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Hermann95 wrote:How will you simulate the races?


Spreadsheet run, ultimately in a style similar to how tommykl runs his series.

I feel this way is the best, as it allows a lot more customisation in running, you can bring in team orders for example. You want a driver to take out another one? If they are running together on track, I can make it happen. You want your B driver to get out of the way of the A driver, I can make it happen.
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Hermann95 wrote:How will you simulate the races?


Spreadsheet run, ultimately in a style similar to how tommykl runs his series.

I feel this way is the best, as it allows a lot more customisation in running, you can bring in team orders for example. You want a driver to take out another one? If they are running together on track, I can make it happen. You want your B driver to get out of the way of the A driver, I can make it happen.


Cool, did you created the spreedsheet on your own?
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JLD will put $71 800 into experimenting with hydrogen fuel cells. For now, it will only be for the third JLD car, but if the experiments prove successful, we will implement the system on all three cars and offer it to customer teams as the "JLD-HFCE-1". We believe Hydrogen is the way of the future, and getting an early start is essential if we are to be successful in the future.
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Shadaza wrote:With just Aeroracing to confirm their drivers, I will now release the upgrade details. This is the very last step before we start.

Chassis rules: As these cars are tube frame, you can slightly modify the car shape. This will give a small performance bonus or disadvantage that will vary from Circuit to circuit.

To modify the body shape, you must make a one off cost of 10,000 per Car, you must also name the new car shape. Currently the car is known as the FC1, you can rename the new chassis whatever you want.


Engine Rules: You guys voted that you can customise the engines. Here you can spend any amount of cash you would like on engine development with the more money spent the more likely you increase car performance. I will report how successful attempts were.
You can also sell engines to other teams as an extra source of income, at any price you can negotiate.

Here is an example of the Chassis and Engine rules:

Spending 20,000 to modify two cars from FC1's too "Example Car" and spending 150,000 on engine development to make the "Power Engine"
you learn that the engine development has yielded a good increase in power and are willing to improve other teams engines.

You now have 2, "Example Car - Power Engine"s and at the cost of "40,000" are prepared to transform other teams engines into "Power Engines"

Any questions?


I think that since there has been so much developement of this series, I think that its important that each and every choice that has been decided should be posted either on this thread's front post or on a separate thread. That way its much easier to find and relearn the rules and to make it easier for newcomers to the series to learn the rules compared to trying to sift through all the comments of this already large thread.
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Equipe Gauthier will spend £58,000 on developing a carbon-fibre version of the present engine, along the lines of the Polimotor as described here (entry 2.8.13)
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Shadaza wrote:With just Aeroracing to confirm their drivers, I will now release the upgrade details. This is the very last step before we start.

Chassis rules: As these cars are tube frame, you can slightly modify the car shape. This will give a small performance bonus or disadvantage that will vary from Circuit to circuit.

To modify the body shape, you must make a one off cost of 10,000 per Car, you must also name the new car shape. Currently the car is known as the FC1, you can rename the new chassis whatever you want.


Engine Rules: You guys voted that you can customise the engines. Here you can spend any amount of cash you would like on engine development with the more money spent the more likely you increase car performance. I will report how successful attempts were.
You can also sell engines to other teams as an extra source of income, at any price you can negotiate.

Here is an example of the Chassis and Engine rules:

Spending 20,000 to modify two cars from FC1's too "Example Car" and spending 150,000 on engine development to make the "Power Engine"
you learn that the engine development has yielded a good increase in power and are willing to improve other teams engines.

You now have 2, "Example Car - Power Engine"s and at the cost of "40,000" are prepared to transform other teams engines into "Power Engines"

Any questions?


I think that since there has been so much developement of this series, I think that its important that each and every choice that has been decided should be posted either on this thread's front post or on a separate thread. That way its much easier to find and relearn the rules and to make it easier for newcomers to the series to learn the rules compared to trying to sift through all the comments of this already large thread.


I will post the upgrade rules on the 2nd post, I have tried to put all the important information there.

