Takagi's F1 game - Britain race up!

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 27 Oct 2013, 20:59

Yep, as previously threatened, I have decided to resurrect my patented pen and paper F1 management game. The year is 2000, and to usher in a new millennium in motor racing, all 11 Formula 1 teams have decided to usher in new management as well. All 11 teams have long since had their engine and sponsorship deals wrapped up, but the driver contracts are yet to be decided. Are you up to the task of taking your team to glory?

Teams current budget
West McLaren Mercedes- 27,450,000 -Salamander
Marlboro Scuderia Ferrari- 30,450,000 -peteroli34
Benson and Hedges Jordan Mugen- 18,750,000 -good_Ralf
HSBC Jaguar Racing- 18,600,000 -Freeze-O-Kimi
Compaq Williams BMW- 19,000,000 -roblomas52
Mild Seven Benetton Playlife- 11,750,000 -Ataxia
Gauloises Prost Peugeot- 20,500,000 -Rated
Sauber Petronas- 8,250,000 -Collieafc
Orange Arrows Supertec- 6,250,000 -pasta_maldonado
Telefonica Minardi Fondmetal- 17,750,000 -kevinbotz
Lucky Strike BAR Honda- 27,250,000 -andrew

Waiting list
AustralianStig
Herrmann95
pycku
MrMasaTasa

Post by **Ataxia** » 27 Oct 2013, 21:01

EDIT: Scratch that, I'll try and take Benetton back to the glory days.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 27 Oct 2013, 21:04

I would like to manage Jordan.

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 27 Oct 2013, 21:06

Ill enter this and take Ferrari

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 27 Oct 2013, 21:09

good_Ralf wrote:I would like to manage Jordan.

Driver 1 - Heinz-Harald Frentzen
Driver 2 - Jacques Villeneuve

Test driver 1 - Allan McNish
Test driver 2 - Jenson Button

Driver sign-up hasn't begun yet; that craic will begin later my friend

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 27 Oct 2013, 21:22

I love the 2000 cars. I'll manage Jaguar then. Sign me in with the Green team and let me make their dreams come true

andrew · Post by **andrew** » 27 Oct 2013, 21:28

I'll take B.A.R Honda

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 27 Oct 2013, 21:40

I'll take McLaren. Again.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 27 Oct 2013, 21:40

takagi_for_the_win wrote:
good_Ralf wrote:I would like to manage Jordan.

Driver 1 - Heinz-Harald Frentzen
Driver 2 - Jacques Villeneuve

Test driver 1 - Allan McNish
Test driver 2 - Jenson Button

Driver sign-up hasn't begun yet; that craic will begin later my friend

Were we a bit hasty there Ralf? Never mind these alternative championships are really fun so it's forgivable.

Salamander wrote:I'll take McLaren. Again.

Weren't you Williams in 1990 or was it in another alternative Championship you've competed in

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 27 Oct 2013, 21:41

May I please have Williams

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 27 Oct 2013, 21:45

I'd like to manage Arrows please, Takagi!

Rated · Post by **Rated** » 27 Oct 2013, 21:48

May I please have Prost ?

Collieafc · Post by **Collieafc** » 27 Oct 2013, 21:53

May I take Sauber please?

Post by **kevinbotz** » 27 Oct 2013, 22:19

I'll take Minardi, then.

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 27 Oct 2013, 22:40

Right, well that's the team sign-up done and dusted; now we move on to the fun (or really, really head-bangingly frustrating) stuff.

First up is the driver sign-up. You can name as many drivers as you want, as I'll be using an RNG to decide who goes where. To prevent any confusion, could you lay out your driver choices as so:

Driver name/Wage/Status within team (Lead driver/equal status/second driver/test driver)/contract length (anything up to 3 years)

Bear in mind that some drivers will bring sponsorship with them; if you want to know how much a driver will bring (if any), don't be afraid to ask!

