffin. It's just that Jenson should NEVER have been in that position to start with anyway. Especially in a car that started out the year as the best on the grid (Although I suspect McLaren have lost that edge now and are looking more and more like ROTY favourites by the minute)

To take a leaf out of Wizzie's favourite saying:

BINGO! Someone give this man a beer.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 08 Jul 2012, 05:35

Wizzie wrote:I nominate the entire Vodafone McLaren Mercedes team. No, it has absolutely nothing to do with what's going down on track. Yes, it has absolutely everything to do with this

Oh dear

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 08 Jul 2012, 07:45

Wizzie wrote:I nominate the entire Vodafone McLaren Mercedes team. No, it has absolutely nothing to do with what's going down on track. Yes, it has absolutely everything to do with this

I see what they did there - digitally-rendered representations of current McLaren personalities in the interests of securing the interests of a juvenile demographic.

Kobacrashi · Post by **Kobacrashi** » 08 Jul 2012, 07:54

I am going to have to nominate the rule limiting the number of wet tyres and inters. I remember first reading that rule and thinking that on a wet weekend they might struggle with running etc... If the race turns out to be wet all the way through I can seriously see cars tyres becoming a massive issue.

In the current climate of safety is everything this rule makes no sense to me.

Warren Hughes · Post by **Warren Hughes** » 08 Jul 2012, 08:28

Captain Hammer wrote:
Wizzie wrote:I nominate the entire Vodafone McLaren Mercedes team. No, it has absolutely nothing to do with what's going down on track. Yes, it has absolutely everything to do with this

I see what they did there - digitally-rendered representations of current McLaren personalities in the interests of securing the interests of a juvenile demographic.

He's fluent in Ronspeak

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 08 Jul 2012, 08:40

Kobacrashi wrote:In the current climate of safety is everything this rule makes no sense to me.

It all boils down to money, dear boy. It costs an awful amount of money to produce and transport wet weather tyres that'll go unused more often than not.

Post by **mario** » 08 Jul 2012, 09:01

Wizzie wrote:
Kobacrashi wrote:In the current climate of safety is everything this rule makes no sense to me.

It all boils down to money, dear boy. It costs an awful amount of money to produce and transport wet weather tyres that'll go unused more often than not.

It is part of the reason why Bridgestone never made a monsoon tyre when they became the exclusive suppliers - if the conditions were wet enough for those tyres to be needed, the red flag would have been thrown by that time (the monsoon tyres would be used in conditions where even the safety car could struggle with aquaplaning), so they would never be used.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 08 Jul 2012, 09:06

mario wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
Kobacrashi wrote:In the current climate of safety is everything this rule makes no sense to me.

It all boils down to money, dear boy. It costs an awful amount of money to produce and transport wet weather tyres that'll go unused more often than not.

It is part of the reason why Bridgestone never made a monsoon tyre when they became the exclusive suppliers - if the conditions were wet enough for those tyres to be needed, the red flag would have been thrown by that time (the monsoon tyres would be used in conditions where even the safety car could struggle with aquaplaning), so they would never be used.

Although, as Martin brought up in the coverage yesterday, they did use to have a monsoon tyre which they took to places like Japan back before the one wet tyre rule in 2003. They never got used in the end because of the reason you mentioned above Mario.

TheBigJ · Post by **TheBigJ** » 08 Jul 2012, 13:41

Maldonado : told you the nutters would fail.
Perez : For lacking class.
Sauber : For being generally rejectful.
Hulkenburg : Again showing a lack of maturity.

But my winner is Nico Rosberg. Everything that could have gone wrong did go wrong. Totally anonymous.

Honourable mention to those who predicted the rain.

the Masked Lapwing · Post by **the Masked Lapwing** » 08 Jul 2012, 13:49

I can't think of anyone properly deserving of it, so I'm going to nominate Alan Jones - Apparently, Webber starts losing, he should go to Ferrari. He starts winning, he should stay at Red Bull :lol:

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 08 Jul 2012, 13:52

I nominate Perez (sadly) for being an over-aggressive oaf and Maldonado for being anonymous the whole race after being taken out by Perez.

Honourable mention goes to Kobayashi for throwing away a points finish in the pits and making a fool of himself.

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 08 Jul 2012, 13:52

I'm going to give it to Pierce Brosnan. James Bond films typically see Bond dispatch a villain with a quip - and Tomorrow Never Dies had a particularly poor one:

"You've forgotten the first rule of mass media, Elliot! Give the people what they want"

It appears that the FOM television director followed this rule by concentrating on the British drivers ... who did nothing. As a result, we missed out on all the interesting stuff because we were too busy being told that Lewis Hamilton was going forwards when he as clearly in reverse.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 08 Jul 2012, 13:56

Captain Hammer wrote:I'm going to give it to Pierce Brosnan. James Bond films typically see Bond dispatch a villain with a quip - and Tomorrow Never Dies had a particularly poor one:

"You've forgotten the first rule of mass media, Elliot! Give the people what they want"

It appears that the FOM television director followed this rule by concentrating on the British drivers ... who did nothing. As a result, we missed out on all the interesting stuff because we were too busy being told that Lewis Hamilton was going forwards when he as clearly in reverse.

I'd nominate him too if Perez wasn't so clumsy on Maldonado... (sadly)

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 08 Jul 2012, 13:58

I don't think Perez was clumsy. We saw Webber make his move on Alonso stick there, and Senna did the same thing to Hulkenberg. So it was certainly possible, and perez probably would have seen it through were it not for Maldonado losing the back end.