Community Racing Series(CRS) - voting results

Wallio · Post by **Wallio** » 06 Mar 2014, 18:07

Hermann95 wrote:
@Wallio: Reading the original Formula Community thread may help you because this is pretty similar to it.

Started it today on lunch, I had no idea it was so big (22 pages!). Got to say though, it seems the overall attitude was much less friendly than this version. I did notice though that a team could abstain from voting for a particular item without a strike if they declared their intention to do so, is that still an aoption? (Just for future knowledge).

Hermann95 wrote:
This is the decision. We are going to race Touring Cars.

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Next will be the bidding over the Firenze shares:
They had 4.11% shares. Every team can now bid for additional shares but be aware the shares will be split up by the money you invested. The more you invest the more you'll get from the shares.

While we are sad that drag racing didn't win, their is much potential in a touring car series.........provided we do not limit the engines.

Riccetti Competition bids 30k for the Firenze shares.

CaptainGetz12 · Post by **CaptainGetz12** » 06 Mar 2014, 18:46

Wallio wrote:
While we are sad that drag racing didn't win, their is much potential in a touring car series.........provided we do not limit the engines.

Riccetti Competition bids 30k for the Firenze shares.

We at Blokkmonsta do not agree and think that there should be at least some regulation for the engines.

As participants of Formula Community (FC), we noticed very quickly that JLD motorsport's engines quickly rose to prominence with a hydrogen-powered engine, which we believe killed competition when at really mattered (getting the series off of the ground).

As a team who does not want the series to collapse in the first event, we reccomend that we have engine regulations to keep the competition pretty even for as long as possible.

However, we would like some engine development in order to attract engine manufacters and designers. An American Market would probably prefer big V8s, but there should be room for turbos and maybe hybrid engines as well.

We felt like the previous series was far too radical for entry-level budget, so we would rather play conservative and try to attract audiences through good old competition, and not fall into "promoting the show" like F1 and NASCAR are prone to do.

(Also, on a personal note, can we please not have anti-matter engines or stuff that in no way should be feasible in 2014? I would like some realism in this series thank you very much :lol:

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Wallio · Post by **Wallio** » 06 Mar 2014, 19:21

CaptainGetz12 wrote:
Wallio wrote:
While we are sad that drag racing didn't win, their is much potential in a touring car series.........provided we do not limit the engines.

Riccetti Competition bids 30k for the Firenze shares.

We at Blokkmonsta do not agree and think that there should be at least some regulation for the engines.

As participants of Formula Community (FC), we noticed very quickly that JLD motorsport's engines quickly rose to prominence with a hydrogen-powered engine, which we believe killed competition when at really mattered (getting the series off of the ground).

As a team who does not want the series to collapse in the first event, we reccomend that we have engine regulations to keep the competition pretty even for as long as possible.

However, we would like some engine development in order to attract engine manufacters and designers. An American Market would probably prefer big V8s, but there should be room for turbos and maybe hybrid engines as well.

We felt like the previous series was far too radical for entry-level budget, so we would rather play conservative and try to attract audiences through good old competition, and not fall into "promoting the show" like F1 and NASCAR are prone to do.

(Also, on a personal note, can we please not have anti-matter engines or stuff that in no way should be feasible in 2014? I would like some realism in this series thank you very much )

Your concerns are of course valid. Perhaps we should clarify. We believe the following would be a good spec as it would allow much diversity and would let the teams develop their own motors a bit:

N/A Engines: 6.0L Displacement limit, no other restrictions.
Turbo Engines: 2.25L Displacement Limit, Limit to 1 Turbo, Maximum 6 cylinders, 17,500rpm limit, 2bar boost limit.
Supercharged Engines: 3L Displacement Limit, Maximum 8 cylinders, 15,000rpm limit, 3bar boost limit.
N/A Diesel Engines: 8L Displacement Limit, no other restrictions.
Turbo Diesel: 4L Displacement Limit, 3bar boost limit, Limit two turbochargers, 3bar boost limit.

Fuel must be petroleum based and have a max octane rating of 110RON. Nitrous oxide (sadly) prohibited. Engine must be one of the above listed types. Engine must last an entire race weekend. Turbines, rotaries, two-strokes prohibited.

This is just a guideline of course, but would draw people in!

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 06 Mar 2014, 19:37

RobLomasRacing will bid 32.5K on the shares.

