ESPNF1 stealing from F1Rejects?

[LionZoo]

I would just like to bring to the attention of the authors of this website that lately, ESPNF1 (formerly F1-Live) has been writing about little known F1 drivers. While it's all good and well that Reject drivers get a little more exposure, I suspect much, or perhaps all, of their research comes from F1Rejects. For example, their latest article, on Slim Borgudd, can be found here: http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/6511.html Compare that to F1Rejects' write up (linked here for convenience: http://www.f1rejects.com/drivers/borgudd/biography.html) and while no sentence was actually lifted out Rejects' website, it very much appears to me that the ESPNF1 writer simply used the grade school trick of paraphrasing entire sentences and paragraphs. The layout of the write up is also suspiciously similar to the Rejects write up, with mention of ABBA and Slim's musical history first, how his musical connections brought him into racing second, his racing history third, and his post-F1 racing history at the end.

[shinji]

How much can you write about Slim Borgudd? I doubt it's stolen.

Though maybe ESPN got 'inspiration' from Jenoch,

[LionZoo]

How much can you write about Slim Borgudd? I doubt it's stolen.

Though maybe ESPN got 'inspiration' from Jenoch,

It's actually a long article, especially by internet standards. Read it and compare it to the Rejects article. It's suspiciously similar in format and quoted facts.

[eytl]

As much as the conspiracy theorist in me believes that the main source of info has been our profile, and as much as the lawyer in me would like to take action, there's not much more that can be said and done.

Our profiles are cobbled together from publicly available information on the internet. The copyright we hold is not over the information, but over the way in which we have compiled the information into an article. So the only time we could start getting narky is if someone has lifted our profile word for word.

I wouldn't be surprised if the main source has been our article. I mean, if you wanted to do some write-ups for little-known F1 drivers, and you stumbled upon F1 Rejects, wouldn't you use it as a veritable goldmine of information rather than sourcing all the same bits of info from 25 other websites? I know I would ...

It wouldn't be the first time, either. Elsewhere on this forum there was a thread about the F1 Racing article which did short write-ups about Pease, Lavaggi, Inoue, Stuppacher and Ide. Apart from the fact we haven't profiled Yuji, the coincidence of the other four being drivers we have profiled did pique my interest. Especially since the section on Pease referred to his own recollections of what happened in the 1967 Canadian GP. As far as I know, the only source of that can be F1 Rejects, because our (then) roving correspondent Stephen Slater (no, not the commentator on Asian TV) interviewed him. I don't know of anywhere else on the net that would be able to quote from Al himself.

Likewise, a few years back Auto Action magazine (a weekly motorsport news publication here in Australia) had a regular column where the writer was suggesting, instead of Grand Prix Masters, how about in effect a losers series - and the suggested drivers he came up with were, without exception, drivers we had profiled, and the reasons given for why they would be good inclusions were also the notable anecdotes we had included in our articles. I have next to no doubt where the author's inspiration came from.

While it is frustrating that F1 Rejects gets no mention at all (we have no right to ask for anything, but a reference or a link to our site would be nice, if only to increase our exposure!), we just have to treat it as a feather in our cap. If I come across publications that I think have used F1 Rejects as their primary source for an article, I tend to buy it, if only so that in the future I can show my kids and say, "You see this article? They got their info from something your daddy wrote."

[thehemogoblin]

Enoch Yan-Tak Lawsuit!

[Waris]

Enoch Yan-Tak Lawsuit!

Forgive me, but I Lawled extremely hard.

[Yannick]

It seems that the same voluntary work posted on the internet that is said (by whom actually?) to have dropped the paper media into a sales crisis is being copied and reprinted with no credit whatsoever by said media, as a measure to remain relevant on the market.

Question One: Why not read the original right away?

Question Two: Might journalism turn into an enthusiast's hobby exclusively during the next generation, because so many people do it for free?

[DemocalypseNow]

Question Two: Might journalism turn into an enthusiast's hobby exclusively during the next generation, because so many people do it for free?

If it is I am utterly screwed. It's the only thing I even have the slightest ability at (if any) and if people are expecting me to work for free I'll have to find myself a nice little carboard box to live in.

[thehemogoblin]

Question Two: Might journalism turn into an enthusiast's hobby exclusively during the next generation, because so many people do it for free?