Wizzie wrote:JLD will put $71 800 into experimenting with hydrogen fuel cells. For now, it will only be for the third JLD car, but if the experiments prove successful, we will implement the system on all three cars and offer it to customer teams as the "JLD-HFCE-1". We believe Hydrogen is the way of the future, and getting an early start is essential if we are to be successful in the future.


Though the engine and cars are yet to run, the early signs are that the Hydrogen "JLD-HFCE-1" is a good, if not spectacular, step forward in engine power.

Salamander wrote:Equipe Gauthier will spend £58,000 on developing a carbon-fibre version of the present engine, along the lines of the Polimotor as described here (entry 2.8.13)


Carbon Fibre has proven a tricky material and unfortunately despite the expense, no progress has been made.
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Auricom will pay $20,000 to make their car better aerodynamically, by making them look like this, with anti-gravity hull-plating.

As part of this large upgrade, Auricom will introduce anti-gravity engines powered by dilithium crystals. They will spend $97,400 on the finest (er, cheapest) scientists on earth to develop this anti-gravity drive.
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Stramala wrote:Auricom will pay $20,000 to make their car better aerodynamically, by making them look like this, with anti-gravity hull-plating.

As part of this large upgrade, Auricom will introduce anti-gravity engines powered by dilithium crystals. They will spend $97,400 on the finest (er, cheapest) scientists on earth to develop this anti-gravity drive.


There appears to be nothing against antigravity in the rulebook, or dillithium crystals and your cost effective scientists have build a good engine. Not quite full antigravity, but a decent power boost nonetheless.

(OC, the actual technology for the engine upgrade isn't the important bit, the RNG is weighted by the money only.)
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Shadaza wrote:
Wizzie wrote:JLD will put $71 800 into experimenting with hydrogen fuel cells. For now, it will only be for the third JLD car, but if the experiments prove successful, we will implement the system on all three cars and offer it to customer teams as the "JLD-HFCE-1". We believe Hydrogen is the way of the future, and getting an early start is essential if we are to be successful in the future.


Though the engine and cars are yet to run, the early signs are that the Hydrogen "JLD-HFCE-1" is a good, if not spectacular, step forward in engine power.


Ah, excellent. We'll put into production for customer teams to purchase for $35 000 in order to further develop this cutting-edge technology.
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Auricom, given it's sector-leading R&D capabilities into the pioneering technology of anti-gravity in motorsport, will sell it's truly cutting-edge technology (not that fuel-cell garbage that JLD are trying to pawn off as new) to customers for 125,000. You will not find a higher-spec upgrade package than this.

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Shadaza wrote:Chassis rules: As these cars are tube frame, you can slightly modify the car shape. This will give a small performance bonus or disadvantage that will vary from Circuit to circuit.

To modify the body shape, you must make a one off cost of 10,000 per Car, you must also name the new car shape. Currently the car is known as the FC1, you can rename the new chassis whatever you want.


How do the chassis changes work? Do we get to choose how we are modifying the shape or is it just random?

If we get to choose, do we have any options available as to what characteristics of the car we are attempting to improve?
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Empire wish to purchase the JLD-HFCE-1,as well as developing an advanced aero package complete with a DRS-style rear wing to increase speed and a high downforce front splitter to make sure the car remains fast through turns. The amount of money going into this package will be $28,001.
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Sanka will pay 1500 for better aerodynamics
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Pegasus will spend £10,000 on modifying the body. The chassis will henceforth be designated the PCG-001.

We will also spend £70,000 on enlisting Cosworth to develop our engines; we hope this will be a fruitful partnership.
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WaffleCat wrote:as well as developing an advanced aero package complete with a DRS-style rear wing to increase speed and a high downforce front splitter to make sure the car remains fast through turns. The amount of money going into this package will be $28,001.


andrew wrote:Sanka will pay 1500 for better aerodynamics


No, you can only modify the tube frame body shape at the fixed cost of 10k per car. I did give the option for aerodynamic modifications but the teams voted for engine development instead.

WaffleCat wrote:Empire wish to purchase the JLD-HFCE-1

If you wish to buy 2 that comes to 70,000, going by JLD's price of 35k per engine.

Ataxia wrote:Pegasus will spend £10,000 on modifying the body. The chassis will henceforth be designated the PCG-001.