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 06 Mar 2014, 20:27

Abstaining from voting is possible if you stated it before/during the vote(otherwise you'll get a strike)

A general note on engines:
Realism is important! So there won't be any technologies like anti matter or anything other else which is unrealistic.

Engine development In my opinion there should be some development BUT there should also be some "hard-coded" limits like f.e. a maximum of X hp or a certain amount of fuel consumption in order to keep the costs a bit lower. Nevertheless there will be a voting on this and you guys will have to decide.

At least at the beginning, the rules should be stady in order to keep costs down. A drastical change of rules every year would cost way to much so we have to decide wisely on the rule settings.

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Btw. the next rule discusion will be on more in-depth touring car rules:
A) MARC GTC Platform(huge variety of bodies and engines possible)
B) S2000 cars(old but proofen rulebook)
C) Multi Class(2 different rule sets)
D) Silhouette Cars(same as used in the original FC)
E) Unmodified Production cars
F) something else?

Wallio · Post by **Wallio** » 06 Mar 2014, 20:58

While we know the voting isn't open yet, Riccetti Competition believe a multi-class series can be the best of both worlds. Fun and fast in Tier 1, and cheap and cheerful in Tier 2. It would also allow us to experiment a bit.

So if voting were open, we'd go like this:

1.)Multi-Class (on the condition we can run both classes)
2.)MARC GTC
3.)Silouette Cars

CaptainGetz12 · Post by **CaptainGetz12** » 06 Mar 2014, 21:21

Blokkmonsta still supports having the GTCs as first priority, but any series that allows the cars to be rebadged is good for the series, as it allows it attract sponsorhips and car manufacter with crucial ad space without having to rely too much on directly buying cars from them (see NASCAR)

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 06 Mar 2014, 21:23

RobLomasRacing votes...

1) Something else (NGTC)
2)Silhouette cars
3)Marc GTC

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 06 Mar 2014, 21:33

Gauthier votes:

1. MARC GTC
2. Multi Class
3. Silhouette

Wallio · Post by **Wallio** » 06 Mar 2014, 21:36

Sort of Off-Topic: After finally finishing the whole F:C original threads, I would like to request that we get to pick our car numbers, and not have them assigned by qualifying. Wayyy down the road I know, but just a thought.

V8fan12 · Post by **V8fan12** » 06 Mar 2014, 21:44

Team New Zealand would support the MARC GTC platform as we believe that this will be the best idea for the series.

However, we are open to the idea of Multi Classes.

EDIT: Are votes open?

In that case:

1. MARC GTC
2. Multi Classes
3. Silhouette Cars

Post by **kevinbotz** » 06 Mar 2014, 21:55

Commonwealth votes:

1. MARC GTC
2. Multi-class
3. Silhouette

AustralianStig · Post by **AustralianStig** » 06 Mar 2014, 23:24

I don't believe voting is open yet.

When does bidding on the Firenze shares close?

tristan1117 · Post by **tristan1117** » 07 Mar 2014, 01:51

Bamboo would like to put up 15k for the Firenze shares.

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 07 Mar 2014, 05:20

AustralianStig wrote:I don't believe voting is open yet.

When does bidding on the Firenze shares close?

You'll have time until saturday 8th march 16.00 CET.
Btw. Voting is not open yet!

HawkAussie · Post by **HawkAussie** » 07 Mar 2014, 06:11

Tassie Racing honestly do not care about the car choice so we are going to abstain this voting round.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 07 Mar 2014, 11:40

Équipe Bernard Leclercq will bid 20k for the Firenze shares.

MrMasaTasa · Post by **MrMasaTasa** » 07 Mar 2014, 15:10

Motorsport racing bids 20k.

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 10 Mar 2014, 18:54

Share bidding

Riccetti Competition invested 30k$: +1.05%
Rob Lomas Racing invested 32.5k$: +1.14%
Bamboo Grand Prix invested 15k$: +0.52%
Équipe Bernard Leclercq invested 20k$: +0.7%
Motorsport Racing invested 20k$: +0.7%

Wallio · Post by **Wallio** » 11 Mar 2014, 15:13

Hermann95 wrote:Share bidding

Riccetti Competition invested 30k$: +1.05%

(In Best Mr. Burns Voice:) Excellent!

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 13 Mar 2014, 21:37

What are we going to race(part2)?
A) MARC GTC Platform(huge variety of bodies and engines possible)
B) S2000 cars(old but proofen rulebook)
C) Multi Class(2 different rule sets)
D) Silhouette Cars(same as used in the original FC)
E) Unmodified Production cars

Voting is open now. 48 hours from now as usual.