Also, bear in mind that over the course of the season, you may want to upgrade your car or have some private testing (although there will be 3 free FIA-sanctioned tests over the course of the season), so don't splurge all your money on your drivers.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 27 Oct 2013, 22:45

I was just too overexcited at this, so now I can choose my drivers

Driver 1 - Heinz-Harald Frentzen (2.5m) for 3 years
Driver 2 - Jacques Villeneuve (4m) for 2 years

If not
- Juan Pablo Montoya (3m) for 2 years
- Nick Heidfeld (2m) for 2 years
- Stéphane Sarrazin (1m) for 2 years

Test driver 1 - Allan McNish (1m) for 2 years
Test driver 2 - Jenson Button (0.5m) for 1 year

AustralianStig · Post by **AustralianStig** » 27 Oct 2013, 22:56

I'd like to be added to the waiting list for this one, please

Or I'd be happy to run a tyre/engine supplier deal, when that gets introduced.

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 27 Oct 2013, 23:03

Driver 1: Mika Hakkinen (7.5m)
Driver 2: Michael Schumacher (11m)
Both driver are to be given equal status
If that fails…

Johnny Herbert (4m)
Eddie Irvine (4m)
Jean Alesi (4m)

Test driver 1: Pedro De La Rosa (6m sponsorship money)
Test driver 2: Fernando Alonso (800k)

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 27 Oct 2013, 23:16

Driver offers for the first seat
Michael Schumacher/10 million/Lead driver (3 years)
Mika Hakkinen/7.5 million/Lead driver (3 years)
Rubens Barrichello/4 million/Equal status (2 years)
Heinz-Harald Frentzen/4 million/Equal status (2 years)
Giancarlo Fisichella/3.5 million/Equal status (2 years)

Driver offers for the second seat (Frentzen will be equal status regardless; the rest will also be equal status unless either Hakkinen or Schumacher is signed)
Heinz-Harald Frentzen/3 million (2 years)
Jenson Button/500k
Giancarlo Fisichella/2.5 million
Nick Heidfeld/500k
Jean Alesi/1 million

Test driver offers
Scott Dixon/300k
Olivier Panis/1 million

I'd also be interested to see what kind of sponsorship the above drivers would be able to bring, if possible.

Post by **Ataxia** » 27 Oct 2013, 23:25

Benetton's Plans:'

We plan on giving our race drivers equal status; it's important we get as many points as possible on the board.

We'd like to retain Giancarlo Fisichella, and we hope a £5m contract offer on a two-year deal will curry his favour. To partner him, we will issue bids for the following drivers:

Heinz-Harald Frentzen (2 years) - £5m
Olivier Panis (1 year, possible 1 year extension if he does well) - £4m
Mika Salo (1 year, possible 1 year extension if he does well) - £3m
Nick Heidfeld (2 years) - £2.5m

For our official reserve driver, we'll promote young talent. So, we'd like to extend our offers to...

Fernando Alonso (1 year) - £1m
Sébastien Bourdais (1 year) - £1m
Mark Webber (1 year) - £1m

Rated · Post by **Rated** » 28 Oct 2013, 00:10

It will be a difficult season for Prost-Peugeot, but here we go.

Driver 1
Jean Alesi - (1m) Lead driver - 1 year
Giancarlo Fisichella - (2.5m) Lead driver - 1 year
Olivier Panis - (750k) Lead driver - 1 year

Driver 2
Giancarlo Fisichella - (2m) Equal status - 1 year
Jarno Trulli - (1.5m) Equal status - 2 years
Alexander Wurz - (750k) Second driver - 1 year
Nick Heidfeld - (750k) Second driver - 2 years
Pedro de la Rosa - (500k and could he bring in some sponsors?) Second driver - 1 year
Pedro Diniz - (We would like to know how much money he could give us) Second driver - 1 year

Test driver
Jonathan Cochet - (250k) 1 year
Sebastien Bourdais - (250k) 1 year
Stéphane Sarrazin - (250k) 1 year

The following drivers are also considered for the test drive seat, I would like to know how much money they could bring to the team.
Esteban Tuero
Toranosuke Takagi
Shinji Nakano
Gaston Mazzacane
Laurent Redon
Christijan Albers
Tarso Marques

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 28 Oct 2013, 00:20

ARROWS PLANS:

Here we go, we'll probably get the worst deal going at this, but ho hum

Driver 1:
Juan-Pablo Montoya: £6.5m
David Coulthard: £5.5m
Heinz-Harlad Frentzen: £5m
Olivier Panis: £4m
Jean Alesi: £3m

Driver 2:
If we land Montoya, then the following offers apply:
Jos Verstappen: £1m
Luciano Burti £0.5 m
Marc Gene: £0.5m

If we dont land Montoya, then the following offers apply:
Pedro de la Rosa: £2 m
Jos Verstappen: £1.5 m
Pedro Diniz: £1m (Any sponsors?)
Luciano Burti £0.5 m (Any sponsors?)
Marc Gene: £0.5m (Any sponsors?)
Toranosuke Takagi: £0.25 (Any sponsors?)