We will also spend £70,000 on enlisting Cosworth to develop our engines; we hope this will be a fruitful partnership.


The experts of Cosworth have done a great job with the engine and have managed to take quite a leap forward.
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AustralianStig wrote:
Shadaza wrote:Chassis rules: As these cars are tube frame, you can slightly modify the car shape. This will give a small performance bonus or disadvantage that will vary from Circuit to circuit.

To modify the body shape, you must make a one off cost of 10,000 per Car, you must also name the new car shape. Currently the car is known as the FC1, you can rename the new chassis whatever you want.


How do the chassis changes work? Do we get to choose how we are modifying the shape or is it just random?

If we get to choose, do we have any options available as to what characteristics of the car we are attempting to improve?


In terms of performance, it is random, either a slight performance bonus or disadvantage that varies from course to course. For future seasons, I will allow added depth, but for the first I would like to keep things simple.

And for those wondering what the car is like:

The base, Formula Community Ace take's its inspiration from the Brazilian Stock Car championship.
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Underneath the car, it is a series of tubes, similar to this:
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The bodyshape can be changed slightly, but this does not mean you can include massive front wings, or complicated aeroparts.
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VRT will invest 20.000 in the bodywork, thinking in a variable system (Circuit for downforce + Aero for top speed without the aid of DRS). As for the engine, with 80.000 we want Honda as partner to produce a powerful environmental-Ethanol turbo engine with an integrated booster. BTW, the car will be known as the VFX-01.

Stramala wrote:Auricom will pay $20,000 to make their car better aerodynamically, by making them look like this, with anti-gravity hull-plating.

As part of this large upgrade, Auricom will introduce anti-gravity engines powered by dilithium crystals. They will spend $97,400 on the finest (er, cheapest) scientists on earth to develop this anti-gravity drive.


Isn't againsts the rules made the car float? The tire manufacturers could sue Auricom for interfering in the buisness
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Shadaza wrote:
WaffleCat wrote:as well as developing an advanced aero package complete with a DRS-style rear wing to increase speed and a high downforce front splitter to make sure the car remains fast through turns. The amount of money going into this package will be $28,001.


No, you can only modify the tube frame body shape at the fixed cost of 10k per car. I did give the option for aerodynamic modifications but the teams voted for engine development instead.


My bad. Empire will modify the tube-frame body for 20k,10k for each car,introducing aerodynamic....doors.To assist in reducing drag along the sides while attempting to maximize downforce in whatever other area possible. The new car will be the EMP-01

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WaffleCat wrote:Empire wish to purchase the JLD-HFCE-1

If you wish to buy 2 that comes to 70,000, going by JLD's price of 35k per engine.


Empire plan to fit the HFCE-1 in only one car,with that car to run on-road races.

In the other,off road car,Empire plan to develop their own engine,investing 13k into developing a Wankel-esque Rotary engine.
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WaffleCat wrote:
Shadaza wrote:
WaffleCat wrote:Empire wish to purchase the JLD-HFCE-1

If you wish to buy 2 that comes to 70,000, going by JLD's price of 35k per engine.


Empire plan to fit the HFCE-1 in only one car,with that car to run on-road races.

In the other,off road car,Empire plan to develop their own engine,investing 13k into developing a Wankel-esque Rotary engine.


Wouldn't be more economically sensible to just have both cars running full-time with a paydriver in the second car?
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Rob Lomas Racing would like to spend £25,000 on developing an underwing and would like to try and strike a deal with Judd for usage of there 4.2L V10

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Techcraft will modify their car to make it more coupe-ish and will invest in a Honda-developed engines. :)

EDIT: 100k on engines.
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At this point the Australian Racing Academy would like to modify the chassis of both vehicles, they will have the designation of Grit-01.

We are also hoping to strike a deal with another team in regards to engine supply - seems the market is flooded at the moment so give us your best price, people.
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AustralianStig wrote:At this point the Australian Racing Academy would like to modify the chassis of both vehicles, they will have the designation of Grit-01.

We are also hoping to strike a deal with another team in regards to engine supply - seems the market is flooded at the moment so give us your best price, people.