HawkAussie · Post by **HawkAussie** » 13 Mar 2014, 21:48

I don't care what we race, so I will absitan from the vote for this round

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 13 Mar 2014, 22:00

Outterridge vote D, B, A.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 13 Mar 2014, 22:02

Équipe Bernard Leclercq votes:

1. MARC GTC
2. Multi Class
3. S2000 cars

V8fan12 · Post by **V8fan12** » 13 Mar 2014, 22:13

Team New Zealand votes:
1. A
2. D
3. C

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 13 Mar 2014, 22:36

1)D
2)A
3)Abstain

That is what Rob Lomas Racing thinks.

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 14 Mar 2014, 00:39

C)
Abstain
Abstain

CaptainGetz12 · Post by **CaptainGetz12** » 14 Mar 2014, 02:26

1) MARC GTC
2) S2000
3) Silhouette

tristan1117 · Post by **tristan1117** » 14 Mar 2014, 02:39

Bamboo Votes
1. D
2. A

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 14 Mar 2014, 03:05

JLD Motorsport votes:

1. A
2. B
3. D

FMecha · Post by **FMecha** » 14 Mar 2014, 08:03

Unity votes for options D, with C and A as spare options

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 14 Mar 2014, 09:21

Gauthier votes

1. A
2. C
3. D

AustralianStig · Post by **AustralianStig** » 14 Mar 2014, 10:46

Wizzie wrote:JLD Motorsport votes:

1. A
2. B
3. D

Ditto for ARA.

Wallio · Post by **Wallio** » 14 Mar 2014, 12:00

Riccetti Competition votes for:

1.)Multi-Class (on the condition we can run both classes)
2.)MARC GTC
3.)Silouette Cars

MrMasaTasa · Post by **MrMasaTasa** » 14 Mar 2014, 12:42

AustralianStig wrote:
Wizzie wrote:JLD Motorsport votes:

1. A
2. B
3. D

Ditto for ARA.

And, also for Motorsport.

Post by **Ataxia** » 14 Mar 2014, 14:10

Pegasus abstain from voting.

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 14 Mar 2014, 19:50

GB Racing

1) MARC GTC
2) Silhouette
3) S2000

Post by **kevinbotz** » 15 Mar 2014, 21:37

Commonwealth votes:

1. A
2. C
3. D

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 16 Mar 2014, 08:39

Voting result

18 teams voted. Pasta will get a strike because he didn't vote.

What are we going to race(part2)?
A) MARC GTC Platform(huge variety of bodies and engines possible) 40.63%
B) S2000 cars(old but proofen rulebook) 0%
C) Multi Class(2 different rule sets) 18.29%
D) Silhouette Cars(same as used in the original FC) 26.71%
E) Unmodified Production cars 0%
Abstainers: 10.27%

Options B C and E are out.
El Cartel Suramérica will abstain now.(Abstainers: 19.3%)
Riccetti Competition's second choice: MARC GTC(now 49.89%)

now we have a winner, option A. Together with the abstainers option A is far over 50% and no other option could claim the win.

The price for a single MARC GTC platform(without engine) will be between 90000$ and 100000$. Price will be set a bit later.

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The next thing to discuss are more in-depth engine regulations.
Here are a few things to discuss:
Is engine modification allowed?
If yes, where do wit set the limits?(power,fuel consumption, engine type)
if the aboth is discussed, which engines will be allowed/raced?

CaptainGetz12 · Post by **CaptainGetz12** » 16 Mar 2014, 16:39

Hermann95 wrote:The next thing to discuss are more in-depth engine regulations.
Here are a few things to discuss:
Is engine modification allowed?
If yes, where do wit set the limits?(power,fuel consumption, engine type)
if the aboth is discussed, which engines will be allowed/raced?

Blokkmonsta's views:

[i] We prefer more strict regulations for engines, but we would also like to see different engie types later on should more people not opt for V8s.

[ii] For above, we would want a power cap and fuel cap, and we shouldnt do anything that puts this already impressive chassis to the limit. We would say that the cars should not go past the 500 HP range as the standard GTC does, and fuel consumption should stay around the same specs as well.

[iii] This is an American-based series, and as cliche as it may sound, Only big V8s seem to be what attracts attention for closed wheel racing here. We could allow room for more expensive turbos and may go for the occasional V10 or even V12, but for us the V8s seem to be the most cost-effective and market-friendly option.