Test Drivers: (All are required to bring sponsorship)
Gaston Mazzacane: 1p, and a choice of either a ham and cheese or a cheese and ham sandwich.
Noberto Fontana: 50p, a box of tic tacs and a front row seat at a Westlife concert.
Stéphane Sarrazin: Fame. And a snickers
Christijan Albers: Classes in how to spell Christian
Tarso MarquesL £0.23m. Also, is it just me who reads it as 'Torso Marques'?
Nigel Mansell: £0.1 m, plus cheese puffs and a new golf jumper.
Shinji Nakano: 100 quid
Ricardo Rosset: A half eaten box of pasta found in the back of the motorhome.

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 28 Oct 2013, 01:25

Having had a quick skim through the list, here is a quick list of how much a driver will bring

Ricardo Zonta- 2m (couldn't find evidence of personal sponsorship on his BAR, but I'd imagine some shady Brazilian business man would give him some wonga)
Pedro de la Rosa- 6m of lovely shiny Repsol money
Pedro Diniz- 8m of Parmalat and various other companies
Esteban Tuero- 2m (various piecemeal deals)
Toranosuke Takagi- 5m of PIAA's frankly misguided cash
Shinji Nakano- 2m of scraped together funds
Gaston Mazzacane- 5m from PSN
Laurent Redon- 1m gained from playing an accordion on the streets of Paris, with a small cardboard sign saying "I'm English, give me money and I'll go back home"
Christijan Albers- 2m from various Dutch companies (the JVC sponsorship didn't turn up til later apparently)
Tarso Marques- 5m of PSN money (yes, he wasn't sponsored by them in real life, but I'm a creature of whim.)
Luciano Burti- 3m of various seedy South American druglords money
Marc Gene- 5m of Telefonica cash

Salamander and pasta, I'll have a look at the rest of your possible money men at a more convenient time (i.e. not half one in the morning)

Post by **kevinbotz** » 28 Oct 2013, 04:34

Minardi Driver Arrangements, 2000

Driver A: Pedro de la Rosa (Repsol sponsorship)
Alt. Driver A: Mark Webber (No salary)
Alt. Driver A: Nick Heidfeld (No salary)
Alt. Driver A: Fernando Alonso (1 million in sponsorship)

Driver B: Mark Gene (Telefonica sponsorship)
Alt. Driver B: Pedro Diniz (Parmalat sponsorship)
Alt. Driver B: Felipe Massa (2 million in sponsorship)
Alt. Driver B: Bruno Junqueira (2 million in sponsorship)

Test Driver Contracts
Test Driver A: Fernando Alonso (500k in sponsorship)
Test Driver B: Felipe Massa (750k in sponsorship)
Alt. Test Driver: Gaston Mazzacane (1 million in sponsorship)
Alt. Test Driver: Kimi Raikkonen (300k in sponsorship)

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 28 Oct 2013, 06:55

Unfurtunally i was too slow to secure a place on the grid...so i would like to state that i will run an engine supplier once you implemented this!

pycku · Post by **pycku** » 28 Oct 2013, 07:58

May I join the waiting list?

Collieafc · Post by **Collieafc** » 28 Oct 2013, 09:00

DRIVER 1 - in order of preference. Whoever gets this has clear number 1 status
Ralf Schumacher - 4.5m for 2 years with an option for another 2 years
Fisichella - 4m for 2 years
Alesi - 2m for 2 years
Panis - 2m for 2 years

DRIVER 2 - Again in order of preference
Pedro de la Rosa- (6m) 2 years
Diniz - with all his Pamalat millions (8 million) 2 years
Christijan Albers- (2m) 1 year
Shinji Nakano - (2m) 1 year
Heidfelt - 1m for 2 years
Panis - 2m for 2 years