JLD offers their Hydrogen Fuel Cell Engine for $35k each. :D
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LRT is highly interested in purchasing custom engines!
We are interested in a deal if the engine don't cost more than 15k per car! Otherwise we will stick with the standard engine and hope they don't suck :lol:
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Ataxia wrote:We will also spend £70,000 on enlisting Cosworth to develop our engines; we hope this will be a fruitful partnership.


The Australian Racing Academy are hoping to come to an agreement with Pegasus and Cosworth. We will match your initial investment of 70k to further invest in the engine if Pegasus are willing to give the engine to us for free and split future sales 60:40 with us. As the engine will likely be the best in the series we will be fielding plenty of interest so the deal will be extremely beneficial to both teams. We are happy for Pegasus to remain the controlling party and set whatever price they like for the engine for customer teams.
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Outterridge will throw 60,000 at Renault to make our engines better.
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Great British Racing will spend £60,000 in partnership with Mercedes-Benz on developing a version of their 2014 1.6 turbo f1 engine to run in the series which will be available for other teams to buy for £10k per engine
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roblomas52 wrote:Rob Lomas Racing would like to spend £25,000 on developing an underwing and would like to try and strike a deal with Judd for usage of there 4.2L V10

Thanks

i forgot to mention in that post, could the cars be made to look more like hatchbacks insted of saloons please A.K.A Mercedes A45 AMG style with carbon Fibre bodies.

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**EDITED**

Blokkmonsta will invest 50,000 in partnership with Subaru to develop a new turbo system, one that uses two smaller turbos in a sequential system, one for low RPMs and one for high RPMs in order to curb Turbo lag while still getting a notable power boost.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_turbo#Sequential_turbos

We also invest 20,000 to strip the chassis to use as few parts as possible while still being within regulation in order to save weight. This process will involve taking out unecessary portions of the framework and swapping out as much of the steel with carbon fiber as we can.

The new car shall be called the "Blokkmonsta AS01" And the engine shall be the "BM-Subaru BM01TT".
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SeedStriker wrote:VRT will invest 20.000 in the bodywork, thinking in a variable system (Circuit for downforce + Aero for top speed without the aid of DRS). As for the engine, with 80.000 we want Honda as partner to produce a powerful environmental-Ethanol turbo engine with an integrated booster. BTW, the car will be known as the VFX-01.


The Honda turbo is a decent mark up from the Ace engine, a good but not great step.

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Empire plan to fit the HFCE-1 in only one car,with that car to run on-road races.

In the other,off road car,Empire plan to develop their own engine,investing 13k into developing a Wankel-esque Rotary engine.


Ok, does that mean you only plan on entering 1 car per race event? Either way, the work on the Rotary engine is inconclusive for now.

FMecha wrote:Techcraft will modify their car to make it more coupe-ish and will invest in a Honda-developed engines. :)

EDIT: 100k on engines.


Another Honda project, this one isn't holding back on expenses and it shows, the engine is very good, though Honda claim there is still more to find.
That is a total cost of 110,000. Also you will need to name the car, for now I will have it badged as Techcraft-Honda.

AustralianStig wrote:At this point the Australian Racing Academy would like to modify the chassis of both vehicles, they will have the designation of Grit-01.

We are also hoping to strike a deal with another team in regards to engine supply - seems the market is flooded at the moment so give us your best price, people.

Okay.

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Ataxia wrote:We will also spend £70,000 on enlisting Cosworth to develop our engines; we hope this will be a fruitful partnership.


The Australian Racing Academy are hoping to come to an agreement with Pegasus and Cosworth. We will match your initial investment of 70k to further invest in the engine if Pegasus are willing to give the engine to us for free and split future sales 60:40 with us. As the engine will likely be the best in the series we will be fielding plenty of interest so the deal will be extremely beneficial to both teams. We are happy for Pegasus to remain the controlling party and set whatever price they like for the engine for customer teams.


I will wait to see what Pegasus have to say, but this kind of deal is perfectly legal.

UgncreativeUsergname wrote:Outterridge will throw 60,000 at Renault to make our engines better.