If it is I am utterly screwed. It's the only thing I even have the slightest ability at (if any) and if people are expecting me to work for free I'll have to find myself a nice little carboard box to live in.

There's a reason I'm in a group on Facebook entitled "I picked a major a like and I don't care if I life in a box someday."

I too shall be screwed if this happens.

[Phoenix]

Question Two: Might journalism turn into an enthusiast's hobby exclusively during the next generation, because so many people do it for free?

If it is I am utterly screwed. It's the only thing I even have the slightest ability at (if any) and if people are expecting me to work for free I'll have to find myself a nice little carboard box to live in.

There's a reason I'm in a group on Facebook entitled "I picked a major a like and I don't care if I life in a box someday."

I too shall be screwed if this happens.

One of my friends says, he'll marry a rich lady to get his life solved
As a journo wannabe as well, I wouldn't like that as well. If that happens, I could do two things: get a degree in tourism and work as the director of a hotel like my father used to do, or start a racing career that could make myself a profiled person in this page

[LionZoo]

If it is I am utterly screwed. It's the only thing I even have the slightest ability at (if any) and if people are expecting me to work for free I'll have to find myself a nice little carboard box to live in.

There's a reason I'm in a group on Facebook entitled "I picked a major a like and I don't care if I life in a box someday."

I too shall be screwed if this happens.

One of my friends says, he'll marry a rich lady to get his life solved
As a journo wannabe as well, I wouldn't like that as well. If that happens, I could do two things: get a degree in tourism and work as the director of a hotel like my father used to do, or start a racing career that could make myself a profiled person in this page

Or live in Mr. Bigshot Lawyer eytl's basement...

[Phoenix]

One of my friends says, he'll marry a rich lady to get his life solved
As a journo wannabe as well, I wouldn't like that as well. If that happens, I could do two things: get a degree in tourism and work as the director of a hotel like my father used to do, or start a racing career that could make myself a profiled person in this page

Or live in Mr. Bigshot Lawyer eytl's basement...

Is dinning included in the pack?

[LionZoo]

One of my friends says, he'll marry a rich lady to get his life solved
As a journo wannabe as well, I wouldn't like that as well. If that happens, I could do two things: get a degree in tourism and work as the director of a hotel like my father used to do, or start a racing career that could make myself a profiled person in this page

Or live in Mr. Bigshot Lawyer eytl's basement...

Is dinning included in the pack?

Only if you're a RejectsBoard moderator.

[Phoenix]

Is dinning included in the pack?

Only if you're a RejectsBoard moderator.

Oh...well, I'm quite moderate at times

[eytl]

More evidence perhaps that ESPNF1 has been using F1 Rejects as inspiration?

http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/8178.html

[captainhappy]

Saw that this morining, starting to feel a little defensive about our turf. It calls for a david vs goliath battle, but watch out for that damn slingshot rejects!

[Myrvold]

But there is a lot worse drivers than Esteban Tuero!!

[thehemogoblin]

But there is a lot worse drivers than Esteban Tuero!!

But there's a profile on the site that was probably used.

[eytl]

Likewise, a few years back Auto Action magazine (a weekly motorsport news publication here in Australia) had a regular column where the writer was suggesting, instead of Grand Prix Masters, how about in effect a losers series - and the suggested drivers he came up with were, without exception, drivers we had profiled, and the reasons given for why they would be good inclusions were also the notable anecdotes we had included in our articles. I have next to no doubt where the author's inspiration came from.

For those of you wanting to get defensive, I found this article - from Auto Action 1-7 Feb 2006:

[DemocalypseNow]

Those b*stards stole Formula Rejects from me!

[dr-baker]

I said I was browsing some old threads, and I found one that I was looking for...

BLATENT PLAGERISM!!! Although they do at least acknowledge F1 Rejects at the end... And all I was trying to do was see if Google knew what Deletraz was doing...

For those of you wanting to get defensive, I found this article - from Auto Action 1-7 Feb 2006:

An article written by The Rev Pastor, the Spanish polesitter?

[Klon]

They don't even mention Pedro Chaves. I am disappointed.

[dinizintheoven]

Ditto Claudio Langes, who has one more DNPQ to his name.