Test/3rd Driver
Raikkonnen - 0.5m for 1 year
Alonso - 0.5m for 1 year
Webber - 0.5m for 1 year

andrew · Post by **andrew** » 28 Oct 2013, 09:12

Driver 1
Ferando Alonso (4.5 mill)
Jaques Villineuve (4.1mill)

Driver 2
Kimi Raikkonen (2 mill)
Nick Heidfeld (1mill)

Testers
Marc Gene
Chrisjian Albers
Ricardo Zonta

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 28 Oct 2013, 09:22

roblomas52 wrote:Driver 1: Mika Hakkinen (7.5m)
Driver 2: Michael Schumacher (11m)
Both driver are to be given equal status
If that fails…

Johnny Herbert (4m)
Eddie Irvine (4m)
Jean Alesi (4m)

Test driver 1: Pedro De La Rosa (6m sponsorship money)
Test driver 2: Fernando Alonso (800k)

andrew wrote:Driver 1
Ferando Alonso (4.5 mill)
Jaques Villineuve (4.1mill)

Driver 2
Kimi Raikkonen (2 mill)
Nick Heidfeld (1mill)

Testers
Marc Gene
Chrisjian Albers
Ricardo Zonta

Maybe steamrolling everyone in FC is for the greater good after all...

Seeing stuff like this would make my job there much easier for a start

andrew · Post by **andrew** » 28 Oct 2013, 09:27

Wizzie wrote:
roblomas52 wrote:Driver 1: Mika Hakkinen (7.5m)
Driver 2: Michael Schumacher (11m)
Both driver are to be given equal status
If that fails…

Johnny Herbert (4m)
Eddie Irvine (4m)
Jean Alesi (4m)

Test driver 1: Pedro De La Rosa (6m sponsorship money)
Test driver 2: Fernando Alonso (800k)

andrew wrote:Driver 1
Ferando Alonso (4.5 mill)
Jaques Villineuve (4.1mill)

Driver 2
Kimi Raikkonen (2 mill)
Nick Heidfeld (1mill)

Testers
Marc Gene
Chrisjian Albers
Ricardo Zonta

Maybe steamrolling everyone in FC is for the greater good after all...

Seeing stuff like this would make my job there much easier for a start

say what

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 28 Oct 2013, 09:36

andrew wrote:say what

Okay, picture this if you will. The year is 2000, and fresh from their thrashing in 1999, BAT and Honda have gone with new management to bring them success. Said management decides to try and hire an 18 year old Spaniad who has done one year of car racing in Formula Nissan, and a 20 year old Finn who has done a grand total of 13 open-wheeler races. And between those two drives, management decides to spend over 6 million dollars, which is over 20% of the year's budget.

Yeah, seems legit.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 28 Oct 2013, 09:40

Jaguar's 2000 Plans

Driver 1 bid: Whoever gets this spot gets Lead Driver Status
Jean Alesi 4.5m
Rubens Barrichello 3.5m
Jos Verstappen 3.5m
Mika Salo 3m

Driver 2 Bid: Number 2 Status
Marc Gene 2m and 5m sponsorship
Enrique Bernoldi 1.5m
Alan Mcnish 1.5m
Ricardo Zonta 1m plus 2m in sponsorship

Test Drivers
Gaston Mazzacane 0.4 million plus his sponsorship
Antonio Pizzonia 0.5 million
Luca Badoer 0.4 million

andrew · Post by **andrew** » 28 Oct 2013, 09:58

Wizzie wrote:
andrew wrote:say what

Okay, picture this if you will. The year is 2000, and fresh from their thrashing in 1999, BAT and Honda have gone with new management to bring them success. Said management decides to try and hire an 18 year old Spaniad who has done one year of car racing in Formula Nissan, and a 20 year old Finn who has done a grand total of 13 open-wheeler races. And between those two drives, management decides to spend over 6 million dollars, which is over 20% of the year's budget.

Yeah, seems legit.

Ok, changing the salary may be a good idea then

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 28 Oct 2013, 10:10

andrew wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
andrew wrote:say what

Okay, picture this if you will. The year is 2000, and fresh from their thrashing in 1999, BAT and Honda have gone with new management to bring them success. Said management decides to try and hire an 18 year old Spaniad who has done one year of car racing in Formula Nissan, and a 20 year old Finn who has done a grand total of 13 open-wheeler races. And between those two drives, management decides to spend over 6 million dollars, which is over 20% of the year's budget.