The Renault engineers return the engine claiming a step forward, but it's hard to see if they actually done anything at all with the engine.

peteroli34 wrote:Great British Racing will spend £60,000 in partnership with Mercedes-Benz on developing a version of their 2014 1.6 turbo f1 engine to run in the series which will be available for other teams to buy for £10k per engine


Mercedes used some of their F1 knowledge to help improve the engine, and they have managed to make the package much more efficient, if not much faster. Overall a decent step.

CaptainGetz12 wrote:**EDITED**

Blokkmonsta will invest 50,000 in partnership with Subaru to develop a new turbo system, one that uses two smaller turbos in a sequential system, one for low RPMs and one for high RPMs in order to curb Turbo lag while still getting a notable power boost.

We also invest 20,000 to strip the chassis to use as few parts as possible while still being within regulation in order to save weight. This process will involve taking out unecessary portions of the framework and swapping out as much of the steel with carbon fiber as we can.

The new car shall be called the "Blokkmonsta AS01" And the engine shall be the "BM-Subaru BM01TT".


The new Subaru engine looked great, unfortunately it caught fire as soon as it hit the dyno. Subaru claim they need more development work, critical failure.
For now you are stuck with the Ace engine. (RNG can be cruel, sorry Captain.)
On the plus side, you only have the 1 car so chassis work costs 10k not 20.
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JLD will make a new offer for its HFCE-1 engines. If you buy two engines, we will sell them to you for $60k for the lot, which is an almost 15% saving on list price :D
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Tassie Racing would like to spend 70,000 at BMW to see if they can develop our engines. Hopefully this will be the start of a partnership.

We have also trying to invest 30,000 into our chassis into trying to improve our aerodynamics without losing too much speed. We will call it the T01
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Actually,scrap what we said about having one car for off-road and one car for on-road. Empire will enter two cars for each race event,with main driver Simona Binaschi in the HFCE-1 engined car and Artem Fedorin in the Rotary Engine car.
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Autosport wrote:Loyer Racing still searching for Engines!
Thomas Loyer(CEO,LRT) stated in an interview that LRT is still searching for an engine deal for this season. He meantioned Great British Racing, owner of the Mecedes-Benz engine, a few times which could mean that they are very close to a deal. Cost efficiency is the most important thing for LRT, Loyer said. LRT won't spend more than 15k on one engine in order to stay within the budget. This are some interesting news from the Formula Comunity!
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Pegasus will be happy to create an engine partnership with Australian Racing Academy.
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Hermann95 wrote:
Autosport wrote:Loyer Racing still searching for Engines!
Thomas Loyer(CEO,LRT) stated in an interview that LRT is still searching for an engine deal for this season. He meantioned Great British Racing, owner of the Mecedes-Benz engine, a few times which could mean that they are very close to a deal. Cost efficiency is the most important thing for LRT, Loyer said. LRT won't spend more than 15k on one engine in order to stay within the budget. This are some interesting news from the Formula Comunity!
Stay tuned!



Great British Racing will be happy to do a deal fro engines with LRT

Any Money made from the sale of our engines will go back into its development
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Ataxia wrote:Pegasus will be happy to create an engine partnership with Australian Racing Academy.


Excellent! Therefore ARA are investing 70k into Pegasus' already upgraded engine.
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HawkAussie wrote:Tassie Racing would like to spend 70,000 at BMW to see if they can develop our engines. Hopefully this will be the start of a partnership.

We have also trying to invest 30,000 into our chassis into trying to improve our aerodynamics without losing too much speed. We will call it the T01

It is only 20,000 in chassis design (a fixed price.)

BMW have delivered the engine and the early signs are excellent, it may be up there with the best.

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Ataxia wrote:Pegasus will be happy to create an engine partnership with Australian Racing Academy.


Excellent! Therefore ARA are investing 70k into Pegasus' already upgraded engine.


The more advanced an engine, the less likely it is to be upgraded, but with 70k to play with even further steps have been made with the Cosworth, it should now be the engine to beat going into the season!
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JLD will put a further $35 000 into engine upgrades, in order to keep up with the competition.
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