Yeah, seems legit.

Ok, changing the salary may be a good idea then

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 28 Oct 2013, 10:48

Ferrari Bids

Driver 1 - Number 1

David Coulthard -£8M
Mika Hakkinen - £10M
Eddie Irivine - £7M

Driver 2 - Number 2

Jenson Button - 1.5M
Mika Salo - 1.5M

Test Driver

Luca Badoer - 900K
Marc Gene - 500K

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 28 Oct 2013, 12:15

Wizzie wrote:
roblomas52 wrote:Driver 1: Mika Hakkinen (7.5m)
Driver 2: Michael Schumacher (11m)
Both driver are to be given equal status
If that fails…

Johnny Herbert (4m)
Eddie Irvine (4m)
Jean Alesi (4m)

Test driver 1: Pedro De La Rosa (6m sponsorship money)
Test driver 2: Fernando Alonso (800k)

Maybe steamrolling everyone in FC is for the greater good after all...

Seeing stuff like this would make my job there much easier for a start

Williams is a team that demands victories so therefore the team need the best drivers.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 28 Oct 2013, 12:21

roblomas52 wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
roblomas52 wrote:Driver 1: Mika Hakkinen (7.5m)
Driver 2: Michael Schumacher (11m)
Both driver are to be given equal status
If that fails…

Johnny Herbert (4m)
Eddie Irvine (4m)
Jean Alesi (4m)

Test driver 1: Pedro De La Rosa (6m sponsorship money)
Test driver 2: Fernando Alonso (800k)

Maybe steamrolling everyone in FC is for the greater good after all...

Seeing stuff like this would make my job there much easier for a start

Williams is a team that demands victories so therefore the team need the best drivers.

So you're blowing half your budget on two drivers that may respect each other but won't get along in a team that's notoriously bad with driver management, a car that's no match for the Ferrari or the McLaren, and with an engine that's barely seen a track let alone been races? Loving the logic there, champ.

Those backup choices are absolutely stellar as well. You should be commended for your efforts.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 28 Oct 2013, 12:24

Wizzie wrote:
roblomas52 wrote:
Wizzie wrote:Maybe steamrolling everyone in FC is for the greater good after all...

Seeing stuff like this would make my job there much easier for a start

Williams is a team that demands victories so therefore the team need the best drivers.

So you're blowing half your budget on two drivers that may respect each other but won't get along in a team that's notoriously bad with driver management, a car that's no match for the Ferrari or the McLaren, and with an engine that's barely seen a track let alone been races? Loving the logic there, champ.

Those backup choices are absolutely stellar as well. You should be commended for your efforts.

Your not forgetting this is an alternative season Wizzie? Where Takagi will do whatever he wants in it?

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 28 Oct 2013, 12:30

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
roblomas52 wrote:Williams is a team that demands victories so therefore the team need the best drivers.

So you're blowing half your budget on two drivers that may respect each other but won't get along in a team that's notoriously bad with driver management, a car that's no match for the Ferrari or the McLaren, and with an engine that's barely seen a track let alone been races? Loving the logic there, champ.

Those backup choices are absolutely stellar as well. You should be commended for your efforts.

Your not forgetting this is an alternative season Wizzie? Where Takagi will do whatever he wants in it?

Which means he could just as easily make the BMW engine a handgrenade for the lulz, no?

And even if the cars are based on their real life 2000 counterparts, which I suspect it is, no driver on earth can make up a second deficit from the Williams to the Ferraris and McLarens. Might as well go for two solid hands like Ralf Schumacher and Fisichella who can do a solid job for a fraction of the cost and save the rest of the money for development.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 28 Oct 2013, 12:40

Wizzie wrote:And even if the cars are based on their real life 2000 counterparts, which I suspect it is, no driver on earth can make up a second deficit from the Williams to the Ferraris and McLarens. Might as well go for two solid hands like Ralf Schumacher and Fisichella who can do a solid job for a fraction of the cost and save the rest of the money for development.

Forget it man, just let them bankrupt themselves out of sheer incompetence. When 2000 sees McLaren steamroll everyone because we're the only team anywhere near the front with a sensible driver lineup, then they might get the picture.